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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2024, 07:02:01 PM »
The B1G has a depth problem.  Even with more programs than the SEC.  Doesn't seem to matter.  It's always OSU and UM.  Nobody else.  Ever.  Since Penn State went undefeated (and won nothing) in 1994, and then going back to WWII, the B1G has jack squat for depth.
Hell, even Oregon hasn't won shit.  Got close.  Lotsa money.  No natties.  Warshington won one, 32 years ago.  

But they have USC now.  A down USC, but it's still USC.  They've won stuff.  That add actually makes sense.  
I wonder if it'll help with the depth.  

If the same 2 guys are battling for the top of the mountain and everyone else is dicking around at the base camp, that's kind of lame.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2024, 07:14:55 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 27, 2024, 06:48:45 PM
What you need to do right here is go ahead and hitch this idear to the debate on anudder thread about wins and losses mattering, SOS be damned or some such nonsense.

I am utterly flabbergasted that you'd post this and lecture me elsewhere about how ranking teams by number of losses isn't a vapid, childish idea. 

Jesus fucking Christ.
I posted about this in that thread too. You told me that helmet team fans will just not accept a world in which they don't have an automatic 9+ wins every year. Thus they need the pastries to pad their egos.

I presume the future CFB "utopia" will be a very selective league where the riff-raff are kept out and playoff inclusion is mathematical (like the NFL) based on record. And where you might just get into a playoff at 8-4 or 7-5 but where every single one of those wins was earned, not just a foregone conclusion because you're playing Northeast Southwest Alabama State Technical College (or Vandy).
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2024, 08:35:34 PM »
Maybe 
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2024, 08:47:57 PM »
Tennessee, Nebraska and the Gators are sufficient pastries for a blue blood conference. 
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2024, 10:53:05 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on February 27, 2024, 07:14:55 PM
I posted about this in that thread too. You told me that helmet team fans will just not accept a world in which they don't have an automatic 9+ wins every year. Thus they need the pastries to pad their egos.

I presume the future CFB "utopia" will be a very selective league where the riff-raff are kept out and playoff inclusion is mathematical (like the NFL) based on record. And where you might just get into a playoff at 8-4 or 7-5 but where every single one of those wins was earned, not just a foregone conclusion because you're playing Northeast Southwest Alabama State Technical College (or Vandy).
On what planet and in what epoch has any collection of voters ever shown the tact or even willingness to do so?!?
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2024, 11:26:15 PM »
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #104 on: February 28, 2024, 07:01:24 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 27, 2024, 06:54:07 PM
I’m under no impression any of them care about academics. But, if you had to grade the athletes at all conferences, it would not surprise me if the SEC had the “dumbest” and the B1G/PAC had the smartest. Ohio State aligns with the SEC WRT academics.

And, Cardale wasn’t wrong.
Not even close.

OSU is a very good school. Been an AAU member since 1916.

From the AAU site:


The Ohio State University | Association of American Universities (AAU)
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2024, 07:04:04 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 27, 2024, 07:02:01 PM
The B1G has a depth problem.  Even with more programs than the SEC.  Doesn't seem to matter.  It's always OSU and UM.  Nobody else.  Ever.  Since Penn State went undefeated (and won nothing) in 1994, and then going back to WWII, the B1G has jack squat for depth.
Hell, even Oregon hasn't won shit.  Got close.  Lotsa money.  No natties.  Warshington won one, 32 years ago. 

But they have USC now.  A down USC, but it's still USC.  They've won stuff.  That add actually makes sense. 
I wonder if it'll help with the depth. 

If the same 2 guys are battling for the top of the mountain and everyone else is dicking around at the base camp, that's kind of lame.
Before it was unfortunately MNC or bust (which apparently you like??), the B1G was very deep. Look at the Rose Bowl participants from 1991 through 2013.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #106 on: February 28, 2024, 07:32:28 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2024, 07:01:24 AM
Not even close.

OSU is a very good school. Been an AAU member since 1916.

From the AAU site:


The Ohio State University | Association of American Universities (AAU)

I understand that Ohio St has a very good academic reputation. 

I always thought OSU had a reputation for its athletes being dumber than the stereotypical jock. 
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #107 on: February 28, 2024, 07:37:21 AM »
The AAU thing is of course a measure of graduate programs.  A school can be very good and not be AAU though it's unusual to have the reverse.

I'd rank schools based on the average SAT (etc.) of the incoming classes.  At least it's a metric, not an opinion.

I don't put too much stock in "rankings" obviously, there are several for colleges around, and sometimes folks quip about one being #33 say and another being #50, which might well be splitting hairs.

I can't imagine how anyone can differentiate between #80 and #140.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #108 on: February 28, 2024, 08:10:26 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on February 28, 2024, 07:32:28 AM
I understand that Ohio St has a very good academic reputation.

I always thought OSU had a reputation for its athletes being dumber than the stereotypical jock.
They cleaned that up quite a bit, but like most schools, admissions are relaxed for athletes.

The toughest in the B1G for athletes are Illinois, Northwestern and my school.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #109 on: February 28, 2024, 08:11:30 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 28, 2024, 07:37:21 AM
The AAU thing is of course a measure of graduate programs.  A school can be very good and not be AAU though it's unusual to have the reverse.

I'd rank schools based on the average SAT (etc.) of the incoming classes.  At least it's a metric, not an opinion.

I don't put too much stock in "rankings" obviously, there are several for colleges around, and sometimes folks quip about one being #33 say and another being #50, which might well be splitting hairs.

I can't imagine how anyone can differentiate between #80 and #140.
You can't do that with so many schools no longer requiring testing.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #110 on: February 28, 2024, 08:12:47 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2024, 07:04:04 AM
Before it was unfortunately MNC or bust (which apparently you like??), the B1G was very deep. Look at the Rose Bowl participants from 1991 through 2013.
be cause they had some silly rule
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #111 on: February 28, 2024, 08:14:14 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2024, 08:11:30 AM
You can't do that with so many schools no longer requiring testing.
we have an entire thread devoted to rankings and how meaningless they are
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