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Topic: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2024, 02:45:00 PM »
If you somehow drop the current "Vandys" from BB schedules, do you not generate more Vandys as an eventuality?  A lot of programs are pretty far ahead of Vandy, but they still are no generally competitive with the elite group of teams.  In this terrible new world, does Minnesota and Iowa get left out?  Florida?  Miss State?

Hard to say, but the elite teams won't be playing elite opponents 12 times a year, they might play four, and then eight near pastries.  So, 10-2 would be a pretty great record for them.  I dunno, hate to see it really.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2024, 03:13:57 PM »
If you somehow drop the current "Vandys" from BB schedules, do you not generate more Vandys as an eventuality?  A lot of programs are pretty far ahead of Vandy, but they still are no generally competitive with the elite group of teams.  In this terrible new world, does Minnesota and Iowa get left out?  Florida?  Miss State?

Hard to say, but the elite teams won't be playing elite opponents 12 times a year, they might play four, and then eight near pastries.  So, 10-2 would be a pretty great record for them.  I dunno, hate to see it really.
Purdue and Vandy are only still major conference schools because major conferences don't kick schools out. Major conferences shed poor schools when the rich schools from those conferences leave (USC->B1G / UTA/OU->SEC). 

What I'm saying is that the power schools of the B1G and SEC will leave their conferences to form something new, and they won't take the Purdue/Vandy schools or even the Minnesota/Iowa schools with them if they don't have to. They'll figure out where the cutoff needs to be. Let's say it's 32 schools. 

And then, no, they will NOT schedule 8 pastries a year. Because that's just diluting the money. They'll play that schedules ONLY between those 32 schools. Those teams that are included will have enough recruiting ability to never become a "Vandy", because they're part of the big boy conference. Just as Vandy may "only" be Vandy, but they're never going to become Georgia Southern because they're still part of the SEC... For now. 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2024, 04:08:36 PM »
I think you'd have to look at the past 30 or so years for performance, as to who makes the cut.

Who has played in the BCS bowls and NYD6 bowls/playoffs.

I'd think Iowa and my school would make the cut, and get beat up a lot, of course.

What to do with Nebraska? Could you really leave them out? Been a rough 20+ years. Tennessee?



Obviously, you're not taking Boise and Appy, etc.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2024, 04:30:58 PM »
What to do with Nebraska? Could you really leave them out? Been a rough 20+ years. Tennessee?
Remember... The more you basically create a league that is designed for parity, and is very limited in number of teams, the more that parity becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. ESPECIALLY if you have some sort of unionization/CBA/contracts involved where the idea of "recruiting" becomes a completely different thing than what we've seen for the last 100 years of CFB.

Nebraska is basically Green Bay. Historical power but in a small market with poor demographics for football. Yet... Green Bay gets players through a draft and free agency. Nebraska gets players through traditional recruiting. So Green Bay does just fine in the NFL, whereas Nebraska is trading on old name power because trying to convince 17 year olds from anywhere else in the country to go spend 4 years in Lincoln is a difficult sell. 

Keep the number of teams small enough, and they'll end up with the best players. If you knock out Purdue and Indiana, kid X who maybe would have gone to those schools when they were B1G programs (and wouldn't have wanted to go to Ball State) might say "hey, Nebraska ain't so bad", right? 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2024, 06:27:45 PM »
Snipping off one end of the bell curve will simply, in time, become a new bell curve. 

A Clemson or a Penn State or an LSU will become the new Vandy. 
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2024, 06:35:46 PM »
Snipping off one end of the bell curve will simply, in time, become a new bell curve. 

A Clemson or a Penn State or an LSU will become the new Vandy. 
Hey, in any league you've gotta have the Cleveland Browns. 

But with everything that exists in the NFL to improve parity, you know that if a team perennially sucks, it's due to incompetence. It can be fixed with better management. 

If anything similar occurs in CFB, a Clemson or PSU or LSU might become a Vandy for a little while, but they're not consigned to an eternal Vandy future like, well, Vandy. Hell, the Detroit fking Lions made the NFC Championship Game this year! Vandy ain't doing that, but a Clemson or PSU or LSU after a decade of down years could do that if they make the right changes. 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2024, 09:12:49 PM »
Explain that to their alumni and fans.  I'm sure they'll respond well to the lowered expectations.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2024, 09:26:25 PM »
Explain that to their alumni and fans.  I'm sure they'll respond well to the lowered expectations.
Again, you claim their alumni and fans have such fragile egos that they're incapable of understanding that 8-4 against a tough schedule is better than 11-1 when you play 9 cupcakes. 

*YOU* are the one claiming they need to feast on cupcakes because bad wins are important to their psyche. 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2024, 09:46:11 PM »
Yes.  
And again, I'm amazed at any blowback on it.

Alumni and fans who are accustomed to a certain position amid the totem pole of college football suddenly drop to the bottom and are going to act rationally and maturely?

Mkay.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2024, 09:47:07 PM »
Again, you claim their alumni and fans have such fragile egos that they're incapable of understanding that 8-4 against a tough schedule is better than 11-1 when you play 9 cupcakes.
If expert committee members aren't capable, why on earth would alumni and fans be?
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #136 on: February 29, 2024, 09:30:58 PM »
I think you'd have to look at the past 30 or so years for performance, as to who makes the cut.

Who has played in the BCS bowls and NYD6 bowls/playoffs.

I'd think Iowa and my school would make the cut, and get beat up a lot, of course.

What to do with Nebraska? Could you really leave them out? Been a rough 20+ years. Tennessee?
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #137 on: March 01, 2024, 07:28:12 AM »
Yeah, sometimes "we" forget the $$$$ angle.  That does correlate with winning, but we see outliers of course over some periods of time.

Any helmetish team is in.

 

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