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Topic: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk

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utee94

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2024, 04:21:58 PM »
I don't follow rankings very closely at all, but you and I both know that the main reason why Texas recruiting sucked during that time was because, well, the team sucked.  The last few years of Mack Brown, then Charlie Strong (your version of Fran), and then Tom Herman pretty much put the nail in the lid.  But I do think that Texas recruited well during that time.  You just had bad coaching.  I'd venture to guess that Texas never fell out of the top 20, and probably not even the top 10 in recruiting during most of the 2009-2021 period, and certainly never behind anyone other than OU, and still let Baylor, TCU, and even Kansas outplay you during much of that time. 

OU was in the Big 12 during those same years and seemed to recruit and play pretty well on the field, even coming close to knocking off a few SEC teams in the playoffs.

I recall years ago when people were listing their favorite team other than their own, you listed Michigan.  I don't ever remember anybody that is a Texas fan on this board or in real life being any kind of fan of the SEC, but I do know lots of Aggie fans that were fans of the SEC before we joined including myself. 

Culturally, A&M was a fit in the SEC.  Your president and AD wanted to go to the PAC 10, it was reported.  I don't know how much truth there is to that, but we can both agree that A&M would never even think about going to the PAC 10, and any leader that even breathed as much would be shown the door. 

There is no more such thing as a regional conference, we know that.  Texas being the Big 10, with fellow members Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State doesn't seem too far fetched to me.  The Big 10 I think seems to be more of an elegant conference, if there is such a thing.  The SEC is a bunch of Brutes, brawn over beauty.  Big 10 (more Michigan than anybody else) will beat you with brains and strength, as Michigan just demonstrated. 

I think you're projecting some of your own personal desires onto the situation.  Suffice to say, Texas to the B1G would be extremely far-fetched.  If it weren't, then it already would have happened.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2024, 04:43:59 PM »
I think you're projecting some of your own personal desires onto the situation.  Suffice to say, Texas to the B1G would be extremely far-fetched.  If it weren't, then it already would have happened.
You were already in a conference with Nebraska and Iowa (State).  And Kansas, and Colorado. And I'm guessing that if Texas went North, so would OU.  I'm not certain why you think it's so absurd for someone else to think that Texas to the Big 10 made more sense.  As an outsider, it seems to be a reasonable position.  Texas seriously considered joining the Pac 10 (per reports from the era, not all Aggie biased), even if they eventually turned it down.  

You're now in a conference with South Carolina, 1,100 miles away. And Knoxville, 1,037 miles away.  Regionally, the SEC makes much more sense.  I do agree with that.  But I think Texas to the Big 10 adds much more value to each other than just another big program in the SEC.  The Big 10 is basically Ohio State and Michigan.  With Texas, it would be Ohio State, Michigan, and Texas.  

FWIW, I really don't like the current membership of the Big 10.  The far flung members, like Rutgers and Maryland, do nothing for the conference except spread it out.  I'm sure the people who pull the strings are happy about it, but at least the SEC makes sense from a regional standpoint, mostly.  


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2024, 04:46:59 PM »
One more thing to add, I'm not even sure any of it matters, because it seems apparent to me that it's all going to implode and conferences won't mean shit in the next decade.  We are headed to a smaller, upper tier league, which may or may not be affiliated with the NCAA, or maybe even the NFL.  These conferences arrangements are really just temporary.  So just enjoy things while they last, because it won't be long.  

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2024, 04:47:13 PM »
Big 10 (more Michigan than anybody else) will beat you with brains and strength, as Michigan just demonstrated. 
Yikes

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2024, 04:49:06 PM »
Yikes
My impression is that Big 10 cares more about academics, such as AAU membership, than other conferences.  

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #89 on: February 27, 2024, 04:54:24 PM »
You were already in a conference with Nebraska and Iowa (State).  And Kansas, and Colorado. And I'm guessing that if Texas went North, so would OU.  I'm not certain why you think it's so absurd for someone else to think that Texas to the Big 10 made more sense.  As an outsider, it seems to be a reasonable position.  Texas seriously considered joining the Pac 10 (per reports from the era, not all Aggie biased), even if they eventually turned it down. 

You're now in a conference with South Carolina, 1,100 miles away. And Knoxville, 1,037 miles away.  Regionally, the SEC makes much more sense.  I do agree with that.  But I think Texas to the Big 10 adds much more value to each other than just another big program in the SEC.  The Big 10 is basically Ohio State and Michigan.  With Texas, it would be Ohio State, Michigan, and Texas. 

FWIW, I really don't like the current membership of the Big 10.  The far flung members, like Rutgers and Maryland, do nothing for the conference except spread it out.  I'm sure the people who pull the strings are happy about it, but at least the SEC makes sense from a regional standpoint, mostly. 


Texas only ever considered joining the PAC when it thought it would need a soft landing spot if the B12 split up.  Then Fox and ESPN came through and made the B12 TV money close enough to the B1G and the SEC for the time being, that it stabilized the conference, and that was that.

Why wouldn't Texas have reached out to the B1G, then, under the same circumstances?  Because Texas was attempting to negotiate a landing spot for 6 teams, not just itself.  The B1G had no interest in that, but the PAC would have gladly done it to secure Texas, OU, and in the original round of negotiations, Texas A&M.  As you state, clearly A&M didn't really want that and preferred the SEC, and went out and made that happen all on its own.

There are certainly some academics at Texas who've long pushed for inclusion in the PAC or the B1G.  But they're called "athletic conferences" and not "academic conferences" for a reason.  Knowing that ultimately it was going to come down to the SEC and the B1G, then, for the purposes of "athletic conferences" -- the only real option for Texas and OU was going to be the SEC.  You point out all of the advantages of regionality, which is precisely why it works.  Your only tick on the positive side of the ledger for Texas to the B1G over the SEC is some antiquated notion of "culture" but that's really not important in the current landscape of athletic conference restructuring.  I've predicted since 2010 that Texas would join the SEC because I realized it was inevitable.  It's an athletic conference, we're playing football and basketball and baseball games against one another, not the Academic Decathlon.

Texas didn't want the B1G, and now that the B1G has teams from New Jersey all the way to LA, it's even more of a non-starter.  The PAC was always just as vulnerable as the B12 and the ACC, once the B1G and SEC moved into their endgames.  There was only ever one real choice for Texas.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2024, 04:57:21 PM »
Big 12 meetings update: Texas apparently has a 'Tech' problem | The Gazette
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2024, 05:01:02 PM »
One more thing to add, I'm not even sure any of it matters, because it seems apparent to me that it's all going to implode and conferences won't mean shit in the next decade.  We are headed to a smaller, upper tier league, which may or may not be affiliated with the NCAA, or maybe even the NFL.  These conferences arrangements are really just temporary.  So just enjoy things while they last, because it won't be long. 
Well I certainly agree that the current structure starting in the 2024 academic year, will only be a temporary one. 

I don't necessarily think some breakaway will occur because I think it's more likely the sport of football itself implodes before the next restructuring.  Too much pressure from injury, CTE, etc.  And it's coming from both ends-- fewer high school football players entering the market every year, and too much long-term injury being discovered in the pro ranks as well.  College football is getting squeezed from both ends and I don't think it will look much like its current self 10-15 years from now.

I believe The Powers That Be know and understand this, which is why they're willing to sell out all of college football's uniqueness, all of its tradition and history, for short term gains.  Because they know there IS NO long term future for the sport.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2024, 05:05:23 PM »
My impression is that Big 10 cares more about academics, such as AAU membership, than other conferences. 
Yes, I guess.  You just picked a weird example

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2024, 05:09:31 PM »
Yes, I guess.  You just picked a weird example
B1G flagship representative and the most consistent blueblood college football program of all time is Ohio State.  I'm not trying to offend our Buckeye friends, but nobody out there really thinks of tOSU as an elite university focused on academics over athletics.  Certainly, none of us have ever forgotten this gem:





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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2024, 05:09:41 PM »
We still need Vandy's on our schedules at times.
I still don't get this... Some of you are fans of literally the bluest of the blue blood schools in the country. 

Are the fans of these teams SO thin-skinned that if you don't have a steady stream of pastries to fatten up your win totals that it'll be a massive blow to your ego? 

Is it really better to go 10-2 when 8 of those wins are teams that should NEVER remotely threaten you compared to going 7-5 against a schedule of heavyweights? Especially when 7-5 in that scenario probably gets you into a playoff (as it would in the NFL)?

It seems like admitting that you need Vandy's on your schedule should be a mark of shame, not a badge of honor.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #95 on: February 27, 2024, 06:31:41 PM »
B1G flagship representative and the most consistent blueblood college football program of all time is Ohio State.  I'm not trying to offend our Buckeye friends, but nobody out there really thinks of tOSU as an elite university focused on academics over athletics.  Certainly, none of us have ever forgotten this gem:





Oh, no I agree, pretending like the football players are held to any sort of academic standards as the general student population is laughable, across the board.  I would say the only difference is a Bruce Pearl type probably wouldn't be palatable at a Big Ten school.  Beyond that, blah

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2024, 06:48:45 PM »
I still don't get this... Some of you are fans of literally the bluest of the blue blood schools in the country.

Are the fans of these teams SO thin-skinned that if you don't have a steady stream of pastries to fatten up your win totals that it'll be a massive blow to your ego?

Is it really better to go 10-2 when 8 of those wins are teams that should NEVER remotely threaten you compared to going 7-5 against a schedule of heavyweights? Especially when 7-5 in that scenario probably gets you into a playoff (as it would in the NFL)?

It seems like admitting that you need Vandy's on your schedule should be a mark of shame, not a badge of honor.
What you need to do right here is go ahead and hitch this idear to the debate on anudder thread about wins and losses mattering, SOS be damned or some such nonsense.

I am utterly flabbergasted that you'd post this and lecture me elsewhere about how ranking teams by number of losses isn't a vapid, childish idea.  

Jesus fucking Christ.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2024, 06:54:07 PM »
B1G flagship representative and the most consistent blueblood college football program of all time is Ohio State.  I'm not trying to offend our Buckeye friends, but nobody out there really thinks of tOSU as an elite university focused on academics over athletics.  Certainly, none of us have ever forgotten this gem:


I’m under no impression any of them care about academics. But, if you had to grade the athletes at all conferences, it would not surprise me if the SEC had the “dumbest” and the B1G/PAC had the smartest. Ohio State aligns with the SEC WRT academics. 

And, Cardale wasn’t wrong. 

 

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