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Topic: #9 Ohio State (8-1, 10-2) at Michigan (5-4, 8-4) Post Game

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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2017, 07:47:48 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 22, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
First of all that's a bad angle- because you can't even see the ball. All you see is his left hand. Doesn't matter where his left hand is. It matters where the football is. Show the pictures from the other angle and you'll see the ball. yellow made for tv line wasn't where he needed to get the first down. Often times that yellow line isn't accurate, just a best guesstimate by the televisions. Ball needed to get across the white line completely- the 15- for a first. He didn't get across the 15. His left hand/wrist did and touched the ground- meaning he's down- but his right hand carrying the call- well short of the 15. Probably close to a foot short. He didn't get it. Refs bungled it. It is what it is.

EDIT: As much as you want to blame the refs you can't. Michigan fumbled the ball on OSU's 2 yard line wiping away a probable 7 points for Michigan, and Speight threw a pick 6 and another pick that was essential a pick 6 because it gave OSU a first and goal and they punched the ball in a couple plays later. That's a 21 point swing right there. Can't turn it over 3 times and give the other team 14 points off of two pick 6's and expect to win.
It appears that the biggest issue here isn't homers thinking that it should have been called their team's way but rather a simple misunderstanding of the rule.  Mdot, your interpretation that I bolded/underlined is flat wrong.  Allow me to explain:

When considering a TD, remember that the goal line is INSIDE the end zone.  In determining whether or not a player has scored, the player only needs to get any part of the ball over the goal line.  

Thus, when OT begins, the ball is placed such that the nose of the ball (part closest to the end zone) it right at the side of the 25 yard line that is furthest from the goal line (ie, closer to the 26 rather than the 24).  

You are correct that the yellow line is often inaccurate but in this case it is also completely irrelevant.  This series of downs started with the portion of the ball closest to the end zone exactly at the portion of the 25 yard line furthest from the end zone.  Consequently, what Ohio State needed to do was to get any part of the ball over any part of the 15 yard line.  

By rule, an NCAA football is 10.5 - 11.5 inches in length.  I do not believe there is a rule as to yard-line width but I would say that they are at least 3".  

Thus, when you said that Barrett needed to get completely across the 15 yard line and that he was probably close to a foot short, you effectively admitted that he got the first down.  Your understanding of what Barrett needed was off by at least 13.5" (the minimum 10.5" length of the ball plus the at least 3" width of the 15 yard line.  If Barrett was a full foot short of what you thought he needed to get, then he got the first down.  
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2017, 07:52:01 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on November 24, 2017, 07:39:42 AM
Hey thanks!  We might make it there.  Is there any public transportation in Nashville?  I would hoof it but not sure my wife likes that idea.  But as long as we're buzzed maybe she won't notice
Uber is your friend in Nashville. Very cheap (compared to here). Check out Adele's for dinner if you can.
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2017, 10:15:47 AM »
If that's the place for our 2008 board meeting than that's a good one.  Our bill had to be over $1G for the group.   Waitress was a pro.
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2017, 10:40:03 AM »
Bloody Espn Classic is showing the 2011 game. 
The one loss that OSU has had in the series since 2003, and that's the one that the pick. 
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on November 24, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
If that's the place for our 2008 board meeting than that's a good one.  Our bill had to be over $1G for the group.   Waitress was a pro.
Yep, she was great. My invoice alone was $450, but I bought a ton of rounds. We had to have at least 20 people in there that day, if not more.
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #75 on: November 24, 2017, 10:49:52 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 24, 2017, 10:40:03 AM
Bloody Espn Classic is showing the 2011 game.
The one loss that OSU has had in the series since 2003, and that's the one that the pick.
I blame Harbaugh
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2017, 10:57:47 AM »
So if I have this right now, I guess 2007 was Lincoln? 2006 was Austin and the first one in 2005 was Madison. 2008 Nashville, 2009 Columbia, 2010 back in Madison. 2011 Fayetteville, 2012 Atlanta and 2013 Knoxville. Then crickets.

There needs to be a new startup on these things.

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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2017, 10:59:03 AM »
amen,  been to long for me

I started strong and then faded
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2017, 11:27:30 AM »
These screen captures show the placement of the ball at the beginning of each of the four OT possessions in last years game.

In each the ball is correctly placed at the far side of the 25 yard line. The closest (to the end zone) part of the ball is at the far (from the end zone) side of the 25 yard line.

Thus, the requirement to gain a first down is to get any part of the ball over any part of the 25 yard line.
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2017, 09:53:53 PM »
The teams are a combined 17-5, but ask fans of either and it's tough to think any are satisfied with the season they've had.  Ohio State had national title aspirations, and it would now take a minor miracle to even have a shot.  Michigan fans expected a rebuild season, but 9 wins still felt like a floor, hoping they could pull off an upset in one of their three showcase games.  Two in, and neither was particularly close.  But when Michigan was struggling in mediocrity in the mid-90s, they made their seasons by ruining Ohio State's.  They've had plenty of chances to do that again over the past decade, but haven't been able to.  First of all, Michigan needs a healthy Peters.  We've seen enough John O'Korn to know there's nothing there.  O'Korn has been given plenty of chances, and has proven he's not up to it.  So let's work with the caveat that Peters is starting.  Even with a healthy Peters, this is still an offense built around the running game.  They had been showing progress once the staff finally showed that they figured out what the rest of us had, that Higdon needed to be the focal point, with Evans as a scary change of pace.  Michigan's defense should be relatively up to the task against Ohio State's offense, but how relatively will that be.  Even the most optimistic Michigan fan knows they can't get into a shootout with the Buckeyes.  Nor do they think they can shut Ohio State down.  They need to make splash plays.  Sacks and turnovers.  You get Barrett in obvious passing downs, you have a shot.  Better yet, you turn him over.  What Michigan can do, that nobody else Ohio State has faced could, is generate pressure with four.  Ohio State makes you think you have to blitz them, and then kill you in one on one mismatches.  Michigan can get there with four.  Then it's on Don Brown to prove he's learned something from the Penn State game.  If he's worth his salt, he has.
MICHIGAN 28, OHIO STATE 27
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #80 on: November 24, 2017, 11:24:55 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 24, 2017, 10:57:47 AM
So if I have this right now, I guess 2007 was Lincoln? 2006 was Austin and the first one in 2005 was Madison. 2008 Nashville, 2009 Columbia, 2010 back in Madison. 2011 Fayetteville, 2012 Atlanta and 2013 Knoxville. Then crickets.

There needs to be a new startup on these things.

@eltigrerex  @GopherRock

Wake up and chime in here. It's been too long.
A list of CFN board meetings:
2004: Atlanta, SEC Champ, kind of an unofficial one
05: Madison
06: Fearless' Sharkwater party in Lincoln
07: Austin, Texas (my first one)
08 Nashville
I'll be in Nashville next weekend. If we swing by that bar, I'll check if the banshee Bammer is still there. 
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2017, 07:31:11 AM »
Quote from: ELA on November 24, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
 What Michigan can do, that nobody else Ohio State has faced could, is generate pressure with four.  Ohio State makes you think you have to blitz them, and then kill you in one on one mismatches.  Michigan can get there with four.  Then it's on Don Brown to prove he's learned something from the Penn State game.  If he's worth his salt, he has.
MICHIGAN 28, OHIO STATE 27
Bastage wouldn't surprise me though - if OKorn plays to his ceiling just one afternoon.Prolly what Jim is telling him.If I'm Schiano i'm turning the dogs loose don't over think it.Barret has had 3 big games and lost two of them this year.Brown has the blueprint should be a much tighter game than the pundits predict
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2017, 09:20:10 AM »
It's 9:20am. AND M*CH*G*N STILL SUCKS!
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Re: #9 Ohio State (7-1, 9-2) at Michigan (5-3, 8-3) Game Week
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2017, 09:31:41 AM »
12 outa 13?

soon to be 13 of the last 14

Go Bucks!
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