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Has been a very busy time the last few months for me, have not be able to post as much, but.......................MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS! 

Be nice to see DudeK & BamaBuck resurface this week

Yeah, this Century has gone a lot better for the Buckeyes than either of the last two by just about every metric, except number of losses. 

OSU only had one loss to Ttun in the 19th Century, but they also played only one game. 1897, the worst season in school history. 

Interestingly enough that was the only year that OSU didn't play Kenyon before joining the Big Ten, who was the primary rival in those days. 

• Ohio State won seven straight from 2004-2010 and they were the favorite and better team in all but 2004.  

call me crazy but I consider 2006 a bit of an upset. I really thought going into that game Michigan was the better team. It's not just revisionist history or me being a homer. I really thought Michigan had more quality upperclass NFL talent at the time. That team was absolutely loaded with 1st and 2nd round picks. LaMarr Woodley, Leon Hall, Alan Branch, David Harris, and Shawn Crable- that's 5 starters on the defense drafted 1st or 2nd. Then other starters like DT Terrance Taylor, LB Prescott Burgess and CB Morgan Trent were drafted late as well- Taylor in the 4th, Burgess in the 6th, and Trent in the 6th. 8 out of their starting 11 on D got drafted though. Then you had a couple rotational guys in the two deep get drafted down the road as well.

The Michigan defense just got completely punked by Troy Smith that day. They just did not have an answer for him that day. He dominated them and that's what won him that Heisman.

A well placed pick six, a punt return or punt block...a couple of offensive TDs.  Michigan can EASILY score more than 20.  
Plus, you may recall last year OSU had a hell of a time moving the ball on them.
I expect Michigan to run right at OSU and throw the kitchen sink in there. Screens, reverses, misdirection.
Ohio State better bring there "A" game on defense, and their mistake free offense.  
Don't fall into the trap of one team looking better on paper.   Not in this series.  

Oh I agree, I think the UM defense and special teams can make this a game. but I don't see the UM offense with Okorn scoring 20. the defense, kicking game could get one, Ohio State's special teams have been a mess most of the season.

Ohio State's offense has been sporadic as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a 17-10 type game going into the 4th quarter. but I think the Ohio State running attack with even a little bit of a passing game will be enough to score at worst 24. I just can't see UM getting there with Okorn. with Peters, sure, but not with Okorn.

believe me, I haven't forgotten the Cooper years.  I know being the favorite doesn't mean a whole lot in this game, especially if UM can grab an early lead it will most likely be a dog fight. but if UM falls behind early, allowing Ohio State to really pound the run game, I think it'll be enough to get the W.

When I recall OSUs last road game, a team not known for offense dropped 55 on them.
This will be a war.   That Michigan defense will be living in our backfield.

Judging from Coach Harbaugh's presser yesterday it does not sound like Peters will be back.  He did say that Speight practiced last week but was not cleared for contact and was waiting to hear if he'll be cleared this week, to paraphrase, so likely no Speight either.  I think O'Korn is Michigan's most elusive QB, ie. has the best quickness-survival-flight instinct combo, and may give Michigan the best chance to win which isn't much of a chance.  If O'Korn gets knocked out, you'll be looking at Malzone as the QB.  A better strategy might be to go wildcat with a RB and FB and the other 9 players all TEs or linemen.  I mean, what's the point of fielding WRs?  It kind of feels like it did in 2008 with Sheridan at QB but I think the OL was better then.

Go Blue!

call me crazy but I consider 2006 a bit of an upset. I really thought going into that game Michigan was the better team. It's not just revisionist history or me being a homer. I really thought Michigan had more quality upperclass NFL talent at the time. That team was absolutely loaded with 1st and 2nd round picks. LaMarr Woodley, Leon Hall, Alan Branch, David Harris, and Shawn Crable- that's 5 starters on the defense drafted 1st or 2nd. Then other starters like DT Terrance Taylor, LB Prescott Burgess and CB Morgan Trent were drafted late as well- Taylor in the 4th, Burgess in the 6th, and Trent in the 6th. 8 out of their starting 11 on D got drafted though. Then you had a couple rotational guys in the two deep get drafted down the road as well.

The Michigan defense just got completely punked by Troy Smith that day. They just did not have an answer for him that day. He dominated them and that's what won him that Heisman.

Ok, I think you are crazy.  
For one thing I wouldn't have called that an upset either way.  Both teams came into the game at 11-0/7-0 so whoever won was going to leave with a better record.  An upset in this series, at least in general to me, is defined as a game in which the winning team leaves the game with a worse conference record.  In 2006 Ohio State won and left the game 12-0/8-0.  Upsets:

• In 2004 Ohio State won and finished 4-4 while Michigan lost and finished 7-1
• In 2001 Ohio State won and finished 5-3 while Michigan lost and finished 6-2
• In 1996 Michigan won and finished 5-3 while Ohio State lost and finished 7-1
• In 1995 Michigan won and finished 5-3 while Ohio State lost and finished 7-1
• In 1993 Michigan won and finished 5-3 while Ohio State lost and finished 6-1-1
• In 1987 Ohio State won and finished 4-4 while Michigan lost and finished 5-3

As far as that year specifically:
The neutral voters thought Ohio State was better coming into The Game and going out of The Game and in the final poll after both teams lost their bowls.  

Both teams missed Purdue that year.  Michigan had a tougher conference slate because the other team they missed was Illinois while the other team that Ohio State missed was Wisconsin.  Comparing the six common conference opponents:

Opponent	tOSU PS	tOSU PA	tOSU MoV	M PS	M PA	M MoV	tOSU-M PS	tOSU-M PA	tOSU-M MoV
PSU	28	6	22	17	10	7	11	4	15
Iowa	38	17	21	20	6	14	18	-11	7
MSU	38	7	31	31	13	18	7	6	13
IU	44	3	41	34	3	31	10	0	10
MN	44	0	44	28	14	14	16	14	30
NU	54	10	44	17	3	14	37	-7	30
Total	246	43	203	147	49	98	99	6	105

Ohio State scored more points against and had a larger margin of victory against all six.  Defensively it was a bit closer.  Ohio State did better against three (PSU, MSU, MN) while Michigan did better against two (Iowa and NU) and each team held Indiana to a FG.  Still, Ohio State did better defensively overall.  

Against the six common conference opponents Ohio State had a 105 point better MoV by scoring 99 more points and giving up 6 less.  In order to believe that 2006 Michigan was better than 2006 Ohio State you have to be either crazy or a homer engaging in revisionist history.