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Topic: #8 Notre Dame (5-2) at #19 Michigan (6-2, 4-2) Post Game

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#8 Notre Dame (5-2) at #19 Michigan (6-2, 4-2) Post Game
« on: October 23, 2019, 07:49:39 AM »
Michigan's loss last Saturday night to Penn State was in some peoples eyes Michigan's best game of the year.  They'll have to play just as hard this Saturday night to have a chance to beat the Irish.

« Last Edit: October 27, 2019, 10:23:37 AM by 847badgerfan »
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 07:51:03 AM »
ND seems like a pretty sound team, to me.

Michigan may not be.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 08:08:59 AM »
I think Michigan takes this one. Being at home is the key here. I see something along the lines of 24-20.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 08:10:28 AM »
My "impression" is that "we" tend to over estimate the advantage of being at home these days.  I agree there is some advantage, and in some venues it can get to be appreciable and significant.  I think ND has some experience with a hostile environment where they played pretty well, and perhaps learned from some mistakes.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 08:14:34 AM »
Well, to be fair, another team aside from ND played well in that same environment. Michigan is talented, and wounded. I think they come out swinging and finally unleash.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 08:42:35 AM »

Harbaugh still hasn't beaten a rival other than Michigan State. 

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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 06:17:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 23, 2019, 08:08:59 AM
I think Michigan takes this one. Being at home is the key here. I see something along the lines of 24-20.
 I agree badge. I think Michigan turned a little bit of a corner against Penn State and I feel like they dominated for slightly more than a half a really good football team on the road in a hostile environment   We all know Michigan tends to play better at home and I see them winning this game by 7 to 10 points at least
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 06:41:00 PM »
Can't quite decide what to think here. Think Michigan's defense will have an easier time. Not sure I think their offense will.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 10:47:10 PM »
Michigan will win if they can just play smart and consistent, which they haven't all year, but if they can at least force more turnovers, commit fewer penalties, and the like, that may be enough. I think they're pretty evenly matched.

That said, they have a 10 game home win streak since the beginning of last year, while Notre Dame hasn't played (much less won) many big road games in recent years. I didn't see their USC game, but I wasn't that impressed with how they looked against Louisville or Virginia, either.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 07:30:02 AM »
The team with the fewest TOs will likely win.  Heh.

Are turnovers mostly random unpredictable events?  I'd say so 80% of the time.
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2019, 09:41:38 AM »
For all my Michigan fan friends on here, you will not hear this very often from me so enjoy it while you can:  For this week only, GO BLUE!
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2019, 09:45:43 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 24, 2019, 07:30:02 AM
The team with the fewest TOs will likely win.  Heh.

Are turnovers mostly random unpredictable events?  I'd say so 80% of the time.
If you were a coach and you could quantify these items, how many yards per play would you be willing to give up for an extra turnover per game.  

Explanation:
Suppose that there are two ways to coach tackling:
  • Try to rip the ball loose:  This way yields more turnovers but gives up more yards as opposing ball-carriers are able to advance while your tacklers are trying to rip the ball loose.  
  • Minimize opposing yardage gains:  This way yields less turnovers but reduces opposing yards per play because opposing ball-carriers are tackled as quickly as possible without allowing them to continue to advance while your tacklers grab at the ball.  

The answer can be zero or a fraction.  Ie, you might say "I would give up 0.5 yards per play for one turnover per game."  

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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2019, 10:09:08 AM »
supposedly, Frost's d coordinator is willing to give up a fraction of a yard per play to get the turnover

unfortunately, It's not working at UNL like it did at UCF
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Re: #8 Notre Dame (5-1) at #19 Michigan (5-2, 3-2) Game Week
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2019, 03:17:18 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 24, 2019, 10:09:08 AM
supposedly, Frost's d coordinator is willing to give up a fraction of a yard per play to get the turnover

unfortunately, It's not working at UNL like it did at UCF
At least in theory it makes sense.  An extra turnover per game might even be worth an extra yard per play.  Turnovers are big.  
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