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bayareabadger

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« Reply #70 on: Today at 12:11:25 PM »
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like it's the "real" tournament yet. It feels like merely an appetizer.

But like the CFP, expanding once is just a prelude to expanding again. They expanded to 65. Then 68. Now they're talking 76. Might as well just say screw it and go to 128, and make it a 4-weekend tournament. Right? Wouldn't that be swell??

Is this really making the product better?

And what does it do to fan interest, which we all know is heavily bolstered by brackets? One play-in or four play-in games is manageable... Now we'll have twelve play-in games on Tuesday and Wednesday?

This is a solution in search of a problem.


True.


I think I’m slightly better with 68 than 64 at this point, as I like a little more basketball, and I’m used to it now. But I would take 64 over anything bigger in a heartbeat.

I don’t think I would wanna cut the field anymore because I really like the symmetry. but would even take that over expansion. There are just zero teams outside of the field that I look at and say “y’know, maybe they deserve an at-large spot”

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« Reply #71 on: Today at 12:41:43 PM »
There are just zero teams outside of the field that I look at and say “y’know, maybe they deserve an at-large spot”
Yep.

It's just that where it gets hard is when we start thinking of teams on a relative basis. So, folks like @medinabuckeye1 quibble with the methodology of selecting one at-large prospect over another--perceived and likely actual--weaker at-large prospect and see unfairness. Or the idea of giving a charity bid to a weak conference champ when the at-large prospects left out due to those bids are pretty much objectively stronger teams. 

But I look at it along the lines that the tournament is big enough. Everyone worthy is already accounted for in the top 8 seeds. And probably even fewer. Of the 6, 7, and 8 seeds, two of them won the tournament in the first 4 years since 1985, when perhaps our selection processes and advanced/predictive metrics were FAR lower quality than they are right now. 

So this is why I'm anti-expansion and pro-contraction to 64. I agree, for example, with medina that Auburn was a better basketball team than Miami (OH). I agree that while you might get some plucky 12 seeds here and there, everyone that's 13 or below is worse than pretty much all even mediocre power conference schools. 

But... I don't care. I don't see the first four out as particularly "worthy" to include in a 64-team field because I don't see them having a credible claim that they're good enough to win 6 games in a row against the top 32 in the field. So I don't think we need to expand the field to let more of them in--even if they're better than the current 13-16 seeds

Of course, the NCAA doesn't care what I think, so I guess I'll shut up now. 

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« Reply #72 on: Today at 12:50:44 PM »
It sounds like they will just add more bubble teams to the Tuesday/Wednesday Dayton time. Which is fine, I guess. Making more auto-qualifiers go there would make the tournament much worse, so at least they aren't doing that yet.

Eventually bubble teams with losing records will get in. Blech. 

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« Reply #73 on: Today at 12:54:24 PM »
Eventually bubble teams with losing records will get in. Blech.
nah, no losing records.  More teams like Miami that have winning records vs nobody!
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« Reply #74 on: Today at 12:58:32 PM »
I think I’m slightly better with 68 than 64 at this point, as I like a little more basketball, and I’m used to it now. But I would take 64 over anything bigger in a heartbeat.
The change I would make is to make the WORST eight teams play a play-in game rather than the four worst and then also the four worst at-large.  That was a compromise but it never made any sense.  

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« Reply #75 on: Today at 01:20:40 PM »
But I look at it along the lines that the tournament is big enough. Everyone worthy is already accounted for in the top 8 seeds. And probably even fewer. Of the 6, 7, and 8 seeds, two of them won the tournament in the first 4 years since 1985, when perhaps our selection processes and advanced/predictive metrics were FAR lower quality than they are right now.
I've often wondered about this because it always seemed curious that the only #8 to win it all happened the very first year of the 64 team tournament.  Since you brought it up I decided to look it up.  

The lone #8 seed to win it all was Villanova in 1985.  They went 9-7 in the Big East and 19-10 overall (pre NCAAT).  

One thing that stood out to me right away is that they were hardly dominant in the NCAAT:
  • 2 point win over #9 seed Dayton.  
  • 4 point win over #1 seed Michigan.  
  • 3 point win over #5 seed Maryland.  
  • 12 point win over #2 seed UNC.  
  • 7 point win over #2 seed Memphis State.  
  • 2 point win over #1 Georgetown.  
Three of their six NCAAT wins were by a single possession, another was by four and only one was by double-digits.  


I don't think they were drastically underseeded.  In the National Championship Game they beat Georgetown.  Georgetown played in the same league (Big East) and finished five games better (14-2 vs 9-7).  Georgetown also won the Big East Tournament and beat Villanova H2H twice in the regular season.  I think it is just a matter of a decent but certainly not great team getting hot in March/April and getting a little help from busted brackets and viola, NC!  

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« Reply #76 on: Today at 01:23:12 PM »
It sounds like they will just add more bubble teams to the Tuesday/Wednesday Dayton time. Which is fine, I guess. Making more auto-qualifiers go there would make the tournament much worse, so at least they aren't doing that yet.
How would making crappy tallest midgets win a play-in make the tournament worse?  As it is one of the drawbacks is that the #13-16 seeds are so incredibly awful that the first round is effectively a bye for the top-4.  

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« Reply #77 on: Today at 01:46:58 PM »
I think it is just a matter of a decent but certainly not great team getting hot in March/April and getting a little help from busted brackets and viola, NC! 
I had looked it up b/c I was thinking that perhaps the teams that won it from a lesser seed might have been a broken bracket... But it wasn't broken in 1985. 

They faced every seed they "should" have except possibly the 5 over the 4 in the S16, and a 2 over a 1 in the F4. They didn't face a double-digit seed or anything in that tournament. 

In 1988, 6-seed Kansas avoided the 3 and faced the 14 in the R32, played the 7 instead of the 2 in the S16, and avoided their region's 1, only facing the 4, in the E8. That one was almost the best draw you could have [realistically] faced. So that one was the luck of a broken bracket.  

7-seed UConn in 2014 wasn't only a partially broken bracket. They faced the 2 in the R32 and the 3 in the S16. They did avoid the 1 seed in the E8, playing #4 MSU, which is a really big help. But the crazy thing is that they DID face an 8 seed in the championship game. That's crazy as the combined probability of a 7 (1.3%) and an 8 (5%) making the championship game together should be somewhere around 0.065%! About 1 in 1500 odds!


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« Reply #79 on: Today at 02:38:50 PM »
The change I would make is to make the WORST eight teams play a play-in game rather than the four worst and then also the four worst at-large.  That was a compromise but it never made any sense. 
It makes sense when you consider the full breadth of the entertainment product. Beyond a somewhat narrow view.

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« Reply #80 on: Today at 02:39:17 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: Today at 02:41:38 PM »
It sounds like they will just add more bubble teams to the Tuesday/Wednesday Dayton time. Which is fine, I guess. Making more auto-qualifiers go there would make the tournament much worse, so at least they aren't doing that yet.

Eventually bubble teams with losing records will get in. Blech.
I don’t like the plan overall, but I’d actually be kind of more bothered if it was just expanded to dump in more bubble teams in the earlier days. 

Like, I don’t want to move more auto qualifiers, but if the expanded field doesn’t move a few in there, it feels weirdly more pointless. 

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Re: 2026-2027 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #82 on: Today at 03:10:55 PM »
In 1988, 6-seed Kansas avoided the 3 and faced the 14 in the R32, played the 7 instead of the 2 in the S16, and avoided their region's 1, only facing the 4, in the E8. That one was almost the best draw you could have [realistically] faced. So that one was the luck of a broken bracket. 

That was an unhappy turn of the worm for both you and I.

Purdue was the #1 seed.  Kansas State cleared KU's way as the #4 seed, upsetting Purdue.  KSU had beaten KU twice earlier in the season, but proceeded to lose in the Elite 8 to our in-state rival.  As I've whined before, Charlie Brown U. is 4-14 in the Elite 8.

Another fact about that year...it was the 50th NCAA Tournament, and they played Oklahoma (yet another Big 8 foe) in the NC game, and it was 50-50 at half.  

All because Danny Manning's dad was hired by Larry Brown to move to Lawrence from NC and take an assistant job, leaving the lucrative truck driving position he had at the time.

Lucky freakin' Chickenhawks.

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« Reply #83 on: Today at 03:30:31 PM »
That’s the crazy good shooter, right?

he seemed poor defensively, but man could he pop.
No that's Mobley. I thought Chatman was coming on a bit at the end, but he seemed to go in and out of focus on defense.

 

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