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Topic: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #476 on: October 21, 2025, 10:27:09 PM »

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #477 on: Today at 05:53:09 AM »
The right thing to do is to fire everybody because it's obviously not working, then bring Barry Alvarez in to hire their replacements.

Pretty sure most of the Badger fans in here would be in violent agreement with that idea :57:
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #478 on: Today at 09:15:31 AM »
The right thing to do is to fire everybody because it's obviously not working, then bring Barry Alvarez in to hire their replacements.

Pretty sure most of the Badger fans in here would be in violent agreement with that idea :57:
There’s a small part of me that doesn’t think this is high-end trolling, and it would be amazing to explain that, but I’m pretty sure it’s just trolling. And I am good-naturedly angry at it.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #479 on: Today at 09:21:07 AM »
No.
There’s a small part of me that doesn’t think this is high-end trolling, and it would be amazing to explain that, but I’m pretty sure it’s just trolling. And I am good-naturedly angry at it.
Actually, I thought you Badgers all still held King Barry in such high regard that you'd think it was a good idea...

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #480 on: Today at 09:29:56 AM »
Osborne came back as AD and hired Pelini

wasn't a home run but it was the best hire in a long time before and after
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #481 on: Today at 10:11:21 AM »
 What do Wisconsin fans think of maybe hiring current NDSU head coach Tim Polaseck as your next head coach?  (I know, I know, Luke Fickell just got the vote confidence and has not been fired..   yet)

Polasek started in Div3 Concordia College in Wisconsin and does have Big Ten experience as an assistant at Iowa,  before becoming OC at Wyoming and head coach at NDSU
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #482 on: Today at 10:16:44 AM »
Actually, I thought you Badgers all still held King Barry in such high regard that you'd think it was a good idea...
Don't want to go to that well too often,UW has people paid handsomely to get things sorted.If they can't then replace them,BA left them on terra firma and those that followed dug the hole and made the mud pit
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #483 on: Today at 11:45:55 AM »
Several have pined for Jim Leonard, who no other program has even considered hiring as HC. 

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #484 on: Today at 12:36:36 PM »
1) Barry was great--as someone said earlier, one of the best coaching hires of the last 50 years for any program. He revolutionized the program, and continued his success as the AD. But his time has passed. He retired what, a decade ago? It's someone else's turn, and the concept that he is the only person who can do this is silly. No reason to tarnish his stellar reputation by bringing him back (if he were interested), and no reason to step in some other capable person's way. Also, while he did an amazing job building the program, this is about hiring coaches. His approach to that was (1) hire his own assistant; (2) hire another up-and-comer who didn't work out; then (3) hire another former assistant (who did work out, but word on the street was that he was fading fast at the end). So it's not like Barry had some magic sauce as the AD to find the right coaches.

2) I don't pretend to know who the right next hire is, but I'm not opposed to someone like Polaseck. Eck might also be a good choice, and there are likely several others. What I would like to see is someone who has had success building a program, has had success in the last three years, and has teams with an obvious identity, preferably one that includes strength on both lines. [edit] I should note that Barry didn't fit any of those, except possibly the last; he was an up-and-coming defensive coordinator who had earned a shot at his own program--and he was a home run hire. But he was brought into a garbage program; Fickell--and his replacement--are brought into a good program that has fallen on hard times. Not the same situation. [/edit]

3) Leonhard would have been a good choice three years ago, but--like Fickell, who was also good choice--that doesn't mean he would have worked out. That's something everyone needs to keep in mind about these things, the hiring process is different than performance. Fickell was a good hire at the time, but it turns out he wasn't the right coach for Wisconsin. At least that's the way it sure looks now (if I were in charge, I would have fired him by now--unless there's some magic hid behind some curtain that we're not privy to). The next time will be a similar calculation: whether he is a good hire at that moment is different than whether he works out. Hopefully we can learn things by past mistakes, but there's no guarantee in any of these hires, especially in the current, rapidly changing environment of college sports.

Would Leonhard be a good hire now? Maybe. If he understood that recruiting wasn't his strength and hired underlings who could make up for that deficiency, he might be really good at culture building, which is something that Fickell has apparently failed at. This program desperately needs an identity. And Leonhard was coaching great defenses without 5-star players. The fact that he's being groomed to be a head coach in the NFL tells me that he has the coaching chops. The question is whether he has the college coaching chops, and that means understanding recruiting. But I'm not a Leonhard or bust guy. I think that based on how the search went three years ago, he might not take McIntosh's call--but he would probably take a call from someone who replaces McIntosh.
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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #485 on: Today at 01:01:37 PM »
Still hoping Fickell turns out. I don't necessarily blame him for struggling during what is probably the most tumultuous time in CFB history in the last...80 years (to WWII, probably)? But that excuse won't last much longer. At a place like Wisconsin even the best coaches will have bad years, and will try things that don't work out. I can live with that--it's the price of not sticking with "above average is good enough." But I can't live with prolonged mediocrity.

And yeah, confident three-score+ wins over the body bag games, and playing tough ball against the big kids. Can't fade in the 2nd half/4th quarter of every game as they appeared to last year. There's a world in which 6 wins looks pretty good, and a world in which 6 wins means its time to evaluate the buyout. Eye test coming, and none too soon.
Discussion on another thread leads me to this: at 4-8 is Fickell necessarily gone? I think even at that record, he probably gets another year. The buyout is substantial, the schedule is rough, and McIntosh might not be far behind him if Fickell gets the axe. But...

3-9 is a real possibility:
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On the one hand, they could be decent and have three or four wins.
On the other, looking up at Indiana, Illinois, and Minnesota isn't an acceptable place for the program to be. And it shouldn't be chasing Iowa, either.

Hope springs eternal, so let's say they beat Iowa and Washington at home, Indiana and Illinois return towards the mean and the Badgers beat them, then finish off their rival to reclaim the axe at Minnesota. 8 wins. Surprise one of the big four that they are playing? 9 wins. Now I'm probably just hallucinating...
I will be happy with 8 wins. I won't be horrified with 7 wins. 6 wins? Will depend on how the season rolls out, not only for the Badgers, but for the other teams on this list. Anything less than 6 and I will be frustrated. All that said, 3-5 wins is the most likely outcome.
Those are my receipts. And the reason I tripped against Fickell when I did. This team hasn't come close to passing any eye test. Getting blown out at home by Maryland is unacceptable. The "best" game Wisconsin has played was at Michigan, and they still got whupped. 

Their best two remaining shots at a win are hosting Washington, and going to Minnesota. Frankly, I'll be stunned if they can win either of those.

But McIntosh told the team that he supports the coach, and Renfro said everyone was fired up and ready to go. How will they feel when they leave Eugene Saturday night?

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #486 on: Today at 01:15:29 PM »
In a way it was a measured response by the AD. The easy thing to do would be to throw Fickell under the bus and bring in a Wisconsin guy in order to quiet the fanbase for a few years. Instead, he identified that the root of the problem is that they weren't approaching NIL the right way, and he's committed to fixing it. If they don't address the root problem, then it doesn't matter who they bring in, they are going to have similar results to the ones that they are seeing right now. 

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #487 on: Today at 01:41:41 PM »
That's the hope. As I said a few posts ago, maybe in 2027 we will all be praising McIntosh for his strong leadership in tough times. I doubt it, but it's possible.

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Re: 2025 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #488 on: Today at 04:06:48 PM »
I don't read that much sports media, but went down a little rabbit hole today on the Athletic. Stewart Mandel's words:
"Fickell, on the other hand, is a dead man walking. The third-year coach is 15-18 overall, 8-14 in the Big Ten, and his 2025 team is truly terrible." (Emphasis added)

That last part is the fundamental indictment of Fickell's time in Wisconsin. This team stinks. And it's not just because they have a tough schedule. That's the point of all my ramblings above. They could be 2-5/0-4 and could have looked ok getting there, and we'd all be focused on how tough the schedule was, and that Maryland was unexpectedly good, so the close loss was forgivable. But, that's not what happened. They have looked hopeless/inept.

I've watched, cheered for, and even coached teams that were competitive, but snake bitten. That's not these Badgers.

 

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