2025 Michigan Offseason Thread

[SuperMario]

BC Orji's running is a bit overrated imo and his passing is obviously terrible. Orji is basically a slightly faster Tim Tebow as a runner but he can't even throw a lick. Orji doesn't have that instant acceleration like a Denard, his change of direction ain't that great, and his top end speed is kind of lacking for an elite QB runner....he's 4.6-ish on a good day maybe even slower...which is good for a QB that can actually throw. As a one trick running only QB? That's pretty meh.

First, if that were true, my point is even stronger and it makes ZERO sense to have a lack of creativity if you put him in.. if there's no creativity and that's true, why even put him on the field.

That being said, i think you need to do your homework my friend. Orji's 40 time was clocked at 4.34 this year. People seem to reference his 40 time from high school, which was 3 years ago.  Who was clocked a 4.34 40 as a qb? Lamar Jackson.. So yeah, his running isn't overrated, his play calling was simply terrible. The best runners on the planet can only do so much when the defense knows exactly what's coming every time. 

[Mdot21]

First, if that were true, my point is even stronger and it makes ZERO sense to have a lack of creativity if you put him in.. if there's no creativity and that's true, why even put him on the field.

That being said, i think you need to do your homework my friend. Orji's 40 time was clocked at 4.34 this year. People seem to reference his 40 time from high school, which was 3 years ago.  Who was clocked a 4.34 40 as a qb? Lamar Jackson.. So yeah, his running isn't overrated, his play calling was simply terrible. The best runners on the planet can only do so much when the defense knows exactly what's coming every time.

A) Kirk Campbell sucks. That’s why he was fired. Expecting any kind of creativity in the offense from him was asking for too much. 

B) Yeah, idc what fake 40 times college teams throw out, Urbs used to say his entire roster ran 4.2’s….ain’t no way in hell Alex Orji runs a legit 4.34. Lamar Jackson and Vick are basically the only QB’s to run that fast- and Orji ain’t nowhere near the runner either of them were nor did he have the speed/juice those dudes have/had. Orji is not really that fast of a football player- he’s just fast-ish for a QB. 

[Mdot21]

might explain why he never saw a snap....his throwing motion/mechanics make Tim Tebow's look good by comparison.


https://twitter.com/troy_doseck/status/1865135745062580284

[ELA]

might explain why he never saw a snap....his throwing motion/mechanics make Tim Tebow's look good by comparison.


https://twitter.com/troy_doseck/status/1865135745062580284

And yet this staff pursued him?  Seems like they are chasing stars rather than talent

[Temp430]

I'm thinking this might be Michigan's new OC:

https://gbmwolverine.com/mac-head-coach-emerging-as-michigan-football-oc-candidate-01jeqaeq1q9x



Coach Moore needs to make a decision pretty soon.  The portal clock is ticking.

[Mdot21]

in a shock to no one, Mason Graham declares for NFL draft. Top 10 pick and perhaps the greatest defensive tackle I’ve ever seen at Michigan.

[Mdot21]

And yet this staff pursued him?  Seems like they are chasing stars rather than talent

Sherrone Moore is like the only dude left from said staff, but yeah Jeem & Matt Weiss & Kirk Campbell pursued Jadyn Davis heavily. They were the “QB coaches/guys/experts” and we’re all on board. 

Davis was offered by everyone and was a top 100 overall recruit, so a lot of staffs pursued him.

Davis was insanely productive in high school and he has good arm strength. However his throwing mechanics are funky as all hell, he’s not athletic at all, and he’s a touch short at just over 6’. Also question his ability to pick things up- he enrolled early and was able to rep in bow practices, went through spring ball then a fall camp and he still couldn’t warrant even a hint of a shot to see the field despite the absolute dog shit Michigan trotted out at QB this year.

Davis was probably a case of a kid that peaked very early in his HS career and never grew physically nor developed proper throwing mechanics. Kid was 6’ and a very early 5* in the absurdly early 5* rankings these sites do and was offered by Bama in the 9th grade and then he just never grew physically and never bothered to clean up his throwing mechanics. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Question for the Michigan fans who watch that team more closely than I do.  I have to explain this so give me a few minutes here:

I track all B1G teams by how they did against their league opponents relative to the other eight teams that each opponent played.  Michigan finished REALLY well on this metric:

• Last game they beat Ohio State by 3.  That is #1 in the B1G and really, by a significant margin.  Oregon beat tOSU by 1 but that was in Eugene so if you take HFA into account at 3 points, Michigan's 3 point win in Columbus is theoretically 8 points better than Oregon's 1 point win in Eugene.  
• Second-to-last game they beat Northwestern by 44.  Some would say that it is "only Northwestern" and Northwestern was bad but nobody else beat them this bad, not even close.  Northwestern's next worst losses were by 26 (Iowa), 24 (tOSU), 20 (UWisc), and 19 (UWash).  
• Third-to-last game they lost in Bloomington by 5.  In a normal year that would be pathetic but this year that was second only to Ohio State (beat them by 23) and much better than the next best results (UWash and UMD lost to the Hoosiers by 14).  

So that got me thinking that *maybe* Michigan improved a lot over the course of the season and I just didn't notice.  But then I looked at all of their league games and that theory didn't really hold up.  Here are all of their league games sequentially with how well Michigan performed relative to each opponents' other eight opponents:

• 3 vs USC
• 3 vs MN
• 7 vs UWash
• 8 vs IL
• 6 vs MSU
• 5 vs Ore
• 2 vs IU
• 1 vs NU
• 1 vs tOSU

So now I'm curious.  Was there some reason that Michigan performed so dreadfully in that four game stretch from Washington on October 5 through Oregon on November 2?  

To put this in perspective, in the first two and last three games Michigan was 4-1 and their average performance was #2 which is actually better than any of the teams in the league, for reference, the leaders were:

• 2.56 tOSU
• 3.11 Oregon
• 3.22 Penn State
• 3.33 Indiana

However, in the aforementioned four-game stretch they were terrible, going 1-3 with an average performance of 6.5 which is comparable to Northwestern and Maryland.  

Everybody has good games and bad games but the chronology here makes me wonder if something was just wrong in that middle stretch.  

[Honestbuckeye]

in a shock to no one, Mason Graham declares for NFL draft. Top 10 pick and perhaps the greatest defensive tackle I’ve ever seen at Michigan.

I Actually watched UM a couple times just to watch that kid.  What a football player. 

[MaximumSam]

https://twitter.com/patrick_mayhorn/status/1866650022902894792?t=1rC5WGppH46s4GpgG_KgEQ&s=19

[ELA]

I Actually watched UM a couple times just to watch that kid.  What a football player.

I mean I saw plenty of him in the UM-OSU game, because OSU's game plan was to just keep running directly into him

[ELA]

https://twitter.com/patrick_mayhorn/status/1866650022902894792?t=1rC5WGppH46s4GpgG_KgEQ&s=19

He'd be a great hire...as a QB coach only.  Although apparently Bryce has GM LeBron powers


https://twitter.com/trevormccue/status/1866638403049230702

[Mdot21]

not sure on the hire but its giving me Al Borges vibes. they could've done so much better....

[Mdot21]

huge news...Dominic Zvada announced his return for his senior year. awesome kicker.