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Topic: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread

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847badgerfan

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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #154 on: September 30, 2024, 08:45:48 AM »
Wisconsin is Packers first, by a very large margin.

Wisconsin is not a wealthy state.
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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #155 on: September 30, 2024, 08:57:39 AM »
It is Packers by a significant margin

Badgers are not even  2 or 3. Brewers are not close to Packers but way ahead of UW. Bucks would be 3rd.
The State has a frugal bent which is undeniable.

My most boosterish UW friends would rather put a few bucks in their up north property (or worthless Packers stock) than fund a collective.  I don't blame them.  

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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #156 on: September 30, 2024, 08:58:35 AM »
Wisconsin is Packers first, by a very large margin.

Wisconsin is not a wealthy state.
maybe so but Wisconsin has plenty of wealthy boosters. need them to donate to NIL funds a little more and directly to the school a little less. 

Take Portnoy for example. He really hasn’t donated to the school and he’s talked openly about it- how they keep lobbying him to donate but he won’t. Why donate to AD that will waste your money on sports that aren’t football when you can donate directly to NIL to get football players? If Portnoy follows through on his word and ponies up $3 million a year to get Michigan a top flight QB- that is FAR more impactful on the football program than it is just writing a $3 million check to the AD. 

Wisconsin has plenty of wealthy boosters to go around to pool money together to buy a QB. They need to get with the times and evolve or die. It’s that simple.

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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #157 on: September 30, 2024, 09:06:49 AM »
Herb Kohl is dead. I can't think of any wealthy Wisconsin boosters.
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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #161 on: September 30, 2024, 11:47:58 AM »
Wisconsin had to DL leave in the portal, and they could really use them right now.

One starts at LSU
One starts at aTm

$$$$$$$$

Badgers couldn't match.

DL Gio Paez going to LSU is a good case study of non-helmets getting stripped of experienced roster talent. His other notable scholarship offers were Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, Nebraska, and Texas A&M.

Wisconsin took on the work of finding him and scouting him from a smaller school in North Carolina. Wisconsin risked a scholarship on him. And Wisconsin did the work of developing Paez into a contributing starter. But in this NIL/Portal/Realignment era others who didn’t do any of this work can have six figures waiting for him should he hit the portal. The new era makes it that much more difficult for non-helmets to create success for themselves on the back bone of qualities like persistence and program identity.

Sherrone Moore will be in this same exact situation Fickell finds himself in if he doesn’t fire his co-ordinators at the end of the year and get a couple QB’s in the porthole and get another ‘25 QB commit.

But the different reality Sherrone Moore can take advantage of is having major bankroller(s) willing to fund the NIL game.

Take Portnoy for example.

“I’ll talk to Sherrone – ‘who do you guys want?’ I’ll go get them. I will sign them. A million. Two million. Whatever it is.”


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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #162 on: September 30, 2024, 01:48:17 PM »
This is the hardest statement to read, and yes - blame the NIL, but the transfer portal and conference realignment are also to blame, all at once hitting college football with too much change.

This is something I was talking in depth about with my Auburn friends yesterday.

Though college football’s helmet schools always had a grip on the sport there was always strong resistance mounted against their throne from the more second tier ranks. Which, when the times were right, made room at the top for schools like Florida and Miami to have truly dominate runs for several years. Or Wisconsin’s persistence would pay off with Rose Bowls. Or Auburn landing the right player could result in a national championship season lead by Cam Newton.

In this new era it’s like those options for the 2nd tier ranks are more limited due to:

1) NIL keeping up with the Helmet schools in the NIL era.

2) Transfer Portal giving helmet schools the chance to pry away solid players from 2nd tier schools. Image Ohio State and Michigan cherry picking experienced, well developed lineman from Wisconsin or Iowa using the NIL. Now coaches have to re-recruit their best players every season.

3) The conference realignment has made schedules more dense. Meaning a 10-2 team is 9-3 or 8-4, which means the 2nd tier is knocked out of conference contention earlier. This point might be more debatable. Auburn and Wisconsin collapsing in the second half yesterday is worse than it otherwise would be because, given their “realigned” schedules, they might not even win enough to make a bowl. This wouldn’t be the case with their older schedules.

Now I wonder if this second tier is disappearing in terms of opportunity like a middle class that disappears while the upper echelon is solidified.

Someone (ELA?) was saying something like too much of the sport’s upper half (2nd tier) of the sport is built to go 8-4. That 8-4 is the 2nd tier being left in the dust by the locked in Helmets.
Agree with all of this.
We're a long way from a stabilization of college football in the post-NCAA control era. Right now it's the wild west. It will take some time to figure out what's next, but when there are no enforceable rules, the strong get stronger. That's just how it works. But there is a risk with that. As I've discussed about politics from time to time, the French Revolution (and the terrors that went with it) was the market correcting itself--much to the chagrin of those in power. It may well be that the blue bloods can form a league that serves their interests, but it may also be that college football has never been an NFL-lite, and that the efforts to turn it into one backfire on the wealthy schools.
Schools like Wisconsin can be part of the solution, if they can use their still-significant weight to force rules that result in fairness, or they can get left behind.
Right now Wisconsin is getting left behind, and that's due to a combination of coaching, recruiting, and the changing landscape. Wisconsin can fix the first issue, and maybe the second. I think Fickell is more than capable, but Saturday's game was much more troubling to me than the Alabama game.
These things have happened before to good coaches who have been able to right the ship.

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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #163 on: September 30, 2024, 02:11:21 PM »
Also, a walk around campus will let you know that Wisconsin has plenty of wealthy benefactors ready to put their names on things. Maybe none like the Kohl family, but there's still plenty there. I do think that culturally, Wisconsin is little c conservative in the sense that the state, its residents, and its flagship university's alumni aren't generally the ones who lead the revolution, whatever that revolution might be. I think of the culture there as very practical--which is a good thing, generally. I'm not surprised that the folks leading the athletic department aren't trying to lead the way on changing the college sports landscape.

And, yes, the Packers, Brewers, and Bucks are a much bigger deal--that's true of most pro sports in most places. 

And I know people are worried about the state of the football program, which has not been good for several years now. But hiring Fickell was the right decision, even if it doesn't turn out right. And it if doesn't, McIntosh (or the person who replaces him) will have to give it another go.

The whole air raid offense is an interersting thing. If I remember correctly, Brian Kelly had great success with a versin of it at Cincinatti, but was never really able to get it going at Notre Dame. Mike Leach was its grand wizard, and he had his moments, but did it really every get him all the way to the promised land? Maybe I'm wrong--this is gut feel, and two years of futility in Madison--but it feels like an offense that can work for lower tier programs because they can really get it going every now and again and use it to upset the bigger, more established programs. Something like it, although I think it's more often a more standard RPO offense can work for the highest tier programs because they can get the incredible athletes that it really takes advantage of, but I'm not sure it's a good offense to build a consistent, strong, but not elite program around. So if Fickell is going to use it to turn Wisconsin into a premier program--which is what Fickell and McIntosh have talked about--they are going to have to solve the recruiting/NIL issues. If not, Fickell is probably better off trying to get back to consistently very good teams, and then try to use that to push Wisconsin into the CFB playoff picture.

That was working under Bielema for a bit (it helped that Michigan and Ohio State each had their own pains at the time), and Chryst had a few very good seasons in which it seemed like the Badgers were on that cusp, before the program started to really suffer from recruiting problems (if I understand what happened correctly).



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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #166 on: October 02, 2024, 09:31:59 AM »
What is this about?
My guess is disfunction.

CLF wanted to fire the OC last season, and the AD wouldn't do the buyout.

The OL coach that the OC brought in did get fired, but he had no buyout (or value). Had he not been fired, half (or more) of the OL group would have transferred.
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Re: 2024 Wisconsin Season Thread
« Reply #167 on: October 02, 2024, 12:56:40 PM »

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People can be really good at overthinking simple things. This is a simple thing. If the Badgers had lined up appropriately--under center with two tight ends--and run a play action fake that failed, that would be one thing, but this? No. Bad call.

Honestly, if you are going to run out of the shotgun, at least line up a bunch of receivers to keep the defense honest by spreading it out. That's a better play than this.

 

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