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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #882 on: February 23, 2025, 03:24:57 PM »
Uh, Purdue?

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #883 on: February 23, 2025, 03:51:28 PM »
Uh, Purdue?
Indiana may play their way into the Tournament. 

This win gives them a quality win and moves them to 16-11/7-9. 

They should beat Penn State at home on Wednesday to move to 17-11/8-9. 

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #884 on: February 23, 2025, 04:13:58 PM »
I'm pretty sure there are lids on the rims in Pauley.

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #885 on: February 23, 2025, 04:14:14 PM »
Indiana may play their way into the Tournament.

This win gives them a quality win and moves them to 16-11/7-9.

They should beat Penn State at home on Wednesday to move to 17-11/8-9.
I'm done saying what games Indiana "should" win.  They have 3 wins in the past 6 weeks, @OSU, @MSU, Purdue

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #886 on: February 23, 2025, 04:41:52 PM »
Ive always put a lot of stock in regular season Big Ten titles.  With 18 teams, not sure how much I care anymore.

I still care, just not sure where.  BTT banners rank about like winning a Battle 4 Atlantis, and are only decreasing.  But regular season banners feel more and more schedule based, on one hand.  But on the other hand, schedules are arguably more balanced now than with 14.  You only have 3 double plays, schedule imbalance is more about who you get H/A vs. who you play.

Id be curious to see medinas tier breakdown of how many projected W/L you missed

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #887 on: February 23, 2025, 05:07:44 PM »
Congrats to Vlad on his engagement Friday night :57:


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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #888 on: February 23, 2025, 05:08:13 PM »
I never set up tiers this year because it just feels too random.

There have always been upsets but it seems that it has been getting more and more unpredictable. 

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« Reply #889 on: February 23, 2025, 05:14:01 PM »
I never set up tiers this year because it just feels too random.

There have always been upsets but it seems that it has been getting more and more unpredictable.
I agree, but using the tiers just to determine who got the easiest schedule, based on how many projected W/L were missed?  I thought we had...

  • 1 - Illinois, MSU, PU, UW
  • 2 - UMd, UM, Oregon, UCLA
  • 3 - IU, NU, OSU
  • 4 - NW, Rutgers, USC
  • 5 - Iowa, PSU
  • 6 - Washington
  • 7 - Minnesota

If we were redoing them, based on current KenPom, I'd have...

  • 1 - MSU, Wisconsin
  • 2 - Maryland, Purdue
  • 3 - Illinois, Michigan, UCLA
  • 4 - OSU, Oregon
  • 5 - Indiana, Nebraska, NW, USC
  • 6 - Iowa, PSU, Rutgers
  • 7 - Minnesota, Washington

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #890 on: February 24, 2025, 10:31:43 AM »
I mean, I care and I would like to have one a lot, but I’ve seen a lot of seasons without one, so I’m not gonna freak out.

But if this game decides that, I will be more irritated,
Is it just basketball, or is it just a Greg Gard coached team?

I think he's done a great job this year, and he's done a very good job since taking over the program, but this kind of loss is a given for his teams. You just know it's lurking out there--including very likely during the first two rounds of the NCAA tourney...

On the other hand, I wish I had the same view of Fickell's football program (so far) as I do of Gard's basketball program.

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« Reply #891 on: February 24, 2025, 12:54:11 PM »
Is it just basketball, or is it just a Greg Gard coached team?

I think he's done a great job this year, and he's done a very good job since taking over the program, but this kind of loss is a given for his teams. You just know it's lurking out there--including very likely during the first two rounds of the NCAA tourney...

On the other hand, I wish I had the same view of Fickell's football program (so far) as I do of Gard's basketball program.
I always find this logic a bit winding and hard to pin down. 

I watched a lot of Bo Ryan teams. And through the years, they had plenty of losses that pissed me off a great deal. Is this kind of loss special to Greg Gard, but unheard of with Bo or Dick Bennett? I’m not sure, but I’m skeptical, in part because “this kind of loss” is not really well defined. 

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #892 on: February 24, 2025, 10:03:55 PM »
This game tonight has been a brutal watch

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« Reply #893 on: February 24, 2025, 10:45:14 PM »
like almost every Husker game
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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #894 on: February 25, 2025, 10:27:48 AM »
I always find this logic a bit winding and hard to pin down.

I watched a lot of Bo Ryan teams. And through the years, they had plenty of losses that pissed me off a great deal. Is this kind of loss special to Greg Gard, but unheard of with Bo or Dick Bennett? I’m not sure, but I’m skeptical, in part because “this kind of loss” is not really well defined.
That's a fair criticism. I'll put it this way: I have never felt comfortable that Wisconsin will necessarily win a game under the Gard regime, until very late in that particular game, no matter the quality of opponent. Never. Losing a 15-point, second half lead, at home, against a good, but not great Oregon team is entirely consistent with what I expect. That feels like a different kind of a loss than coming out flat on the road against a middling team (Bo Ryan losses).

Of course all coaches lose games it feels like they should win. And maybe its just recency bias, or maybe I just don't watch enough basketball to have a solid base to work from, but it has always felt like Gard's teams are just a little more unpredictable than Bo Ryan or Dick Bennett teams. Bennett just coached ugly, defensive basketball--nearly all of those games were close, boring, and could go either way.

There's an optimistic way to think about it, too. Wisconsin feels like it rarely has the really talented wunderkinds that shinier athletic programs tend to attract, and yet Gard has them much further up the conference table than the "experts" tend to predict. Maybe the reason they sometimes lose games like this is they aren't, player for player, that much better than anyone else, they are just better coached. But the coach doesn't actually control the floor, he just makes suggestions.

I don't know--but my gut feeling (as unprovable and logically unsound as it may be) is that Gard's teams have at least one--and often more--of these head shakers a year--and they are consistently bigger head shakers than Bo Ryan had.

I was also on campus when the Badgers made their first NCAA tournament in forever, so I still don't take tournament appearances for granted. But I would like to see this team win a couple in the tournament this time around. And I still hold my breath every time I watch or check the scoreboard.

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Re: 2024-2025 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #895 on: February 25, 2025, 11:34:49 AM »
2/25 SOR/KenPom bracket.  Going to stick with the NIT projections for now, because the conference agreements with the NIT and CBC will take a year to sort out.  I believe the top 2 Big Ten teams left out (Nebraska and Ohio State) HAVE to go to the CBC, per the tv agreements.  Then the 3rd team (Indiana) will get an NIT invite, but don't have to accept.  But I'll just keep to the pre 2024 NIT format, because we know what that means

NCAA
SOUTH
  • #1 Auburn vs. #16 SE Missouri State/Merrimack
  • #8 Utah State vs. #9 Connecticut
  • #5 MARYLAND vs. #12 Liberty
  • #4 Clemson vs. #13 High Point
  • #3 Texas Tech vs. #14 Samford
  • #6 Mississippi State vs. #11 West Virginia
  • #7 Memphis vs. #10 Vanderbilt
  • #2 MICHIGAN STATE vs. #15 Norfolk State

EAST
  • #1 Florida vs. #16 Bryant/Bucknell
  • #8 BYU vs. #9 Gonzaga
  • #5 Marquette vs. #12 Wake Forest/Georgia
  • #4 MICHIGAN vs. #13 Yale
  • #3 Iowa State vs. #14 UNC Wilmington
  • #6 PURDUE vs. #11 Oklahoma
  • #7 OREGON vs. #10 North Carolina
  • #2 Tennessee vs. #15 Central Connecticut

WEST
  • #1 Houston vs. #16 Southern
  • #8 New Mexico vs. #9 ILLINOIS
  • #5 Kentucky vs. #12 McNeese State
  • #4 Louisville vs. #13 Grand Canyon
  • #3 Texas A&M vs. #14 Arkansas State
  • #6 Arizona vs. #11 Drake
  • #7 Ole Miss vs. #10 San Diego State
  • #2 St. John’s vs. #15 Northern Colorado

MIDWEST
  • #1 Duke vs. #16 Milwaukee
  • #8 Creighton vs. #9 Baylor
  • #5 Saint Mary’s vs. #12 UC San Diego
  • #4 Missouri vs. #13 Akron
  • #3 WISCONSIN vs. #14 Lipscomb
  • #6 Kansas vs. #11 SMU/Arkansas
  • #7 UCLA vs. #10 VCU
  • #2 Alabama vs. #15 South Dakota State

NIT
CINCINNATI
  • #1 Xavier vs. #8 American
  • #4 Colorado State vs. #5 IOWA
  • #3 San Francisco vs. #6 Kansas State
  • #2 George Mason vs. #7 Chattanooga

LINCOLN
  • #1 NEBRASKA vs. #8 Omaha
  • #4 UC Irvine vs. #5 Central Florida
  • #3 Pittsburgh vs. #6 Utah
  • #2 Cincinnati vs. #7 Jacksonville State

COLUMBUS
  • #1 OHIO STATE vs. #8 Marist
  • #4 TCU vs. #5 Santa Clara
  • #3 North Texas vs. #6 Georgetown
  • #2 Boise State vs. #7 Robert Morris

AUSTIN
  • #1 Texas vs. #8 James Madison
  • #4 Arizona State vs. #5 NORTHWESTERN
  • #3 Villanova vs. #6 Utah Valley
  • #2 INDIANA vs. #7 Towson

All Big Ten Teams
  • Michigan State - moved up from #4 seed to #2 seed
  • Wisconsin - #3 seed
  • Michigan - #4 seed
  • Maryland - #5 seed
  • Purdue - dropped from #3 seed to #6 seed
  • UCLA - #7 seed
  • Oregon - moved up from #8 seed to #7 seed
  • Illinois - dropped from #8 seed to #9 seed
  • Nebraska - dropped from #9 seed to NIT 1 seed
  • Ohio State - dropped from #10 seed to NIT 1 seed
  • Indiana - NIT 2 seed
  • Iowa - dropped from NIT 4 seed to NIT 5 seed
  • Northwestern - moved up to NIT 5 seed
  • USC - dropped from NIT 5 seed to #1 team out of NIT
  • Rutgers - moved up to #4 team out of NIT
  • Penn State - moved up to #6 team out of NIT
  • Minnesota - moved up to #7 team out of NIT
  • Washington - dropped to #14 team out of NIT

 

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