2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Honestbuckeye]

- currently under investigation for lying about recruiting violations 

- currently under investigation for the ONLY IN GAME CHEATING ever seen in CFB.  
- Coach fired for cheating 
- Coach recently fired for buying booze for ( and trying to hook up with) a 13 year old girl
- Coach recently resigned for racist social media
- player recently shut down in social media for anti-Semitic remarks 
- player recently arrested for speeding and illegal weapon possession- and allowed to play that same week. 

Yeah- just screams “I want my kid to go there” and “what a great man of character “

And you’re going to come here and go on about stuff you think happened when Tressel was coach? 13 years ago?

WTH.   OSU lives rent free in peoples heads.  

So if your go down that path at least get current. Go ahead and list the violations the current coach has been accused of, (let alone actually done):

I will be waiting.  Hint: don’t waste your time since there is nothing.  

Sorry- that is the definition of deflection.    

[SuperMario]

And here's why I argued several weeks ago that we shouldn't let the outcome of one or two games color this, despite the fact that I knew both fanbases would take a win in the game as evidence that (if OSU won) the sign stealing was enormously advantageous or (if UM won) that this was all a nothingburger. And in this case we got both... The game was close compared to the last two years so the OSU fans say it proves sign stealing was advantageous, while Michigan fans say "hey look we still won" so it's a nothingburger.

And it's an argument that neither team can prove, because you can't know what would have happened this year had none of this come to light.

You're take on this from day 1 has been really insightful and spot on. The part above is probably the most humorous part and particularly spot on about the response from both sides. Definitely worth laughing about because it's so true. Neither side will see eye to eye unless far more details come out and that may never happen with the NCAA. When there's $$$ involved, they have a tendency to help sweep some things under the rug made of money and that may happen here as well, even if there is further guilt. For now, tough to argue that there will be anything but the focus on conference championships, bowls and playoff games.

I'm still very interested if Petitti would have to hand a trophy to Harbaugh this weekend if Michigan wins. Will they be awkward? Will Harbaugh be the one that accepts it? Would either like it or both hate it?

[SuperMario]

- currently under investigation for lying about recruiting violations

- currently under investigation for the ONLY IN GAME CHEATING ever seen in CFB. 
- Coach fired for cheating
- Coach recently fired for buying booze for ( and trying to hook up with) a 13 year old girl
- Coach recently resigned for racist social media
- player recently shut down in social media for anti-Semitic remarks
- player recently arrested for speeding and illegal weapon possession- and allowed to play that same week.

Yeah- just screams “I want my kid to go there” and “what a great man of character “

And you’re going to come here and go on about stuff you think happened when Tressel was coach? 13 years ago?

WTH.  OSU lives rent free in peoples heads. 

So if your go down that path at least get current. Go ahead and list the violations the current coach has been accused of, (let alone actually done):

I will be waiting.  Hint: don’t waste your time since there is nothing. 

Sorry- that is the definition of deflection.   

and you think OSU lives rent free lol. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

You're take on this from day 1 has been really insightful and spot on. 

I appreciate that. As someone without a specific fan allegiance axe to grind, I'm just trying to look at it from a neutral perspective. 

However, if you wanted to address the post, the stuff about "due process" was IMHO much more important than the respective fanbases spinning The Game's result re: sign stealing. As someone who has been pretty consistent talking about this desire for due process, I wanted to hear your thoughts about that. Do you think Michigan's entitlement to "due process" has actually been violated?

[Temp430]

Fired LB Coach Partridge says he was fired for violating the NCAA prohibition over talking about the investigation to Michigan employees or players.  Not because he had knowledge of Conner Stalions advance scouting or destroying evidence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/ZFylBdaO8B">pic.twitter.com/ZFylBdaO8B</a></p>&mdash; Chris Partridge (@CoachCPartridge) <a href="
https://twitter.com/CoachCPartridge/status/1729247265699824100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[betarhoalphadelta]

Fired LB Coach Partridge says he was fired for violating the NCAA prohibition over talking about the investigation to Michigan employees or players.  Not because he had knowledge of Conner Stalions advance scouting or destroying evidence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/ZFylBdaO8B">pic.twitter.com/ZFylBdaO8B</a></p>&mdash; Chris Partridge (@CoachCPartridge) <a href="
https://twitter.com/CoachCPartridge/status/1729247265699824100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He says it's a University prohibition on talking about the investigation, not an NCAA prohibition. 

[ELA]

Except the topics are so far beyond different and one of them directly involves the head coach and the other has zero show evidence of the head coach's involvement.

UM admin took the stance of due process based on the facts they had. So there's an argument to be made of what preferred, protect the image of the institution or ensure that due process is done when an individual is accused of something. I understand an argument on both sides, but I don't understand the argument that Michigan has no moral code because they didn't bail on Harbaugh already.

Say what you will, and maybe you have inside knowledge some of us don't because you've always been well connected in AA, but to me Harbaugh is the type of man I'd want to see leading my kids in the collegiate athletic world. Early on some football only minds questioned him for taking his guys to Italy, then France then South Africa. When he was at Stanford, he called out the Michigan program because so many of the athletes had either no majors listed or were in general studies. His stance was he saw how it was handled at Stanford and wanted the same for Michigan. His MO early on and no reason to believe that changed is that he wanted more for his players than just a game and success on the field, but was looking to help them achieve the most out of their life in the future as well.

Recently he has become vocal about revenue sharing with players. It's evident that with NIL implemented and the changes in the college football world cannot be avoided, so he seems to be vocal about pushing for the best interests of the players.

This is where I think it's odd so many are anti-Harbaugh, trying to claim he has no moral code, no integrity, no ethics and is a dirtbag. Based on what? This guy if anything, has been an oddity in the football world that cared more about long-term results than short-terms success on the field. It seemed to be one of the main reasons that UM football folks wanted him gone after another loss to OSU on the field. He didn't put enough priority on the on-the-field results.

You are the one who said I'd prefer Tucker.  I said no, I never defended him.  And now you say, well, it's different.  If they are different, then why did you bring up that I would prefer Tuckers behavior?  Which is both untrue, and by your own admission, different.  That seems like a very odd attack to make, but have at it.  Even by straw man arguments, that is an all time weak one

[Temp430]

Coach Harbaugh contract extension and end to NCAA investigation possible this week.

https://gbmwolverine.com/2023/11/28/michigan-football-positive-news-jim-harbaugh-contract-latest-ncaa-investigation/

[MrNubbz]

[SuperMario]

You are the one who said I'd prefer Tucker.  I said no, I never defended him.  And now you say, well, it's different.  If they are different, then why did you bring up that I would prefer Tuckers behavior?  Which is both untrue, and by your own admission, different.  That seems like a very odd attack to make, but have at it.  Even by straw man arguments, that is an all time weak one

When you continue to knock Michigan, not just Harbaugh, but the university and its fans, commenting consistently on morality and integrity, then why wouldn’t you expect someone to question the same about your own, using an example of someone who crossed a far more disgusting morality line and he was employed by your university and the figurehead of your football program. 

Harbaugh is being punished on behalf of the the university right? That’s how they connect the dots isn’t it?

and yes, one of the staff members on Michigan crossing the line for scouting opponents is different than Jim Harbaugh pleasuring himself on the phone with a victim of sexual abuse. So yeah, let’s measure ethics of the figurehead of our college football programs. Michigan had an assistant apparently that is being accused of some disgusting morality issues. Feel free to question him and the hiring of that person. It should be questioned, but while you’re taking so much time to knock Michigan, maybe spend as much time question how your program is hiring people willing to pleasure themselves with abuse victims as the head of your program.

[ELA]

Again, YOUR words were that I would prefer a coach who pleasured himself.

With absolutely zero proof of that.  And actually all proof to the exact opposite.

Straw man argument

[847badgerfan]

MSU did the right thing in firing Tucker.

[SuperMario]

Again, YOUR words were that I would prefer a coach who pleasured himself.

With absolutely zero proof of that.  And actually all proof to the exact opposite.

Straw man argument

And you won’t address the rest of it. 

next time I’ll more clearly outline the implied meaning behind my statement so you can ignore and avoid it further while continuing to bash Michigan. Proceed…

[ELA]

Maybe you would like him more if he was harassing abuse victims.

This was your full post