2023 Michigan Season Thread

[TyphonInc]

On this one, you can only dream. There’s a 0% chance of that happening.

56-6.  3CFP Appearances.  Best record of all active coaches against ranked teams.

And here is the part that you’re just not getting:
Because of what Michigan has been caught doing, the overwhelming majority of the fan base has now given him a pass on the last two years.

Lastly- He’s going on the road as an underdog.  I would give him a plus for his coaching job this season, regardless of what happened Saturday. This was his best coaching job by far 

This is how I and most of my circle see it. The Game is still the biggest most important game to an OSU fan, but TCUN getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar has given Day a pass on the last two losses.

[betarhoalphadelta]

So let me get this straight. There’s absolutely no facts that Ryan Day and his PI brother were not involved and he’s a saint that turned in cheaters.

There’s tons of facts that Jim Harbaugh is a scumbag cheater that sucked before he started cheating in 2021 and shame on anyone defending his career getting destroyed even though all the facts prove he cheated.

That’s basically what’s happening. So please, when your corner takes the moral high ground, it’s not well received because so much of your corner is approaching just like I described. Not saying you are by any means, but reasonableness from most fans has been out the window for a while.

Umm, I think most of us on this thread, and particularly the person not on this thread but who sent the letter announcing the suspension (Pettitti), have stated that we don't know if Harbaugh knew anything about this. Which is why he is not being punished.. 

There are tons of facts that MICHIGAN cheated. Exactly how high up that cheating went is unclear. But that is why MICHIGAN was punished by the B1G. 

[MaximumSam]

If Ohio State loses there's better than a 50% chance Day is fired on Sunday.  Some Buckeye fans like Urban Meyer say he'll be fired for sure.

Buckeye fans are crazy but there is zero chance Ryan Day is fired unless he wins and start streaking across the field with "Suck it Harbaugh" written across his butt

[847badgerfan]

If he did that, I'd think they'd build him a statue.

[medinabuckeye1]

If he did that, I'd think they'd build him a statue.

The only part that would be an issue is the streaking. 

If he wins then just unloads on Michigan/Harbaugh/Cheating at his post-game press conference there will be statues.

[SuperMario]

Umm, I think most of us on this thread, and particularly the person not on this thread but who sent the letter announcing the suspension (Pettitti), have stated that we don't know if Harbaugh knew anything about this. Which is why he is not being punished..

There are tons of facts that MICHIGAN cheated. Exactly how high up that cheating went is unclear. But that is why MICHIGAN was punished by the B1G.

This is a very fair statement and I am making the mistake of paying attention to those that scream the loudest rather than the majority of what's being said. Definitely need to correct that on my end. 

[SuperMario]

First:
Completely irrelevant to the current issue of Michigan's covert sign stealing operation.

Second:
Cooper never lacked for talent after his first few years. The 1993-2000 Ohio State teams had LOTS of talent and Tressel started beating Michigan and won an NC largely with guys Cooper brought in.

Third:
Tressel got caught failing to disclose knowledge of impermissible benefits and got fired.

Fourth:
If you want to go down the past transgressions rabbit hole just remember that your school beat mine in an Elite-Eight BB game by using a team with a payroll that rivaled some NBA teams. Guys trading Bowl swag for tattoos doesn't come close to Michigan's industrial-scale cheating.

1) Agree, but was not exactly the point.
2)Mo Clarrett was certainly not a cooper guy
3-4) There's far more to the tressel/donors story which is more similar to the Michigan bball story than you would care to believe. 

And yes, none of that is relevant to this topic and Michigan crossing the line of sign stealing. My point was more directed at the consistent posts that Michigan only won 2021 and 2022 because of sign stealing and we keep posting about Harbaugh's record before 2021 and then after, while ignoring every factor involved. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Lol. First, your example is hilarious. I wish roaddawg posted here still. Good dude.
secondly, I’m personally not claiming rules weren’t broken and justifying them saying everyone is doing it.

here’s the part you’re missing. After the cop gives me the ticket for speeding. You run around and grab a megaphone in my neighborhood that I’m a scumbag because I was speeding and got caught and no one anywhere ever drives over the speed limit and the guy that got caught is the scum of the earth and deserves to lose his license forever.

Thanks on the first paragraph. 

On the second paragraph I do see where you are coming from but I have a few points about it.  

First, you have at least acknowledged that Michigan crossed a line with what we know about Stalions covert sign stealing ring.  Some of our (Ohio State fans generally) responses you need to understand are more directed at the HUMONGOUS portion of the M fanbase (and apparently some of the higher ups) who refuse to acknowledge that they did anything wrong.  Specifically to this thread, I haven't heard anything like that from your brethren, just completely unfounded accusations that Ryan Day and/or his brother turned Michigan in which wouldn't be unethical, immoral, illegal, or against NCAA rules even if true.  

I think if the bulk of the M fanbase reacted with something like "Ok, this isn't good, we appear to have broken the rules but other teams have broken other rules" there wouldn't be quite so much vitriol coming back at you.  My perception is that the bulk of the M fanbase is in the @Mdot21 / @Temp430 camp of basically "F the rules, F Ohio State, F Ryan Day, we can do whatever the F we want because Ohio State did something wrong once and oh by the way, Day/Ohio State turning us in for cheating is way worse and a way bigger deal than the possibility that some low-level lone wolf Michigan guy did something that shouldn't even be against the rules."  

Second, this is just the nature of the business.  Most Michigan fans didn't hold back during Tatoogate because their basketball cheating scandal was exponentially worse and Ohio State fans aren't going to hold back during signgate because Tatoogate happened.  That just isn't how these things work.  

[SuperMario]

  Specifically to this thread, I haven't heard anything like that from your brethren, just completely unfounded accusations that Ryan Day and/or his brother turned Michigan in which wouldn't be unethical, immoral, illegal, or against NCAA rules even if true. 

I haven't said much about it because I haven't seen any factual evidence. That being said, I do think it's weird when the story broke, it was tips from a PI firm. Then it comes out Day's brother runs a PI firm with a football based name for his firm and he has some childhood friends that took up shop in MI. Then the media (ESPN/Yahoo side) suddenly shift that it was vegas and the gambling side are the firm.

Do I think all of that matters most? no, but it makes me wonder what is narrative to shape the story and what are facts and I'll be the first to admit I have no idea. I'm not 100% there's ZERO ties to day's brother and it wouldn't be the craziest thing if there were. I not 100% certain that michigan simply broke the rules and it altered outcomes that ultimately impacted Vegas and they're pissed. We may also never know the truth either lol. It's also definitely weird that Michigan has been completely wrong so far on their "inside" versions of the story so it's definitely possible the Day connections are completely fabricated, but I'm a numbers guy and a black and white guy so I like cold hard facts before making a complete decision on where I stand. I always consider probabilities, but I never sit fully comfortable with things until it's an outcome as opposed to a high probability. 

Second, this is just the nature of the business.  Most Michigan fans didn't hold back during Tatoogate because their basketball cheating scandal was exponentially worse and Ohio State fans aren't going to hold back during signgate because Tatoogate happened.  That just isn't how these things work. 

This is very true. What has always drawn me back to this board is how the group discusses difficult topics as opposed to the crazy extremists on either side. There's just a few times each side has flirted with the extremist side on this one. Looking back on the discussions of tattoogate and the Penn St terrible situation, there's always been some brazen opinions, but the group has largely landed in a reasonable place with some understanding it sucks to be a fan when your program is in the middle of a crummy situation. Life can have too many problems that it's just so much easier when our fanhood doesn't lead us to a situation where our program, players, universities cross moral lines. That just sucks.

[MrNubbz]

If it becomes widely known Ohio State hired a PI firm to spy on Michigan the Buckeyes will be slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves.  Probably already are. 

Just last Friday Michigan/Harbaugh had a chance at a court hearing and took a pass.Why did they roll over and accept a ruling they swore were going to die on that hill if they did nothing wrong? Because as daft as he is Harbaugh knows he can get away with lying to their legions or the culpable Detroit media. Michigan cancelled that TRO faster than they did the 2020 Covid Game. Why have Weiss,Stalions and Partridge been FIRED and Harbaugh's extension put on hold if all of this is a big nothingburger as their canards would have others believe? The farther up the flagpole this goes the more ass is revealed - that's why. This could have favored bettors with inside info also,Vegas is none too happy as the Wolverines were dogged in both contests.

UM Football when their bluff was called

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[MikeDeTiger]

If he did that, I'd think they'd build him a statue.

If he then went on to fight Lou Holthz for charity, they might build him two.  

[MrNubbz]

If Ohio State loses there's better than a 50% chance Day is fired on Sunday.  Some Buckeye fans like Urban Meyer say he'll be fired for sure.

Um,no last year bought him distance but at 11,400,000. he should take a cut - Harbaugh did and we all want to follow his lead

[Mdot21]

there’s zero chance he gets fired if he loses this Saturday.

However, his seat becomes HOT in ‘24. And if he were to lose at home as a heavy favorite - his seat would start to get flaming hot and he could possibly be out and he would 100000% be coaching for his job in THE GAME in ‘25.

[ELA]

Yeah, as much as Michigan is the better team and at home this year, that flips next year