2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Honestbuckeye]

Seems to me the only thing being unsubstantiated in this thread is false narratives about blaming other schools.  


There are plenty of facts already out that Michigan did cross the line. Suspensions, resignations and terminations support that. 

But this thread dies down nicely until UM posters start throwing shit  against the wall.  Shit that has literally no basis in fact , or even circumstantial evidence. Just made up.  Shit that has lead to repeated death threats. 

If someone wants to whine about the OSU coach, or claim that Michigan is going to drag down the rest of the conference with all of this damming evidence how others do it, at least present some factual evidence. 

Stop with the “ just because I said so”

[medinabuckeye1]

They aren’t jumping into the Fray. Look at this thread alone. It could be completely silent and then it’s post after post of non-UM constantly talking about it with nothing new. Posting pictures of Stallions on the sideline with arrows. It’s obsessive and because if it a normal human will eventually respond, even the university President.

Stallions was on the sidelines! Ground breaking. He was probably stealing signs. Ground breaking! Yet we still have no idea the involvement nor knowledge of anyone else at the university.

Did they cross a line? Probably. But it’s also comical that so many fans are acting like their teams is always taking the high road like their team would never steal a sign and anyone thinking otherwise is a deflecting, cheater supporter and this college football game is littered with perfect moral code everywhere outside Ann Arbor. It gets old.

Nobody here said that.  

Michigan cheated and got caught.  There is no dispute about that.  

Other programs have cheated in the past and gotten away with it.  Ok, not disputing that.  I once watched a NC Game in which Auburn had a QB that was paid (IIRC) half a million to play for them (pre NIL when this was not permitted).  It has happened.  

Taking a view most favorable to your defense:
Lets say you are driving up I271 (for those unaware, @SuperMario lives near me and we've met so this is a road local to us).  Now lets say you are driving 80 MPH and I pass you doing 90 MPH.  Shortly after I pass you, I drive past a U-turn and right after I pass that U-turn, a cop pulls in, sets up his radar, and clocks you doing 80 MPH.  @Roaddawg then pulls out, pulls you over, and gives you a ticket for doing 80 in a 65.  

Your defense is that @medinabuckeye1 was driving faster.  Sorry dude, no dice.  Medina didn't get caught and you did.  That doesn't mean Medina didn't break the limit but whether or not Medina broke the limit has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Mario now has to pay a fine because he got caught driving 15 MPH over the limit.  

Any cop, judge, prosecutor, or for that matter defense attorney will tell you that the "other people drove faster" defense is a non-starter.  

[SuperMario]

So let me get this straight. There’s absolutely no facts that Ryan Day and his PI brother were not involved and he’s a saint that turned in cheaters.

There’s tons of facts that Jim Harbaugh is a scumbag cheater that sucked before he started cheating in 2021 and shame on anyone defending his career getting destroyed even though all the facts prove he cheated.

That’s basically what’s happening. So please, when your corner takes the moral high ground, it’s not well received because so much of your corner is approaching just like I described. Not saying you are by any means, but reasonableness from most fans has been out the window for a while.

[SuperMario]

Nobody here said that. 

Michigan cheated and got caught.  There is no dispute about that. 

Other programs have cheated in the past and gotten away with it.  Ok, not disputing that.  I once watched a NC Game in which Auburn had a QB that was paid (IIRC) half a million to play for them (pre NIL when this was not permitted).  It has happened. 

Taking a view most favorable to your defense:
Lets say you are driving up I271 (for those unaware, @SuperMario lives near me and we've met so this is a road local to us).  Now lets say you are driving 80 MPH and I pass you doing 90 MPH.  Shortly after I pass you, I drive past a U-turn and right after I pass that U-turn, a cop pulls in, sets up his radar, and clocks you doing 80 MPH.  @Roaddawg then pulls out, pulls you over, and gives you a ticket for doing 80 in a 65. 

Your defense is that @medinabuckeye1 was driving faster.  Sorry dude, no dice.  Medina didn't get caught and you did.  That doesn't mean Medina didn't break the limit but whether or not Medina broke the limit has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Mario now has to pay a fine because he got caught driving 15 MPH over the limit. 

Any cop, judge, prosecutor, or for that matter defense attorney will tell you that the "other people drove faster" defense is a non-starter. 

Lol. First, your example is hilarious. I wish roaddawg posted here still. Good dude.
secondly, I’m personally not claiming rules weren’t broken and justifying them saying everyone is doing it.

here’s the part you’re missing. After the cop gives me the ticket for speeding. You run around and grab a megaphone in my neighborhood that I’m a scumbag because I was speeding and got caught and no one anywhere ever drives over the speed limit and the guy that got caught is the scum of the earth and deserves to lose his license forever.

[Cincydawg]

The key for me is whether this conferred advantage to Michigan in games.  If it did, and is proven (more or less), they deserve considerable penalties.

It's still possible that didn't happen.  

[Temp430]

So let me get this straight. There’s absolutely no facts that Ryan Day and his PI brother were not involved and he’s a saint that turned in cheaters.

There’s tons of facts that Jim Harbaugh is a scumbag cheater that sucked before he started cheating in 2021 and shame on anyone defending his career getting destroyed even though all the facts prove he cheated.

That’s basically what’s happening. So please, when your corner takes the moral high ground, it’s not well received because so much of your corner is approaching just like I described. Not saying you are by any means, but reasonableness from most fans has been out the window for a while.

If it becomes widely known Ohio State hired a PI firm to spy on Michigan the Buckeyes will be slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves.  Probably already are.  

[medinabuckeye1]

So let me get this straight. There’s absolutely no facts that Ryan Day and his PI brother were not involved and he’s a saint that turned in cheaters.

AFAIK, there are no facts at all on this issue. Note, however, that it isn't even an issue except that Michigan defenders possibly including employees have tossed out this completely unfounded allegation. If this allegation has any support, let's see it.

Note that even if Ryan Day and/or his brother are behind Michigan getting caught that does NOT imply any illegal, unethical, or otherwise impermissible conduct by Ryan Day, his brother, The Ohio State University, or anyone else other than the University of Michigan and their employees.

There’s tons of facts that Jim Harbaugh is a scumbag cheater that sucked before he started cheating in 2021 and shame on anyone defending his career getting destroyed even though all the facts prove he cheated.

Well there are facts demonstrating to the satisfaction of the NCAA and the B1G that Harbaugh's program began cheating in 2021. Prior to that he had five losses to Ohio State and one game not played because he claimed that his team (which royally sucked that year) had COVID. If you want to know if he sucked in 2020 and prior, please refer to basically any post by @Mdot21 from that era.

[FearlessF]

The key for me is whether this conferred advantage to Michigan in games.  If it did, and is proven (more or less), they deserve considerable penalties.

It's still possible that didn't happen. 

doesn't matter a lick to me
it broke a rule and for the sole intent to gain an advantage
whether it really did or not isn't important
besides, tough to determine how much it helped

[medinabuckeye1]

If it becomes widely known Ohio State hired a PI firm to spy on Michigan the Buckeyes will be slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves.  Probably already are. 

Please answer these three questions:

If Ohio State hired a PI firm to protect the integrity of the game from Michigan's cheating, what is wrong with that? 

Why would I be embarrassed by that?

You seem to be implying that I should be more embarrassed by the allegation of my school hiring a PI firm to catch a cheater than you should be by the fact that your school cheated. Is that your position?

[Honestbuckeye]

If it becomes widely known Ohio State hired a PI firm to spy on Michigan the Buckeyes will be slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves.  Probably already are. 

You’re correct in that some fans would react that way.  

But sitting here now- there is literally NOTHING to suggest that. NOTHING.   

it is merely a suggestion thrown out there by UM insiders- and the UM faithful are praying it is true.  They seem to think that in some way, it absolves the program from what Stalions did, and all the negative PR that has come with it.  

And think about this objectively- it has lead to repeated death threats to numerous members of a family.  You surely can’t be ok with that?

[Mdot21]

As far as I know, not even the fanatic M fans are debating the fact that Michigan cheated. Are you disputing that?

Are you saying that you think there is some chance that Michigan will not have to vacate two of their three wins over Ohio State from the past 20 years?

AND you think I'm the one having a fantasy?

not disputing anything. was not talking about that at all. 

was talking about how psycho OSU fans are and the pressure that is on Cryin' Ryan aka Born on 3rd Base.

And yes, you are the one having a fantasy if you don't think Day is in serious trouble if he loses THE GAME this weekend. 

Homeboy's seat will be flaming hot in '24 if he loses this weekend. And if he loses in '24 by some miracle- which he shouldn't- he should be the heavy favorite at home- but IF HE DOES lose this weekend and then loses in '24 at home.....there's a greater than 50% chance he's fired. And if he somehow doesn't get fired....in '25 his ass will be coaching for his job in THE GAME and it's 100% he'd get fired if he lost that one.

[FearlessF]

heck, there's gotta be a couple PI Firms that are owned by huge Buckeye fans

they'd be HEROS for doing on their own time and dime!

[SuperMario]

Well there are facts demonstrating to the satisfaction of the NCAA and the B1G that Harbaugh's program began cheating in 2021. Prior to that he had five losses to Ohio State and one game not played because he claimed that his team (which royally sucked that year) had COVID. If you want to know if he sucked in 2020 and prior, please refer to basically any post by @Mdot21 from that era.

Ok. Let’s use your logic.

In the 1990’s, running into early 2000’s, Ohio state couldn’t beat Michigan. They hired a guy that had connections with many donors. Suddenly, the team brings in higher level talent and start winning. CHEATERS. Proven because NCAA sanctions and he lost his job.

and here’s the upcoming response. Not proven not the same because it didn’t impact in game results and decisions. It’s just different.

what’s interesting is Michigan winning Saturday destroys so many arguments. Big stake on both sides for this outcome.

[Temp430]

You’re correct in that some fans would react that way. 

But sitting here now- there is literally NOTHING to suggest that. NOTHING. 

it is merely a suggestion thrown out there by UM insiders- and the UM faithful are praying it is true.  They seem to think that in some way, it absolves the program from what Stalions did, and all the negative PR that has come with it. 

And think about this objectively- it has lead to repeated death threats to numerous members of a family.  You surely can’t be ok with that?

Whether its true or not makes no difference w.r.t. Michigan's situation.  No telling if anyone hopes its true or not.  A lot of Michigan people think it happened for some reason...like finding a giant dog turd in your front yard.  You might think it was your neighbor's St. Bernard.  Unfortunate that death threats happened,  law enforcement should track them down and prosecute to the full extent.