2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Temp430]

So embarrassing for that whole school.

as part of their self delusion and deflection, they desperately grasp at straws for a scapegoat.

despite the fact that they have not one  shred of evidence, and that it’s been fully debunked already, they want to blame their arch rivals coach.

Notice it’s never anyone in their own program that did the dirty deeds?  we’re all still waiting for this “dossier” of dirt they have on other programs.  😂😂😂😂😂😂

Unless the Buckeyes did hire a PI firm and did exactly that.  In my delusion I thought this was a Buckeye turd from the beginning but I'm not in a position to know.  A U of M Regent is.

[Honestbuckeye]

Unless the Buckeyes did hire a PI firm to do exactly that.  In my delusion I thought this was a Buckeye turd from the beginning but I'm not in a position to know.  A U of M Regent is.

Sure.  Since The brass at the University of Michigan has been so objective and correct about all of this.  😂😂😂

Even though it doesn’t appear to even be possible that this came from Ohio State, the humor is basically Michigan is saying:

” hey- they cheated to catch us cheating 😢

[Cincydawg]

I don't now why a regent would know about such things.  He may have been told this happened, but being told a thing and knowing it are ...

Maybe OSU did hire a PI firm, let's see the evidence, and of course doing so wouldn't be against rules.

[Temp430]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU HC Ryan Day, via WBNS-10TV:<br><br>&quot;We've learned a lot about what's gone on the last two years...I don't think it does any good to comment on it right now. There'll be a time and place for that. What matters is this game and getting our guys prepared to go win it.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/CSrbHy9f0H">pic.twitter.com/CSrbHy9f0H</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Broome (@anthonytbroome) <a href="
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/status/1726768929777844662?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



That's right, the only way Michigan could have kicked the Buckeyes' ass the last two years was if they had stolen their signs, even though they had changed them.  Sounds like he's manufacturing an excuse.

[Honestbuckeye]

The other thing about that is this:

-the question is being asked if the arch rival hired a private investigation, firm to catch you cheating, because they couldn’t beat you

-the question everyone else is asking is, did Michigan start cheating because they couldn’t beat their arch rival

now when you look at the evidence that actually exists, including the performance against the rival before, and after the cheating, the performance against the spread before, and after the cheating, clearly one of those questions has strong evidence to support it, while the other is purely, made up with not 1 ounce of evidence to support it

[FearlessF]

LOSER!!!

[Honestbuckeye]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU HC Ryan Day, via WBNS-10TV:<br><br>&quot;We've learned a lot about what's gone on the last two years...I don't think it does any good to comment on it right now. There'll be a time and place for that. What matters is this game and getting our guys prepared to go win it.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/CSrbHy9f0H">pic.twitter.com/CSrbHy9f0H</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Broome (@anthonytbroome) <a href="
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/status/1726768929777844662?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



That's right, the only way Michigan could have kicked the Buckeyes' ass the last two years was if they had stolen their signs, even though they had changed them.

Grasping at straws.  He said nothing of the kind.
meanwhile your head cheater, Harbaugh was talking about his mother’s bathing suit during his press conference yesterday, 😂😂

no Michigan fan has the right to talk about any other coach when you have that bozo in front of a microphone, 

[MaximumSam]

meanwhile your head cheater, Harbaugh was talking about his mother’s bathing suit during his press conference yesterday, 😂😂

Stealing quotes from Ted Lasso. On brand for the program.

[MrNubbz]

Oh is that where he got it? I thought that seemed a little to clever for a guy who routinely seemed dazed and confused

[SuperMario]

 let's see the evidence

Nah.. let’s not do that. Let’s post 15 different Twitter feeds showing the indisputable facts because they’re from a team’s fan base and then claim anyone questioning it is just deflecting. That’s the new normal. And if you just want to wait until the facts come out, you’re just supporting cheating.

[medinabuckeye1]

Hang on. That is a UM Regent, saying those things? Seriously?

Yes

Those types need to stay out of the fray, in my opinion.

This brings me back to a discussion that @SuperMario and I were having about Santa Ono.  

I'll start by saying that I completely agree with @847badgerfan here.  For the University President and now a Regent to jump into this situation publicly is, IMHO, a REALLY bad look.  

A while ago (not clicking back through this 150+ page thread to find it) I had the aforementioned discussion with Mario.  What I stated was that Ono's jumping in was the biggest thing giving me pause about jumping in on this thing 100% from the tOSU side because I thought it would be insane for him to do that unless he knew something.  

I've changed my mind.  It is insane for people like University President Ono and Regent Acker to get into the fray even if they are standing on some solid ground.  Those types need to be the adults in the room who are then capable of coming in after the fact and dealing with the fallout.  By inserting themselves into the controversy they have effectively abandoned that ability.  Simultaneously, they are presenting the impression to the rest of the world that the University of Michigan as an institution actively supports rule breaking.  That is a terrible look to all but the die-hard Michigan fans.  

Note that I was holding off on judgement of the Ono situation BEFORE the revelations last week caused Michigan to drop their suit against the league and fire a coach.  Those things are part of what caused me to change my mind.  It seems apparent that Ono did NOT know those were coming or else he wouldn't have jumped in when he did.  That illustrates one of the major problems with Ono/Acker getting involved now.  It is a truism that you don't know what you don't know.  That is one of the risks for Ono/Acker.  They don't know what they don't know.  This thing *COULD* get worse for Michigan.  The more that happens after Ono/Acker have stepped in, the worse it looks for the University and their "control" over the football program.  

[SuperMario]

They aren’t jumping into the Fray. Look at this thread alone. It could be completely silent and then it’s post after post of non-UM constantly talking about it with nothing new. Posting pictures of Stallions on the sideline with arrows. It’s obsessive and because if it a normal human will eventually respond, even the university President.

Stallions was on the sidelines! Ground breaking. He was probably stealing signs. Ground breaking! Yet we still have no idea the involvement nor knowledge of anyone else at the university.

Did they cross a line? Probably. But it’s also comical that so many fans are acting like their teams is always taking the high road like their team would never steal a sign and anyone thinking otherwise is a deflecting, cheater supporter and this college football game is littered with perfect moral code everywhere outside Ann Arbor. It gets old.

[Temp430]

If delusional Buckeyes think they've been loosing to Michigan due to cheating, all the better.  

[medinabuckeye1]

I don't now why a regent would know about such things.  He may have been told this happened, but being told a thing and knowing it are ...

Maybe OSU did hire a PI firm, let's see the evidence, and of course doing so wouldn't be against rules.

Nah.. let’s not do that. Let’s post 15 different Twitter feeds showing the indisputable facts because they’re from a team’s fan base and then claim anyone questioning it is just deflecting. That’s the new normal. And if you just want to wait until the facts come out, you’re just supporting cheating.

Note that @Cincydawg was asking to see the evidence that tOSU hired a PI firm.  

It is a fair point because this has been thrown out by the Michigan faithful and actually caused Ryan Day and his family to receive death threats but there has been zero evidence.  Bottom line, Ryan Day got death threats because Michigan cheated and lied about it.  

Aside from that, Cincy's comment after the request for evidence is important.  The Michigan "insiders" have been wrong at every step of this process.  Even if we assume that this time they are right and this whole Michigan cheating ring was exposed by Ryan Day/Ohio State, so what?  Are @MrNubbz , @Honestbuckeye , and I supposed to be ashamed that our school caught yours cheating and turned them in to the NCAA?  As I read it this argument boils down to:

• Ohio State fan:  "Michigan cheated"
• Michigan response:  "You turned us in"

Do you Michigan guys actually see this as a "gotcha"?  


Let me just say right here and now, if my school discovered Michigan's cheating and turned them in, that breaks no rules and I'm glad my guys were out there protecting the integrity of the game from the cheaters in Ann Arbor.  

I don't think this is completely impossible.  I think we've all seen the clip from the first drive of The Game last year where Stalions decodes Ohio State's signals and points up to indicate pass then basically the entire Michigan sideline points up (because they were all in on it).  It is entirely possible that the tOSU coaches noticed that (or something like it) when reviewing tape of The Game from 2022 then started digging.  Maybe they looked through Michigan's list of coaches and discovered that one of their names matched a buyer of tickets to multiple Ohio State games during the 2022 season.  Then they could potentially have reviewed surveillance tapes from the stadium and figured out that the guy in the seat bought by Connor Stalions at say the Indiana appeared to be filming the tOSU sideline.  Then maybe they checked with some friendly AD's around the league and discovered that Stalions had bought tickets to games in their stadiums as well, then they went to the NCAA.  

I am not completely ruling out this possibility but I do have two comments about it:
First, see above, it wouldn't bother me in the least nor would it indicate any violation of rules, ethics, or integrity by Ohio State if it was 100% true.  

Second, this is extraordinarily unlikely.  Even if Ohio State did notice this, nobody would assume that the cheaters would be so monumentally stupid as to use THEIR OWN CREDIT CARD to buy the advance scouting tickets.  For now my theory is that this either grew out of the Weiss investigation or there was a whistle-blower.