2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Mdot21]

Possible, but it's also the smart move at this point.

1. Make the case less of a distraction from the outside.
2. Internalize the negative energy and turn it into a positive.
3. Win the B1G.
4. Win the MNC.
5. Booger rides off into the sunset, with his middle finger firmly in air.

I think I agree with this. 

I think it's a smart move to wrap things up with the B1G and finish this crap- rather than drag it out even longer with a legal battle. It's a bad look for the conference if one of it's major brands is in a legal battle with the conference. 

Typically the best idea in most situations is to avoid litigation if possible imo. 

And you're right, Jeem is done at Michigan imo. Going back to the NFL. 

[Mdot21]

For many years after running him off, M fans yearned for Carr-level coaching.

100%. RichRod and Hoke were literal disasters.

LC was a beloved coach until Jim Tressel arrived. Dude went 1-6 vs Tressel. If he was 4-3 or even 3-4 he wouldn't have caught as much shit as he did.

[847badgerfan]

Similar To what Nixon did at Watergate,all of the polls at that time had him ahead on all cards.He didn't need to cheat to win

Funny you mention that.

When Nixon resigned, Michigan alum Gerald Ford took the helm.

[MrNubbz]

Fact:
Michigan cheated. This is no longer alleged as Michigan isn't even disputing the fact that Stallions did orchestrate a system to scout in an effort to steal signs and in violation of NCAA rules.
Fact:
The staffer (Stallions) stood next to coordinators during games and had input in play calls.
Question:
Why did Harbaugh et al allow this "low level" staffer to take up Coordinator time/attention during games?
Reality:
The Michigan staff up to and including Harbaugh knew or should have known what was going on.
New allegation (reported by a Michigan guy as the reason scUM dropped their suit):
At least one staffer beyond Stallions has been shown to be aware.
Pure speculation:
The Michigan posters seem convinced that there was a whistle blower. My guess is that, for once, they are right.

So basically Michigan's position is this

-No one the staff up to and including Harbaugh knew anything about his network,let's call them the Film Crew

-Stalions financed his entire operation completely out of pocket and never filed an expense account?

-Somehow Stalions,on a 55K a year salary,was able to secure a mortgage for a $485K House

-And most importantly, the HC plus the OC & DC let this guy hover around them on the sidelines during a game and call out what set they should be in or what look they should go with. And no one posed the question - Who the hell is this GUY? or where he got all the laminated sheets with the information on them? Sounds legit

IMHO - The Big 10 and NCAA already knew something is askew, the investigation now is to find out how deep it went and how Connor was getting funded.

[Temp430]

The most likely explanation I heard was Michigan's Board of Reagents went around their own counsel, the local counsel, and made a deal in the best interests of something.  In other words, caved.  Also, heard Jim Harbaugh did not agree to this.  Unclear if Michigan's AD or President agreed or not.  Another rumor circulating before this was that Michigan was going to extend Harbaugh's contract the week of the Ohio State game.  Time will tell if that happens or not.

[847badgerfan]

The most likely explanation I heard was Michigan's Board of Reagents went around their own counsel, the local counsel, and made a deal in the best interests of something.  In other words, caved.  Also, heard Jim Harbaugh did not agree to this.  Unclear if Michigan's AD or President agreed or not.

I was going to mention this, which is also why I think he rides off with middle finger firmly in air. Middle finger for all - including his boss and the regents.

[Cincydawg]

Check me to see if I have the scenario correct here.  

Opposition flashes signs to offense (or D).

Stalions on sideline has a playsheet with their signs (many of them anyway).  He looks down and sees "Pass play", maybe with some more detail, like to tight end, or screen, whatever.

He "whispers" to the OC/DC "Pass play" and the DC changes his signs.

This sequence should be pretty obvious on video, no?  

[FearlessF]

yes

no???

[Honestbuckeye]

Check me to see if I have the scenario correct here. 

Opposition flashes signs to offense (or D).

Stalions on sideline has a playsheet with their signs (many of them anyway).  He looks down and sees "Pass play", maybe with some more detail, like to tight end, or screen, whatever.

He "whispers" to the OC/DC "Pass play" and the DC changes his signs.

This sequence should be pretty obvious on video, no? 

And, it is. 

[SuperMario]

Check me to see if I have the scenario correct here. 

Opposition flashes signs to offense (or D).

Stalions on sideline has a playsheet with their signs (many of them anyway).  He looks down and sees "Pass play", maybe with some more detail, like to tight end, or screen, whatever.

He "whispers" to the OC/DC "Pass play" and the DC changes his signs.

This sequence should be pretty obvious on video, no? 

Correct.. and none of that breaks the rules nor does it clearly demonstrate rules were violated to the other staff.

[Honestbuckeye]

The most likely explanation I heard was Michigan's Board of Reagents went around their own counsel, the local counsel, and made a deal in the best interests of something.  In other words, caved.  Also, heard Jim Harbaugh did not agree to this.  Unclear if Michigan's AD or President agreed or not.  Another rumor circulating before this was that Michigan was going to extend Harbaugh's contract the week of the Ohio State game.  Time will tell if that happens or not.

To be clear, there is no “ deal”. 

Michigan got nothing.  They voluntarily pulled their TRO request- which dismissed with prejudice.

If you read the statement released by the University, it is nothing like the statement released by the big 10.  Polar opposites.

You need to stop believing the stream of BS that has been fed to you by “Michigan insiders”.  They have been dead wrong in everything.  And they dragged the fan base with them.

The Big Ten did not stop It’s investigation because there never was a Big Ten investigation. The conference does not have an investigative arm or any investigation employees. They only got involved because the NCAA presented them with evidence and they felt the evidence was so strong and urgent that they had to step in because it involved games this season.

there could be any number of reasons why Michigan did such a violent about face from just a few days ago, where it was all about “us against everybody“ and”bet” and “ we have a manifesto, and we’re going to bring the other conference members down with us”

there is a lot of speculation out there as to the Y, but eventually it will all come out.  Rumors of even more evidence and other coaches, being involved, rumors of the CMU thing having blown up, and several other rumors.  A Ton of smoke, but who knows. 

[Cincydawg]

The scenario is pretty limited on time, obviously a no huddle renders it ineffective.  While the offense is looking for the sign and reading whatever is on their wrists, the defense has to look for their signs, and adjust accordingly.  

And of course the alleged rule breaking occured much earlier.  This is how it would be implemented to advantage, if it was.

[Honestbuckeye]

And, it is.

I will add- that is not against the rules.  

If the knowledge of those signs was obtained via advanced in person scouting and recording- that majorly breaks the rules.  And that was what the Big ten said they received overwhelming evidence of, from the NCAA

[medinabuckeye1]

biggest cheating scandal? That’s a pretty big leap when in reality nothing new came out today outside of Harbaugh not fighting the suspension. When in reality, we don’t truly know the reason why. Your side will immediately jump to “because he’s guilty and got caught.” While that could be true, we don’t know if it is.

Secondly, you’re going to call this deflecting, but it’s beyond comical that you jump to worst case scenario for Michigan calling them the biggest cheaters ever yet you completely dismiss Ohio State’s scandal and claim “big deal it was just tattoos.”

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7217079/ncaa-slaps-ohio-state-buckeyes-failure-monitor-charge

Just tattoos is a sham and Ohio State made deals to keep the ncaa from digging more or simply they both agreed that the truth needed to be kept quiet so the money making machine could keep going.

As someone that personally was in the circle of people involved, it was not simply minor dollar amounts for a charity event. And without risking one of the most powerful families in NEO trying to track down the person behind my name if I share details, I’ll just leave it there.

So to knock Michigan, the probably made an agreement so the details will not truly be known so the money machine can keep going, but their biggest rival certainly has done the same.

I'm not responding to "I know something bad about Ohio State but I can't tell you what it is, nor how bad, nor how I know."