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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1946 on: November 15, 2023, 03:19:02 PM »
We do know that. Their coaches have stated that publicly.

They indicated that they were for warned by multiple other teams, and that they actually didn’t just changed their signals, but they used dummy signals to confuse Michigan
and we do know that OSU changed their signs last year and had Michigan's signs and still got their asses kicked in Columbus. And every team uses dummy signals....

So make of that what you will.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1947 on: November 15, 2023, 03:20:41 PM »
The TCU thing could be pivotal, I think, IF it is true (and not just from unnamed sources).  I wonder if UGA did the same thing.  I was mystified how TCU could hang with UM, much less beat them.  Then UGA, who seemed to me to be on a par with UM, ran them completely out of the state.


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1948 on: November 15, 2023, 03:21:58 PM »
I haven't seen any of this, and it's immaterial.  I think the Weiss investigation is unrelated, but I think it seems incredibly likely that the investigation of those computer crimes is what exposed this.  Purely speculative, but that seems like the most likely source to me, considering the NCAA likes to be willfully ignorant
there is nothing but speculation and jumping to conclusions. the Weiss story broke 8-9 months ago. if this was connected, we likely would've heard/seen how by now...

Stallions was CLEARLY extremely sloppy with his whole advanced in-person scouting ring. would be REALLY easy for anyone to find out- and he obviously used a lot of other people to carry this scheme out- any one of them could've sung like a canary. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1949 on: November 15, 2023, 03:24:13 PM »
I think the fact that UNLV is #1 is either an issue or a big red flag.
I agree but I think the fact that they are beating the spread is much less of a red flag than the opposite would be. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1950 on: November 15, 2023, 03:24:16 PM »
The TCU thing could be pivotal, I think, IF it is true (and not just from unnamed sources).  I wonder if UGA did the same thing.  I was mystified how TCU could hang with UM, much less beat them.  Then UGA, who seemed to me to be on a par with UM, ran them completely out of the state.
you are seriously over-thinking things....it's pretty simple. Michigan didn't take TCU seriously, played a sloppy ass game, got boned by the refs on a clear TD only to fumble the ball on the very next play at TCU's 1 yard line- and a bunch of 18-22 year olds on TCU blew their wad on a Michigan team they spent a month plus preparing for.

Upsets happen. Once TCU blew their wad on Michigan and only had a week and not an entire month plus to prepare for a team SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than them- and more talented than Michigan- well, it's a wrap.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1951 on: November 15, 2023, 03:27:45 PM »
I see it as roughly the same as when UGA plays Kent State.  UGA can play terribly and still win 37-21.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1952 on: November 15, 2023, 03:29:48 PM »
I see it as roughly the same as when UGA plays Kent State.  UGA can play terribly and still win 37-21.
except it's not the same. TCU had 8 NFL draft picks in the 2023 NFL draft- which was the 3rd most of any program in college football- including a 1st RD WR- and was QB'd by like a 300 year old 6th year SR Heisman finalist QB. Does Kent State even have 8 NFL draft picks in the last 15 years combined let alone one single draft?

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1953 on: November 15, 2023, 03:34:01 PM »
yeah just looked it up. Kent State hasn't had a player drafted since 2014. Since 2010 they've had only 3 players drafted in total...

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1954 on: November 15, 2023, 03:41:50 PM »
Connor boy didn't file any expense reports in his time at Michigan, per an FOIA that the AP filed. 

Meaning, the athletic department didn't reimburse him for jack shit and was likely unaware of what he was doing.


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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1955 on: November 15, 2023, 03:43:02 PM »
UGA almost never wins a game anything like 65-7.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1956 on: November 15, 2023, 03:48:23 PM »
UGA almost never wins a game anything like 65-7.
And that means what? Oh yeah, nothing.

Again....TCU was a cinderella story that blew their entire wad on Michigan- and still BARELY won a game 51-45 in which the losing team threw TWO pick 6's, attempted to go for it on 4th down twice in FG range instead of just taking 6 points with their automatic FG kicker, and had a TD removed from the board by the officials only to fumble the ball on 1st and goal the very next play.

These are 18-22 year old kids. Not robots. TCU basically won their version of the Super Bowl beating a team by the skin of their ass that they had no reason beating in the first place.

Combination of that and Jeem being dog shit in the post-season his entire career at Michigan = them upsetting Michigan only to get steam rolled by a veteran UGA team that was even better and more talented than Michigan.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1957 on: November 15, 2023, 03:56:52 PM »
and we do know that OSU changed their signs last year
This simply cannot be true as the B1G letter makes clear.

Ohio State has a lot of plays, not just three. Also, tOSU frequently runs HUNH where EVERY player on the field has to know EVERY sign.

Maybe if you had Krenzel at QB and you were huddling between snaps, then *MAYBE* you could install a new set of signs in a week.

That isn't the case. Today's offenses require that EVERY player know EVERY sign. Not just the smartest player, nor even the average player, even the slowest guy has to know the signs.

That necessarily has to start in Spring or certainly no later than fall. You can't do that in a week, but you might be able to do it in a month which brings me to:
you are seriously over-thinking things....it's pretty simple. Michigan didn't take TCU seriously, played a sloppy ass game, got boned by the refs on a clear TD only to fumble the ball on the very next play at TCU's 1 yard line- and a bunch of 18-22 year olds on TCU blew their wad on a Michigan team they spent a month plus preparing for.

Upsets happen. Once TCU blew their wad on Michigan and only had a week and not an entire month plus to prepare for a team SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than them- and more talented than Michigan- well, it's a wrap.
Prior to the cheating scandal becoming public, I believed more-or-less exactly what you are saying here.

That still *MIGHT* be possible but now I'm skeptical and Occam's razor does not support your view. The simplest explanation is that Michigan's sign stealing endeavor failed them or even backfired.

I'll also add this because it is more circumstantial evidence:
CJ Stroud is a lock for NFL Rookie of the Year and making a case for greatest Rookie QB NFL season in history.

Ohio State's offense last year, with the aforementioned Stroud at QB was unstoppable most of last year. They even scored 41 on a Georgia team that, according to you was:
more talented than Michigan
That unstoppable tOSU offense with soon-to-be NFL Rookie of the Year and arguably best NFL Rookie QB in history scored (checks notes) three points against Michigan in the Second half last year and 23 total.

It is possible that Michigan just played way above themselves in the tOSU game.

It is possible that CJ Stroud just randomly happend to have a REALLY bad half against Michigan last year.

It is possible that Michigan had an astonishingly bad day against TCU.

It is possible that TCU had an unbelievably good day against Michigan last year.

It is possible that TCU had an astonishingly bad day against Georgia last year.

It is possible that Georgia had an unbelievably good day against TCU last year.

None of those things are individually impossible. The probability of all of those things being true is extremely slim.

Occam's razor says that the more likely explanation is that Michigan's cheating made them look better than they were against tOSU and their inability to cheat made them look worse against TCU.

The above may not be the case but the fact that it is now the simplest and most likely explanation is Michigan's fault so if you don't like it, address your objections to Schembechler Hall.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1958 on: November 15, 2023, 04:01:52 PM »
This simply cannot be true as the B1G letter makes clear.

Ohio State has a lot of plays, not just three. Also, tOSU frequently runs HUNH where EVERY player on the field has to know EVERY sign.

Maybe if you had Krenzel at QB and you were huddling between snaps, then *MAYBE* you could install a new set of signs in a week.

That isn't the case. Today's offenses require that EVERY player know EVERY sign. Not just the smartest player, nor even the average player, even the slowest guy has to know the signs.

That necessarily has to start in Spring or certainly no later than fall. You can't do that in a week, but you might be able to do it in a month which brings me to:Prior to the cheating scandal becoming public, I believed more-or-less exactly what you are saying here.

That still *MIGHT* be possible but now I'm skeptical and Occam's razor does not support your view. The simplest explanation is that Michigan's sign stealing endeavor failed them or even backfired.

I'll also add this because it is more circumstantial evidence:
CJ Stroud is a lock for NFL Rookie of the Year and making a case for greatest Rookie QB NFL season in history.

Ohio State's offense last year, with the aforementioned Stroud at QB was unstoppable most of last year. They even scored 41 on a Georgia team that, according to you was:That unstoppable tOSU offense with soon-to-be NFL Rookie of the Year and arguably best NFL Rookie QB in history scored (checks notes) three points against Michigan in the Second half last year and 23 total.

It is possible that Michigan just played way above themselves in the tOSU game.

It is possible that CJ Stroud just randomly happend to have a REALLY bad half against Michigan last year.

It is possible that Michigan had an astonishingly bad day against TCU.

It is possible that TCU had an unbelievably good day against Michigan last year.

It is possible that TCU had an astonishingly bad day against Georgia last year.

It is possible that Georgia had an unbelievably good day against TCU last year.

None of those things are individually impossible. The probability of all of those things being true is extremely slim.

Occam's razor says that the more likely explanation is that Michigan's cheating made them look better than they were against tOSU and their inability to cheat made them look worse against TCU.

The above may not be the case but the fact that it is now the simplest and most likely explanation is Michigan's fault so if you don't like it, address your objections to Schembechler Hall.
Nah. Not reading that. Too much wordy bullshit. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1959 on: November 15, 2023, 04:05:36 PM »
Nah. Not reading that. Too much wordy bullshit.
Well then stop saying tOSU changed their signs because it isn't true.

Your program is cheating scum and now you are an admitted liar.

 

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