2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Mdot21]

It is also pretty clear that there are repercussions for breaking rules that others had adhered to

rules were made to be broken. fortune favors the bold.

"Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind."

Stop being lazy guys.

[MrNubbz]

this is my response to the ncaa and b1g...

Good pack your shit an go Walviegansta,but if you're going to act like them off the field at least try playing like them on it - sans the cheap shots

[MrNubbz]

rules were made to be broken. fortune favors the bold.

"Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind."

Stop being lazy guys.

Have the men with the nets adjust your dosage

[MikeDeTiger]

rules were made to be broken. fortune favors the bold.

"Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind."

Stop being lazy guys.

I don't know what you do for a living, but you should consider running for office in my home state.  You seem to really understand our brand of politics, and you can get hella-rich in the process.  

"I am where I am because I had the balls to break the rules.  Quit whining and quit being lazy."  I swear that is the slogan of a winning governor's campaign in BR if I ever heard one.  

[SuperMario]

• 13-0 B1G Champion Michigan
• 13-0 SEC Champion Georgia
• 13-0 ACC Champion Florida State
• 12-1 P12 Champion Oregon
• 12-1 B12 Champion Texas
• 12-1 P12CG participant Washington
• 11-1 non-Champion Ohio State
• 11-2 SECCG participant Alabama

Seeing it posted like this is really helpful to better feel/understand your point. Honestly, it's one thing to say an undefeated team vs a 1 loss team and think there's no comparison, but teams often stumble randomly and don't bring their best game and if a team blatantly crossed a rule line, it could have helped them avoid that one stumbling block and is that team much more worthy that another conference champ that had one stumbled Saturday? Definitely understand that perspective.

Finally, I'm frankly shocked by the response of the institution.  If I were Ono, I'd stay as far away from this as possible.  By sticking his head in, he is taking a substantial risk that he is going to end up going down with this thing.  Why?  Ono's job isn't to win football games.  His job is to run a world-class University.  If this were my school, I'd feel like the alums that @ELA talked about.  I'd be embarrassed.  I want my school to win football games but not at the expense of my degree.  I wouldn't want my school to cheat to do it. 
  

Rain man reference was hilarious. Also, i actually get your point about the video of the coaches on the sideline and I think that's where I'm not forming a firm opinion until more comes out. The optimistic side of me hopes the coaches all thought Stallions was doing similar work like what OSU and Rutgers prepared for Purdue and he was just "rain man" compared to everyone else, yet the pessimistic side of me considers that all the coaches knew and they collectively decided it was a stupid and dated rule and they said let's roll the dice. Somewhere in the middle and anything any distance from the forward is bad.

Lastly, this last paragraph i quoted above is what makes me wonder the most. I completely agree with that take of the responsibility of Ono and the position the University should take if there's at least reasonably solid proof of what went on.. OR they're stupid.. So it makes me wonder is Harbaugh and staff just trying to cover what they can to save their jobs and Ono is making a bad judgment call or stupid.. OR after sitting through meetings with Big10/NCAA do they know far more than the media and "sources" and there's more to the story or the picture isn't being painted correctly. 

Listen, I think anyone that puts a vested interest in a team, university, company, etc hopes for the latter. No one with integrity wants to root for cheaters, dirtbags or people so clueless they don't know right from wrong.. so I'm hoping it's the latter although the forward could also be very possible and I'll be pissed that they brought shame to the University. 

[MaximumSam]

don't forget the pedo that was a support staffer...

And the Ballad of Shemy Schembechler

[betarhoalphadelta]

Michigan's defense is don't punish Jim Harbaugh without proving he was a part of the scheme or knew about it and covered it up- without doing a complete and thorough investigation- which the Big Ten has CLEARLY NOT DONE (it'd literally be impossible for them to do so in such a short time span) and giving him due process and a chance to defend himself.

Except the Big Ten clearly stated in the letter announcing the punishment that they were punishing the INSTITUTION and not Harbaugh. This wasn't a punishment of Harbaugh:

We impose this disciplinary action even though the Conference has not yet received any information indicating that Head Football Coach Harbaugh was aware of the impermissible nature of the sign-stealing scheme. This is not a sanction of Coach Harbaugh. It is a sanction against the University that, under the extraordinary circumstances presented by this offensive conduct, best fits the violation because: (1) it preserves the ability of the University’s football student-athletes to continue competing; and (2) it recognizes that the Head Coach embodies the University for purposes of its football program.

Now, public perception is that it was a punishment of Harbaugh. But the public is stupid and doesn't pay attention or read anything beyond the headline. That's on them. 

[MaximumSam]

As a serious note, big time college football is finally figuring out it is a professional organization given the product is worth hundreds of millions. The old timey school of discipline (vacated games, scholarship reductions) are practically laughable. They are trying to move to a newer model, but there isn't any uniform leadership, so what that could be is anyone's guess. Professional leagues typically take away draft picks, not something that applies here. 

[FearlessF]

they have been known to limit scholarships

[SuperMario]

I guess what I would say to that is according to the Big Ten, there has been no proof of these allegations whereas they have proof of the Michigan allegations.  If there is proof that Ohio State violated NCAA rules regarding this, I think I would be the first to say they should be punished.

From my understanding (which could be wrong), it was submitted to the NCAA, not the BIG10, which is why the Big Ten stated they did not have any proof of the allegations. Again, that could be UM creating haze and distraction. 

[betarhoalphadelta]

they have been known to limit scholarships

Does that matter to a school with the $$$$$ of Michigan boosters in the era of NIL? 

I frankly feel the next shoe to drop in the NIL world is going to be teams stockpiling talented "walk ons" to get around scholarship limits. 

[MaximumSam]

Does that matter to a school with the $$$$$ of Michigan boosters in the era of NIL?

I frankly feel the next shoe to drop in the NIL world is going to be teams stockpiling talented "walk ons" to get around scholarship limits.

I think they are already doing it, though the transfer portal acts as a bit of a check against teams hoarding talent.

[Cincydawg]

You can only play so many players obviously.  I would guess nearly all of the 4+ stars think they'll make the NFL if only they can play.  Look at Bo Nix.

[utee94]

I think the kinds of guys that are getting paid big NIL money, are also typically the types of guys who are likely NFL candidates.  

For those guys, playing time is usually equally as important as current NIL money, so I don't see many of them being willing to languish on the sideline and lose the chance at getting the playing time that will get them to the NFL.

In general the portal will act as a clearinghouse and the "NIL stockpiling non-playing talent" will not be much of an issue.