2023 Michigan Season Thread

[Temp430]

Michigan's response to the Big Ten

https://footballscoop.com/news/here-is-michigans-10-page-letter-to-the-big-ten

[CatsbyAZ]

Again, nobody is saying Michigan only won because of this.  But the timeline sure lines up with them getting over the hump from 10-2 to CFP.  And that defense sure looks a lot different both times they were forced to face a team they didn't know in advance.

This is a useful point. Knowing how much sign stealing played into Michigan's last one or two games Vs Ohio State (see below), games which they finally overcame the Buckeyes, it's worth pointing to sign stealing as what could very well be the "it" ingredient by which Michigan made the rare jump from 10-2 to CFP. We see very few teams make this jump with any successive consistency - teams like Clemson managed it but even LSU, with the talent to usually do so, needed a talent like Joe Borrow, and that only lasted for one season.


https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1720085113508384784

In other news, any word from Central Michigan on whether their investigation has turned up who the suspected Sideline Stalions character was? Seems an easy thing to check? And since this occurred at Michigan State's stadium, is MSU pressuring CMU for an answer? It would've been on CMU's word who was allowed the sideline visitor's credentials?

Or is CMU just hiding beyond the term "investigation" to slow-walk everything?

[Temp430]

Letter from Coach Harbaugh's Attorney to the Big Ten


https://detroitsportsnation.com/leaked-10-page-letter-from-jim-harbaughs-attorney-to-big-ten/wgbrady/college-sports/u-of-m-news/11/09/2023/433589/

[Mdot21]

anyone else over talking about this stuff? exhausting. how many times can you beat a dead horse? let's just wait and see what happens instead of speculate maybe? 

[Temp430]

Not me, I'd love to see this shoved right back up Petitti's ass as well as the chicken shit ADs and coaches that scammed him.  Worried about player safety...comical.  This is a personal attack on Harbaugh because he's that good.

Petitti can save some face if he comes out and admits his mistake and says coach to player helmet comms will be allowed in Big Ten games immediately.

[Mdot21]

Not me, I'd love to see this shoved right back up Petitti's ass as well as the chicken shit ADs and coaches that scammed him.  Worried about player safety...comical.  This is a personal attack on Harbaugh because he's that good.

Petitti can save some face if he comes out and admits his mistake and says coach to player helmet comms will be allowed in Big Ten games immediately.

it's a personal attack on Jeem imo but not because he's that good. it's because he's taken a clear stand against the NCAA on things like NIL, portal, and now talking about revenue sharing with the players. NCAA/B1G obviously don't want revenue sharing with players- you know- the people that actually generate the billions of dollars- being that they are greedy money grubbing whores. NCAA is trying to shut him the f up and get him the f out of CFB and back to the NFL imo.

[Temp430]

LOL.  Michigan's response on the evidence provided to Michigan by the Big Ten:

"The only evidence you have provided us is:

(1) records of Stalions's ticket purchases and transfers, and those tickets' usage at games;

(2) one unsolicited tip by an unidentified person who claims to have seen someone filming the sidelines at a game, though we are not able to identify either the tipster or the person they claim was filming the sidelines, or confirm any connection to Stalions;

(3) a link to a public article that includes a now-deleted video, which we have not seen, of Stallons on the sidelines of a Michigan game, and

(4) a short video titled "UMass vs PSU video" that does not clearly show anything at all.
The evidence you have actually provided to us is insufficient to prove the violations you allege, much less to allow Michigan to dispute particular points of fact or offer mitigation."


What kind of idiots are running Policy and Compliance at the Big Ten front office?  Your average middle schooler could do a better job.

[MaximumSam]

People just generally don't like Harbaugh. He got run off from the 49ers because he didn't get along with the general manager. Apparently he and Warde Manuel don't get along. The Big Ten coaches don't seem to like him. A lot of his former players leave and don't have great things to say, either.

[Mdot21]

People just generally don't like Harbaugh. He got run off from the 49ers because he didn't get along with the general manager. Apparently he and Warde Manuel don't get along. The Big Ten coaches don't seem to like him. A lot of his former players leave and don't have great things to say, either.

this is all 100% accurate and true. Jeem is an autistic/CTE asshole weirdo. No doubt about that. 

Even a guy who played for him at Stanford and hates him- Richard Sherman- is defending him over this whole sign stealing scandal- which Sherman says is BS and a witch hunt. 

[SuperMario]

First of all- the majority of screaming “ cheater” is coming from the Michigan posters here, including you now.  Think about that for a minute.

You mean Ryan Day, the current best winning percentage among active coacheddagainst rank teams?  Versus cheater cheater, booger eater, who hasn’t won a fucking thing yet.  What’s his record against rank teams? What’s his bowl record? What’s his record in college football playoff?

Stop slurping the cheater dude.  It is very unbecoming.

Now you’re grasping at straws.  I’m sure the coaches and athletic directors at those 11 stadiums would strongly disagree with you.

But hey Michigan get caught cheating again, but look over there at Ohio State  😂😂😂😂😂

As much as Day lives in your head rent free- you look like a complete dufus trying to blame him for your coaching staff’s blatant cheating- especially given you have ZERO evidence to back it up.

You like the cheating?  I thought more of you than that.  True colors. I guess. 

Agreed. But that doesn’t fix the cheating that just took place. Huge competitive advantage on the field. 

Let’s face it,

Your Ann Arbor Astros and cheater cheater booger eater, are busted.

Such a stupid take.

If your signals are bad enough to be figured out on game day by the opposing team that you’re fucking problem.

But when you send people into your stadium to record your plays and signs and have plenty of time to study them ahead of time, so you clearly know what the other team is running, that is huge cheating and there’s no place for that in the game. It’s disgusting and people defending it are disgusting

Just stop.  Booger eater cheater cheater has the worst winning percentage against Ohio State than Ryan does versus Michigan. 
Quit defending the blatant cheating. It’s making you look like a real a-hole

Source:  Bullshit. 

try as you might this is not about Ohio State.  This is about your team getting caught blatantly cheating.  You can deflect all you want but you’re going to have to internally deal with it. 

I was wrong, it's not OSU fans screaming cheater nor is it your claim of Michigan fans, it's you. This is simply from 10 pages of posts and I could keep going. You have continued to call Michigan fans delusional, dufus among many other inflammatory posts.  To be honest, after reading so many, there's a lot of fair takes from many other people and some initial reaction takes when the media started flowing the story.  As someone that has really enjoyed posting with you for MANY years, you should take a step back and realize that some see it different than you, which is ok. Either side can be wrong when all the details start coming out, but there's a reason most aren't accepting nor considering your take on this topic at all.

[MaximumSam]

If I was Pee Titty I'd take the tack to send people to ensure Michigan isn't cheating now. Send some people that can be on the sideline or whatever. I don't see suspending Harbaugh as something that solves any problems.

[Temp430]

Pathetic that some of the coaches who complained to the Big Ten that Michigan was cheating by stealing signs have themselves been cheating all along.

[Honestbuckeye]

I was wrong, it's not OSU fans screaming cheater nor is it your claim of Michigan fans, it's you. This is simply from 10 pages of posts and I could keep going. You have continued to call Michigan fans delusional, dufus among many other inflammatory posts.  To be honest, after reading so many, there's a lot of fair takes from many other people and some initial reaction takes when the media started flowing the story.  As someone that has really enjoyed posting with you for MANY years, you should take a step back and realize that some see it different than you, which is ok. Either side can be wrong when all the details start coming out, but there's a reason most aren't accepting nor considering your take on this topic at all.

Wow. you sure did spend a lot of time cutting and pasting my responses to others, in some kind of a weird attempt to falsely make it look like those were my responses to you.  Meanwhile you’re not reading the other University of Michigan posters here are you?  The the claim “delusional is a gross miss understatement. 

You’re the one who needs to take a step back my friend. Is your memory OK? Do you remember posting yesterday? Accusing other schools of cheating? And your two UM poster buds here.

Even in Michigan’s legal response, as I pointed out yesterday, there’s no remote attempt to deny wrongdoing.  It is just procedural maneuvering to delay judgment so they can play out their  season.

I will say this for you again and then I’m not going to respond to you anymore because I just don’t think you’re looking at it levelheaded.

I couldn’t care less about the punishment if there is even going to be any because it isn’t going to change what already happened.

I had hoped that at least one University of Michigan fan on here would take the highroad and just come out and say :

OK what happened was wrong and should never of happened. We don’t know if others do it. That’s still being investigated but it happened for sure in our house and it shouldn’t have. We don’t know who on the staff should be held accountable because that still being investigated, but regardless, we acknowledge that this did happen, and it should never of happened. 

but instead of that, I have to come on here and read every excuse and deflection in the book, including blaming another coach, who incidentally received death threats from those false accusations, and moronic posts about how everybody’s out to get us. I’m sorry, but that is delusional and there’s no other way to describe it.

thankfully, my daughter, and one other person who is a good friend —of the hundreds of Michigan football fans, I know, actually showed me that not everybody puts their personal routing interest in front of ethics integrity.  I thought I would find some of that here, and especially with you, but obviously nothing could be further from the truth.

Just enjoy CFB.  I sure will.  This isn’t important enough to me to argue with people who have zero integrity.

It is my opinion, just mine so you can’t say anything about I’m claiming others think it - this whole fiasco stains Michigan football in a way that won’t go away for a long, long time.  And the could have easily avoided that with a little transparency, instead of the deny and delay, and accuse others tactics. 

[Cincydawg]

Pathetic that some of the coaches who complained to the Big Ten that Michigan was cheating by stealing signs have themselves been cheating all along.

Which coaches complained and were cheating also?