2023 Michigan Season Thread

[847badgerfan]

He resigned, wasn't fired

I stand corrected.

[Mdot21]

made me chuckle...

[ELA]

Michigan has announced it has hired Williams & Connolly LLP. One of the most prestigious law firms in the US based out of DC.

Legal battle, commenced.

Most recently in the news representing Elizabeth Holmes, of Theranos fame.

Still think it's a bluff to delay things til after the season.  Michigan absolutely does not want to open themselves up to discovery

[betarhoalphadelta]

The individual in question has already been fired, which is the path toward institutional clearance, in my opinion.

Disagree. That may impact [reduce] how the NCAA approaches any penalties, but it doesn't "clear" the institution. 

Institutional benefit (we can argue over how much) accrued due to the rules violations, so institutional penalties would be warranted. 

[Honestbuckeye]

Your continued argument is most people see it your way so it has to be right. A) you can’t prove that B) that’s not a good argument. So much of society are flawed thinkers and cannot critically think. Parenting 101 is just because your friends are doing it doesn’t make it ok. But the majority is doing it so it must be ok.

Secondly, how do you know all the details? Can you share it with the world? We’d like to know how you know these details of how broad and sophisticated this was.

Nobody has disputed the following information which has been widely reported by credible, unbiased sources ( WaPo, SI).  Michigan is not disputing this. 

-Stalions orchestrated advance scouting of Michigan future opponents
- his bigger targets were the strongest in conference opponents. PSU 4 times in 3 years, OSU 8 times in 3 - years
- the scouting also included potential CFP opponents, including Georgia multiple times, Tennessee and TCU
- Total tickets/ games purchased- 35
- Total different stadiums- 17
-total different people used to fill those seats- 65
-100% of the seats were at or near 45-59 yard line , several rows up so opponents sideline was visible
-number of Big Ten schools who ( when asked by NCAA,) who validated these tickets purchased 12 of 13 of the other big schools
-total # of schools who supported with surveillance video of people in those seats recording entire game with cell, unknown but at least 4.
- video of Stalions on at least one UM opponent sideline taping opponent - 1 so far
- live shots of Stalions watching opponents signal’s DURING UM game, and relaying info to DC Jesse Minter and OC Sherrone Moore- unlimited
- number of people who have had the courage to come forward and document that they were hired by Stalions to record potential UM opponents- 1. ( a former Division 3 coach)

Again/ nobody from the Michigan camp including fans, and bought and paid for Michigan Media, or Michigan insiders, has even attempted this dispute any of this.  Instead, they are spending all their time on the excuse list.


-Everyone does it, it was a Ryan Day, it didn’t provide an advantage, he was a rogue, employee, and a Lonewolf, everybody cheats, we’re going to burn the world down, they have a hard on for Harbaugh, they are just scared of us etc. etc. etc.

[Honestbuckeye]

made me chuckle...

That is funny.  Especially the Michigan integrity part. 

everyone should have coaches terminated for computer crimes,  using alcohol to contribute to the delinquency of a female minor a minor, and may be pedophilia, making antisemitic remarks, making racist remarks, and stealing signs.

[MrNubbz]

Hoping Michigan announces a contract extension and raise for Coach Harbaugh shortly.

Ya maybe he can then afford a bigger clip for his "Good Kid" UZI's Glock. Must be tough lugging 3 clips around campus and keeping them out of sight. No need for a Team Captain of his high esteem to almost get an ankle monitor slapped on him 

[MrNubbz]

dickless wonder/Urbz nut slurper Pete Thamel says don't expect any potential punishment from B1G today...

Well if you're going to slurp nuts might as well be to guy who has won 3 NCs.As opposed to Bacon,Balas & Portnoy chowder hounds gobbling up Booger's 1-7 Bowl record

[SuperMario]

Nobody has disputed the following information which has been widely reported by credible, unbiased sources ( WaPo, SI).  Michigan is not disputing this. 

-Stalions orchestrated advance scouting of Michigan future opponents
- his bigger targets were the strongest in conference opponents. PSU 4 times in 3 years, OSU 8 times in 3 - years
- the scouting also included potential CFP opponents, including Georgia multiple times, Tennessee and TCU
- Total tickets/ games purchased- 35
- Total different stadiums- 17
-total different people used to fill those seats- 65
-100% of the seats were at or near 45-59 yard line , several rows up so opponents sideline was visible
-number of Big Ten schools who ( when asked by NCAA,) who validated these tickets purchased 12 of 13 of the other big schools
-total # of schools who supported with surveillance video of people in those seats recording entire game with cell, unknown but at least 4.
- video of Stalions on at least one UM opponent sideline taping opponent - 1 so far
- live shots of Stalions watching opponents signal’s DURING UM game, and relaying info to DC Jesse Minter and OC Sherrone Moore- unlimited
- number of people who have had the courage to come forward and document that they were hired by Stalions to record potential UM opponents- 1. ( a former Division 3 coach)

Again/ nobody from the Michigan camp including fans, and bought and paid for Michigan Media, or Michigan insiders, has even attempted this dispute any of this.  Instead, they are spending all their time on the excuse list.


-Everyone does it, it was a Ryan Day, it didn’t provide an advantage, he was a rogue, employee, and a Lonewolf, everybody cheats, we’re going to burn the world down, they have a hard on for Harbaugh, they are just scared of us etc. etc. etc.

And it's still yet to be determined legally if Stallions paid 3rd parties to record future opposition sidelines if that is actually clearly covered in the rules and violated them. I would agree if Stallions was on the CMU sidelines, that's cut and dry, but it's still not 100% confirmed that was him either. I think it's likely, but no confirmation it was him.

So yeah, when you scream cheater over and over, yet it's not actually determined that Stallions system actually broke the rules or it's in the gray area, people want to dig in and fight back. It's not deflection, it's simply not accepting that's it's clear as day as some vested interested media sources and rival fans are claiming. So you're bullet points aren't being argued, but what is is proof the actions are considered cheating according to the rule book.

Secondly, do you believe third parties videoing on their phones is worse that coaching staff of other schools, who are far more educated on the game, capturing all the signs and sharing them with other staffs in the conference? If Michigan staff called up Georgia last and gave them all the OSU signs, would you think that's less impactful than Georgia assistant bought a ticket for a kid to sit in the stands of the osu v michigan game to record the OSU coaches with his cell phone and ship it back to them?

[Temp430]

Helmet communication approved for non-CFP bowl games.  Glad to hear the Buckeyes will be among the first teams to test them.


https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2023/11/08/sign-stealing-ncaa-helmet-communications-sideline-tablets-in-college-football-bowl-games/71501460007/

[MrNubbz]

Approved being the Key word there

[ELA]

Just realized Antonio Pierce is the Raiders interim coach.  Any thought that the NFL would reject Harbaugh over this is laughable.  They might be too weirded out by him again.  But they could not care less about this shit

[Benthere2]

The individual in question has already been fired, which is the path toward institutional clearance, in my opinion.

my feeling is that the head Coach should know whats going on with his staff.  many other head coaches have had serious penalties when lower level coaches have done things to disgrace the university.

there seems to be a level of something wrong happening at Michigan who is at fault has left the program (scapegoat? fall taker?) but the head coach should have known what was going on and if Jim states he didnt that in itself is enough for many universities to rethink the position.

this in my mind says a lot about Michigan University whether the Big Ten or NCAA does something or not.  allowing the program to come under this much investigating(all the past inquiries included not just the spy gate) would cause most University board of Regents/ Presidents to clean house.  I would also say that Jim is innocent until proven guilty but Jims boss should be having a conversation about how this could happen under Jims supervision

[ELA]

my feeling is that the head Coach should know whats going on with his staff.  many other head coaches have had serious penalties when lower level coaches have done things to disgrace the university.

there seems to be a level of something wrong happening at Michigan who is at fault has left the program (scapegoat? fall taker?) but the head coach should have known what was going on and if Jim states he didnt that in itself is enough for many universities to rethink the position.

this in my mind says a lot about Michigan University whether the Big Ten or NCAA does something or not.  allowing the program to come under this much investigating(all the past inquiries included not just the spy gate) would cause most University board of Regents/ Presidents to clean house.  I would also say that Jim is innocent until proven guilty but Jims boss should be having a conversation about how this could happen under Jims supervision

The NCAA changed it from a rebuttable presumption that the coach knew everything to a fact that the coach is responsible for everything.  So that's why proving what Harbaugh did or didn't know is irrelevant.