2023 Michigan Season Thread

[ELA]

Michigan fired some ballboy or something for trying to get with a 13 year old girl, so things continue to look up

Thank god I'm not a Michigan fan taking a shot every time I've read "low level staffer" over the past 2 weeks.

I'd almost be too drunk for Jim Harbaugh to get behind the wheel.

[utee94]

The damn alternate media out there fighting for the little guy.  Michigan and Texas

Ha!

I guess that's one way to read it.

In that case, he's fighting for the entire sad, underrepresented, B1G Conference.

[ELA]

Ha!

I guess that's one way to read it.

In that case, he's fighting for the entire sad, underrepresented, B1G Conference.

Just wait til we get that West Coast bump

[SuperMario]

 Here’s what I don’t understand. If Michigan has simply been cheating in the eyes of Big 10 coaches and they can’t continue to do what they’ve been doing, why would Penn State or Ohio State want anything more than letting these games play out as normal? According to so many OsU fans, Michigan only won in 2022 and 2021 because Michigan had a competitive advantage from cheating. If that’s the truth, Michigan should have two losses on the field in the next 60 days and letting it play out would prove that more so than bringing the hammer down now.

If Michigan gets beat easily by those two schools, then add punishment of scholarship loss and bowl ban.

The true fear is with this much attention, if Michigan still runs the table, there’s no excuses left.

[Honestbuckeye]

Here’s what I don’t understand. If Michigan has simply been cheating in the eyes of Big 10 coaches and they can’t continue to do what they’ve been doing, why would Penn State or Ohio State want anything more than letting these games play out as normal? According to so many OsU fans, Michigan only won in 2022 and 2021 because Michigan had a competitive advantage from cheating. If that’s the truth, Michigan should have two losses on the field in the next 60 days and letting it play out would prove that more so than bringing the hammer down now.

If Michigan gets beat easily by those two schools, then add punishment of scholarship loss and bowl ban.

The true fear is with this much attention, if Michigan still runs the table, there’s no excuses left.

From reading some of the forums- the overwhelming majority of fans want to play Michigan- badly! But what does that have to to with the 22 game? 

I think you would agree- this years version of OSU is not as good as last year’s.  And this years version of UM is better. 
Last year-the game was in Columbus Ohio state was favored.  This year the game is it, Ann, Arbor, and Michigan will absolutely be favored

Just being honest with you, I have watched the 22 game multiple times on YouTube since this came out.  It looks to me like in the first half Michigan had an idea of what to play calls were, but had an absolute certainty of what they were in the second half.  It’s really obvious actually. 

So hopefully that answers your question. They want to play Michigan this year, but they are pissed because they feel they were cheating last year.  I’m not even saying that’s the right thought process but I’m just answering your question.

Ohio State scored 45 points a game last year, including putting up 41 what was thought to be the best defense in the country, and their own backyard, when they played Georgia.  

Michigan gave up over 50 points to TCU. But somehow Michigan was able to hold Ohio State to three points in the second half of their game, in Columbus, with CJ, Stroud, Marvin, Harrison, and all those guys on Ohio State?  Maybe they just played over their heads. But the optics of it are tough given what is being alleged now. 

[ELA]

Per Vegas, they are valuing what Michigan has been doing at somewhere between 10-20 points per game.

It's all fruit of the poisonous tree.  We saw the roster Michigan trotted out in 2020, based on what their previous results had recruited, without the ability to send scouts to opponents.  You can't just say "well Michigan doesn't have signals now".  Michigan only still employees Harbaugh because he agreed to take a pay cut, and he ducked OSU when he would have lost by 60.  It's not their fault, because I don't believe they all knew, but if you want to find the true results, than Michigan should also suspend all coaches and players who didn't play prior to 2021.  Because their amazing turn didn't just impact the on field results, but the recruits and coaches who didn't start playing until Michigan started *allegedly* cheating

[SuperMario]

It could all be true or Michigan could have been loaded with talent as they had the most players drafted in the NFL by a BIG10 school.

There’s been multiple reports that OsU changed their signs before the game last year because of the sign stealing Michigan rumors. So if they changed the signs, how did Michigan have the competitive advantage from previous viewing of their signs?

Again, your questions and these questions are the cycles that calmer fans think through and talk about. I don’t know if we’ll ever have answers. The one answer we will have is leave suspensions and punishment off the table until this season plays out. More answers will happen that way, than suits in a conference room or conference call will try to provide.

[Mdot21]

From reading some of the forums- the overwhelming majority of fans want to play Michigan- badly! But what does that have to to with the 22 game? 

I think you would agree- this years version of OSU is not as good as last year’s.  And this years version of UM is better. 
Last year-the game was in Columbus Ohio state was favored.  This year the game is it, Ann, Arbor, and Michigan will absolutely be favored

Just being honest with you, I have watched the 22 game multiple times on YouTube since this came out.  It looks to me like in the first half Michigan had an idea of what to play calls were, but had an absolute certainty of what they were in the second half.  It’s really obvious actually. 

So hopefully that answers your question. They want to play Michigan this year, but they are pissed because they feel they were cheating last year.  I’m not even saying that’s the right thought process but I’m just answering your question.

Ohio State scored 45 points a game last year, including putting up 41 what was thought to be the best defense in the country, and their own backyard, when they played Georgia. 

Michigan gave up over 50 points to TCU. But somehow Michigan was able to hold Ohio State to three points in the second half of their game, in Columbus, with CJ, Stroud, Marvin, Harrison, and all those guys on Ohio State?  Maybe they just played over their heads. But the optics of it are tough given what is being alleged now.

Lulz.

Michigan man-handled OSU at the point of attack on BOTH SIDES of the ball in '21. In '22 Michigan's DL man-handled the OSU OL but the Michigan OL was struggling to get the running game going. Michigan OL went right back to MAN-HANDLING the OSU front 7 second half in '22. OSU was selling out to stop the run and blitzing the sh*t out of McCarthy the entire first half and didn't back off until after he lit them up over the top with big plays. Once Dickless Day's DC Knowles kept getting GASHED through the air he had to stop crowding the LOS- and well once that happened Michigan OL went right back to pushing Soft-Day and his merrymen of soft pussies around and the run game starting taking over.

Michigan's DEFENSE gave up 37 points to TCU. And it would've been 30 if DJ Turner didn't whiff on a one-on-one tackle. Ooops...should've had the signs to just make an easy open field tackle.... 

Teams are going to score points in bowl games...especially when they have MONTH PLUS to prepare for one specific team.

[ELA]

From everything I read, you can only change your signals so much with NCAA practice limitations.

I can't imagine Michigan has EVER, even in the RichRod and Hoke years ever fallen below 3rd in talent in the Big Ten.

But I do agree, there is plenty of good reporting, but good reporting doesn't hold up anywhere but the court of public opinion.  Michigan has plenty of good lawyers, paid very handsomely to advise them.  And while deny, deny, deny, and let the NCAA take the banners down after the fact may fly at Auburn or Louisville, I can't possibly imagine the most elitest UM attorney is advising that.  I assume they either (a) think they have a defense or (b) know they are so screwed they might as well hope the NCAA is too timid to act on it.  Because I promise you UM has attorneys way smarter and well paid than me on it, and I truly don't believe as an institution their stance is to just delay, win a title, and see what happens

[Mdot21]

From everything I read, you can only change your signals so much with NCAA practice limitations.

I can't imagine Michigan has EVER, even in the RichRod and Hoke years ever fallen below 3rd in talent in the Big Ten.

But I do agree, there is plenty of good reporting, but good reporting doesn't hold up anywhere but the court of public opinion.  Michigan has plenty of good lawyers, paid very handsomely to advise them.  And while deny, deny, deny, and let the NCAA take the banners down after the fact may fly at Auburn or Louisville, I can't possibly imagine the most elitest UM attorney is advising that.  I assume they either (a) think they have a defense or (b) know they are so screwed they might as well hope the NCAA is too timid to act on it.  Because I promise you UM has attorneys way smarter and well paid than me on it, and I truly don't believe as an institution their stance is to just delay, win a title, and see what happens

it's all about the money my friend. 

NCAA gets paid BILLIONS from TV contracts. B1G gets paid BILLIONS from TV contracts. Michigan makes hundred plus million from it's football program. ESPN/FOX/CBS pay BILLIONS for TV rights.

Not a single one of those entities wants to see their wallets shortened. Michigan football is a TV cash cow. It's easily top 5 in terms of generating TV viewership which in turn generates ad revenue which in turn allows the TV networks to pay NCAA & B1G BILLIONS of dollars. The top 5-6 biggest tv audiences for the sport in America is probably Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, Notre Dame, Texas, and probably UGA- the new IT team of the moment. Bottom line is- they need them. They aren't going to hammer them because: everyone likes money too much.

[ELA]

I agree.  It's why Arizona, Louisville and Kansas skated on the Adidas stuff, while Oklahoma State got a 1 year tournament ban.  I truly don't think anything will come from this, because there is too much money on the line.  Hell, CMU will probably get a one year bowl ban for giving Stallions a sideline pass.

Just wait until the power conferences realize the NCAA is an unnecessary middle man with the tv networks.  I do think what finally calms everything down is the conferences aligning to deal with the networks together.  If they had done that in 2005, we could have avoided all of the realignment, and cut the NCAA out right there.  

[Mdot21]

I agree.  It's why Arizona, Louisville and Kansas skated on the Adidas stuff, while Oklahoma State got a 1 year tournament ban.  I truly don't think anything will come from this, because there is too much money on the line.  Hell, CMU will probably get a one year bowl ban for giving Stallions a sideline pass

how crazy would that be if CMU gets kicked in the balls over this....sounds very NCAA'ish. Make an extreme example out of the little guy and let one of the big boys skirt. 

[Mdot21]

Michigan fired some ballboy or something for trying to get with a 13 year old girl, so things continue to look up

this and Schemy Schembechler's racist ass concerns me far more than stealing some signs....

I swear to Christ does Jeem fcking vet anybody that he hires? Or is he just such a fcking weirdo that he thinks other weirdos are "normal". 

[ELA]

this and Schemy Schembechler's racist ass concerns me far more than stealing some signs....

I swear to Christ does Jeem fcking vet anybody that he hires? Or is he just such a fcking weirdo that he thinks other weirdos are "normal".

He is super impressed by interns in charge of running the MSU pregame scoreboard trivia game