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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1148 on: October 31, 2023, 12:36:10 PM »
I know players don't think about bad calls the same way fans do, and if I had to guess, that's because when you're the one playing the game you can't afford to think like that.  The attitude has to be "It doesn't matter what happens, my job is to win the play and the game."  I've seen former players reminisce about old games and talk about erroneous calls, but it eats at them more in the sense that they didn't overcome it and get the job done....it's very different than hearing fans talk about those moments, where the bad call itself chaps our hide many years later.  In their eyes, their job is to win against whatever they face, not gripe about getting a bad break. 

In light of that, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what I've seen from several former players and a current coach over the past week.  Former UGA qb Aaron Murray does several podcasts, one with a former LSU O-lineman, and at least one more with various former UGA players.  The former LSU OL guy does ESPN radio in Baton Rouge with another former LSU tailback.  

I've heard all of them talking about the Michigan thing this past week.  They pretty much all acknowledge that its against the rules, but to a man, none of them seem to care.  Murray is the harshest about it, but even he's pretty meh on it.  The prevailing attitude seems to be that they all tried to decode the other teams signals when they played, they knew the other teams were trying to get theirs too, and who gives a f, because you still have to go out and play.  A UGA O-lineman--I don't know his name--kind of summed it up when he said he didn't care when he knew a defense had their signals, they still had to stop us and I was gonna make sure to flatten whoever lines up on me whether they know the play or not. 

Current LSU coach Brian Kelly did his weekly appearance on the Finebaum show yesterday and was asked about the scandal.  His answer was basically "everybody is always trying to get your signals, we know that, it's been going on forever, our job is to make sure as best we can that doesn't happen, but also to execute the plays, and it's not our job to fuss if we get figured out, we just have to win games."  Something to that effect.  He didn't weigh in on the part that breaks the rules or what he thinks should happen or anything like that.  Only said people do it, it is what it is, I need to figure out a way to beat Bama, so I don't care. 

This is neither an endorsement of their view nor a critique of it either.  Just interesting how differently people inside the game seem to view things as opposed to fans, and possibly the NCAA.  

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1149 on: October 31, 2023, 12:45:37 PM »
How many extra sacks did hutch have in college because he knew they were throwing.:043:

On Thursday at the NFL Combine, Munford was asked about the play. While he praised Hutchinson as a “great player,” he blamed his technique for failing him. Munford even downplayed how good Hutchinson was when asked if the Michigan defensive lineman represented his toughest matchup.

“Not really (the toughest),” Munford said, via Kyle Meinke of MLive. “Basically my toughest matchup was always practice. So basically, my first two years were Chase Young and Nick Bosa. Blocking those two every day, yeah, you see what they can do in the NFL. So.”
Lol Mumford and sons sucks and Chase Young hasn't done squat in the NFl since his rookie year. Bosa is a fcking STUD though, that's for sure.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1150 on: October 31, 2023, 12:47:18 PM »
I know players don't think about bad calls the same way fans do, and if I had to guess, that's because when you're the one playing the game you can't afford to think like that.  The attitude has to be "It doesn't matter what happens, my job is to win the play and the game."  I've seen former players reminisce about old games and talk about erroneous calls, but it eats at them more in the sense that they didn't overcome it and get the job done....it's very different than hearing fans talk about those moments, where the bad call itself chaps our hide many years later.  In their eyes, their job is to win against whatever they face, not gripe about getting a bad break. 

In light of that, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what I've seen from several former players and a current coach over the past week.  Former UGA qb Aaron Murray does several podcasts, one with a former LSU O-lineman, and at least one more with various former UGA players.  The former LSU OL guy does ESPN radio in Baton Rouge with another former LSU tailback. 

I've heard all of them talking about the Michigan thing this past week.  They pretty much all acknowledge that its against the rules, but to a man, none of them seem to care.  Murray is the harshest about it, but even he's pretty meh on it.  The prevailing attitude seems to be that they all tried to decode the other teams signals when they played, they knew the other teams were trying to get theirs too, and who gives a f, because you still have to go out and play.  A UGA O-lineman--I don't know his name--kind of summed it up when he said he didn't care when he knew a defense had their signals, they still had to stop us and I was gonna make sure to flatten whoever lines up on me whether they know the play or not. 

Current LSU coach Brian Kelly did his weekly appearance on the Finebaum show yesterday and was asked about the scandal.  His answer was basically "everybody is always trying to get your signals, we know that, it's been going on forever, our job is to make sure as best we can that doesn't happen, but also to execute the plays, and it's not our job to fuss if we get figured out, we just have to win games."  Something to that effect.  He didn't weigh in on the part that breaks the rules or what he thinks should happen or anything like that.  Only said people do it, it is what it is, I need to figure out a way to beat Bama, so I don't care. 

This is neither an endorsement of their view nor a critique of it either.  Just interesting how differently people inside the game seem to view things as opposed to fans, and possibly the NCAA. 
Trust me on this. The coaches who have been affected by it, as well as the players who have been affected by it care very, very much.

It’s easy to go out there and find people like Brian, Kelly, and Deion sanders who will say they don’t care. Well, of course they don’t. It did not affect them.

Obviously, the Big Ten coaches and athletic directors have been told to keep their mouth shut


But even with that, if you watch Greg Schiano’s press conference, or Tom, Allen’s press conference, they more than care, and they are blazing angry about this. And they are angry because they know they were cheated very directly during games.

Go and see what Rick Neiheisel said about it.

set Michigan aside for a minute

Separately, from that, any time a team knows your exact play call in modern day football, it exponentially increases the chance of their success, and exponentially decreases the chances of your success.  Period.  Anyone who says different has just now sat and thought about it long enough, or just doesn’t have any basic understanding of how modern football works. 




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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1151 on: October 31, 2023, 12:50:08 PM »
Lol Mumford and sons sucks and Chase Young hasn't done squat in the NFl since his rookie year. Bosa is a fcking STUD though, that's for sure.
Laughing out loud are the 1st symtoms Hutch is the greatest sure he is, of course -wipe the foam off your mouth then ask the nice young men with the nets to adjust your meds.Hutch is the greatest. Somehow he isn't on this list :017:

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1152 on: October 31, 2023, 12:57:46 PM »
Trust me on this. The coaches who have been affected by it, as well as the players who have been affected by it care very, very much.

I don't doubt it, I can't speak for them, obviously.

What I'm saying is these guys all had stories about teams getting their signals and eventually they realized it.  Some of them talked about using it to intentionally confuse the opponent thereafter.  Others talked about lining up and saying "don't care if you know the play, I'm about to put you on your ass, see if your decoding helps you with that."  

My point was, while the signals were probably obtained a different way in this case, these are people who were affected by sign-stealing.  And mostly they knew it at the time, in the case of their stories.  

Frankly, I had no idea teams spent much effort on figuring out an opponent's signals.  

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1153 on: October 31, 2023, 02:08:23 PM »
Lol Mumford and sons sucks 
I’ve officially seen the worst take in this thread now.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1154 on: October 31, 2023, 02:22:13 PM »

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1155 on: October 31, 2023, 05:01:03 PM »
I don't doubt it, I can't speak for them, obviously.

What I'm saying is these guys all had stories about teams getting their signals and eventually they realized it.  Some of them talked about using it to intentionally confuse the opponent thereafter.  Others talked about lining up and saying "don't care if you know the play, I'm about to put you on your ass, see if your decoding helps you with that." 

My point was, while the signals were probably obtained a different way in this case, these are people who were affected by sign-stealing.  And mostly they knew it at the time, in the case of their stories. 

Frankly, I had no idea teams spent much effort on figuring out an opponent's signals. 
Damn near every former player I've heard talk about this....laugh at it. Football at it's core has always been and always will be a line of scrimmage, toughness, blocking & tackling game. The teams that have the toughest, baddest dudes up front- usually win the games. See UGA...they had fcking mutants in '21 and '22 on that front 7.

And Clemson was notorious for sign stealing with Venebales at DC, and my complete guess here is they probably stretched some rules as well in terms of gathering that information....and Clemson also happened to have ELITE QB play and absolute freaking mutants on their DL. That'll win you lotta games.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1156 on: October 31, 2023, 05:03:02 PM »
I know players don't think about bad calls the same way fans do, and if I had to guess, that's because when you're the one playing the game you can't afford to think like that.  The attitude has to be "It doesn't matter what happens, my job is to win the play and the game."  I've seen former players reminisce about old games and talk about erroneous calls, but it eats at them more in the sense that they didn't overcome it and get the job done....it's very different than hearing fans talk about those moments, where the bad call itself chaps our hide many years later.  In their eyes, their job is to win against whatever they face, not gripe about getting a bad break. 

In light of that, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what I've seen from several former players and a current coach over the past week.  Former UGA qb Aaron Murray does several podcasts, one with a former LSU O-lineman, and at least one more with various former UGA players.  The former LSU OL guy does ESPN radio in Baton Rouge with another former LSU tailback. 

I've heard all of them talking about the Michigan thing this past week.  They pretty much all acknowledge that its against the rules, but to a man, none of them seem to care.  Murray is the harshest about it, but even he's pretty meh on it.  The prevailing attitude seems to be that they all tried to decode the other teams signals when they played, they knew the other teams were trying to get theirs too, and who gives a f, because you still have to go out and play.  A UGA O-lineman--I don't know his name--kind of summed it up when he said he didn't care when he knew a defense had their signals, they still had to stop us and I was gonna make sure to flatten whoever lines up on me whether they know the play or not. 

Current LSU coach Brian Kelly did his weekly appearance on the Finebaum show yesterday and was asked about the scandal.  His answer was basically "everybody is always trying to get your signals, we know that, it's been going on forever, our job is to make sure as best we can that doesn't happen, but also to execute the plays, and it's not our job to fuss if we get figured out, we just have to win games."  Something to that effect.  He didn't weigh in on the part that breaks the rules or what he thinks should happen or anything like that.  Only said people do it, it is what it is, I need to figure out a way to beat Bama, so I don't care. 

This is neither an endorsement of their view nor a critique of it either.  Just interesting how differently people inside the game seem to view things as opposed to fans, and possibly the NCAA. 
that podcast with T-Bob and Aaron Murray is probably the best CFB podcast there is imo. Murray is a really smart dude and you can tell his football IQ was/is high level. T-Bob is pretty damn hilarious as well.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1157 on: October 31, 2023, 05:06:04 PM »
Trust me on this. The coaches who have been affected by it, as well as the players who have been affected by it care very, very much.

It’s easy to go out there and find people like Brian, Kelly, and Deion sanders who will say they don’t care. Well, of course they don’t. It did not affect them.

Obviously, the Big Ten coaches and athletic directors have been told to keep their mouth shut

But even with that, if you watch Greg Schiano’s press conference, or Tom, Allen’s press conference, they more than care, and they are blazing angry about this. And they are angry because they know they were cheated very directly during games.

Go and see what Rick Neiheisel said about it.
Yes, I'm sure crying Ryan cares a lot, as he is a pussy. Dude got his vagina sore over some comments a 193 year old Lou Holthsh said about him and his team and went ballistic. 

Greg Schinao is a doosh, Tom Allen is a clown, and Rick Nuheisel is a fcking cumstain and he absolutely hates Jeem by the way. Oh and all 3 of them are dogshit coaches as well....for the record.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1158 on: October 31, 2023, 05:14:34 PM »
Michigan insiders John U Bacon and Sam Webb both saying Jeem's contract extension is near the finish line and close to 80%- and that it'll be done very soon.

ESPN's Pete Thamel basically cried like a little baby over this live on Pat McAfee's podcast. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1160 on: October 31, 2023, 05:28:16 PM »
Yes, I'm sure crying Ryan cares a lot, as he is a pussy. Dude got his vagina sore over some comments a 193 year old Lou Holthsh said about him and his team and went ballistic.

Greg Schinao is a doosh, Tom Allen is a clown, and Rick Nuheisel is a fcking cumstain and he absolutely hates Jeem by the way. Oh and all 3 of them are dogshit coaches as well....for the record.
Dude.  Let it go.  Every single player and coach that got cheated disagrees with you. They are just not aloud to talk right now. That’s obvious.

If it isn’t a big deal to video a teams signs in person, and have them to study - why did Michigan do it 35 times in 2 1/2 seasons?  Why did they have a schedule for it and a budget? Why are they claiming no knowledge of it? Why did their bigger opponents get video recorded multiple times ?

Any coach who is honest about it and disagrees with us a “ douche” or a “ cumstain”?

And please stop YOUR incessant WHINING about Ryan Day.  It is base in your deflection of getting caught cheating- and has no basis in fact- and not one shred of evidence.  So Ironic- your the one who is constantly crying!
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #1161 on: October 31, 2023, 05:32:24 PM »
Ryan Day has zero known involvement or crying.

Michigan has not been proven to have cheated.

The arguments against both those statements are flawed and false until facts prove otherwise.

 

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