2023 Michigan Season Thread

[FearlessF]

so, a 3rd party sat in the stands and recorded signs, signals, and plays.  Fine.

the catch is that the 3rd party was asked to do this and possibly instructed how to do this and had their tickets paid for by a staffer.

the staffer is now suspended, with pay.  Even though he seems to have plenty of $$$.

this staffer is the responsibility of the AD and probably the head coach.

[SuperMario]

In my post I parenthetically stated "truthfully or not". Whether or not Harbaugh knew is very likely to never be proven one way or another so there is no reason to argue about it, we can probably argue about that 20 years from now.

My point wasn't that Harbaugh knew, I didn't even make that argument. My point was that it doesn't matter.

Again, but it does matter. If people at the top, knowingly support breaking the rules it is far different than a low level person doing it on their own and being sneaky enough to hide it from the top. Punishment for the organization should be far different based on which was is true. And yes, there should be punishment either way, but it should be far different based on how it was done, the involvement and knowledge of higher ups.

and if it can’t be proven Harbaugh did know, then people should stop acting like he did while trying to call him a cheater or scumbag. Can’t have it both ways.

[SuperMario]

Maybe it is.

This is where I land right now: He presented himself as a genius and got a sideline gig because of it. It's been said that his family is loaded, so he could afford to go anywhere he wanted - and did.

I don't think we can take any true position on the matter, at this point in time. The investigation has to play out.

As I mentioned above, IF Michigan knowingly cheated, Michigan deserves what comes to them - and not even Taylor Swift could get them out of it.

So there.

This is well said and about where I’m at. I keep going back to one of my guys on staff breaking the law and hiding it well from me. I’d be pissed at myself, hold myself responsible and tackle the consequences, but the second anyone tried to paint me as the cheater, scumbag or criminal, I’d come back swinging and clear my name after all was said and done.

[MikeDeTiger]

I didn’t want to discuss this topic any more, but my business partner brought up an interesting point. For reference, he is an OSU grad and OSU fan.

Now I'm launching an investigation into your Michigan fandom.  Highly suspicious for a "Michigan Man" to be in business with an OSU guy.  

ELA will be representing my interests in this matter.  Expect a letter from him forthwith.  

[Mdot21]

Maybe it is.

This is where I land right now: He presented himself as a genius and got a sideline gig because of it. It's been said that his family is loaded, so he could afford to go anywhere he wanted - and did.

I don't think we can take any true position on the matter, at this point in time. The investigation has to play out.

As I mentioned above, IF Michigan knowingly cheated, Michigan deserves what comes to them - and not even Taylor Swift could get them out of it.

So there.

pretty fair rational take. 

i've heard not only is this guys family loaded, but he himself made a ton of money in real estate buying houses, flipping, renting out. probably bank-rolled that all with family money. 

this dude is a nutjob superfan- wrote a 600 page manifesto about Michigan football. it's plausible he presented himself as a sign stealing genius (which is legal) from watching tv copy/all-22. there are plenty of signs shown/available to decipher in those copies. 

if the dude comes from money and made his own money in real estate- and is CLEARLY a nutjob whose dream is to one day be the head coach at Michigan- not that far fetched he'd present himself as some sign stealing guru genius in an effort to get in with the staff at Michigan- and in reality he wasn't just stealing signs from tv/all-22 he was self-funding an elaborate in-person sign stealing operation. 

[Mdot21]

Oh and to the OSU slappies crying like women....sign stealing does not equal video taping opponents practice footage or stealing playbooks/weekly game plans/intercepting in-game opponent coaching headset audio.

Everyone steals signs. It's not illegal. Period. The issue remains the in-person advanced scouting bylaw- which AGAIN for the 1000th fcking time- was put in place not to prevent sign stealing (which again for the 1000th fcking time- is LEGAL) - but because the poors were bitching up a storm that they didn't have the football budget that the rich helmets did to send staffers to opponents games. It was all over a have vs the have nots issue. Wasn't ever about sign stealing. Which again...is legal.

[847badgerfan]

Oh and to the OSU slappies crying like women....sign stealing does not equal video taping opponents practice footage or stealing playbooks/weekly game plans/intercepting in-game opponent coaching headset audio.

Everyone steals signs. It's not illegal. Period. The issue remains the in-person advanced scouting bylaw- which AGAIN for the 1000th fcking time- was put in place not to prevent sign stealing (which again for the 1000th fcking time- is LEGAL) - but because the poors were bitching up a storm that they didn't have the football budget that the rich helmets did to send staffers to opponents games. It was all over the have vs the have nots issue. Wasn't ever about sign stealing. Which again. Is legal.

Who here is doing that?

Maybe on Bucknuts or 11 whatever. Not so much here. All I see is a lot of questioning.

[SuperMario]

Oh and to the OSU slappies crying like women....sign stealing does not equal video taping opponents practice footage or stealing playbooks/weekly game plans/intercepting in-game opponent coaching headset audio.

Everyone steals signs. It's not illegal. Period. The issue remains the in-person advanced scouting bylaw- which AGAIN for the 1000th fcking time- was put in place not to prevent sign stealing (which again for the 1000th fcking time- is LEGAL) - but because the poors were bitching up a storm that they didn't have the football budget that the rich helmets did to send staffers to opponents games. It was all over a have vs the have nots issue. Wasn't ever about sign stealing. Which again...is legal.

Seriously? This has been a pretty calm discussion. Can you not intentionally pour gasoline on the calm fire?

[Mdot21]

dude really is a GOAT....


https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1717538757245649113?s=20

[847badgerfan]

dude really is a GOAT....

He'll need to be in two seats at once.

Gotta scout OSU for the GAME and UW for the B1GCCG.

[Mdot21]

He'll need to be in two seats at once.

Gotta scout OSU for the GAME and UW for the B1GCCG.

I am going to the Michigan-OSU game. I think I'm gonna bring my iPad and record the entire OSU sideline for signs and then upload it all to the internet win-lose-or draw just to be an ass. 

[Mdot21]

[FearlessF]

Seriously? This has been a pretty calm discussion. Can you not intentionally pour gasoline on the calm fire?

have you met Mdot???

[Mdot21]

NCB Mike Sainistril and WR Roman Wilson both moving up NFL Draft boards per The Athletic's draft guru Dan Brugler. Brugler has both in the top 100 players for the upcoming draft now. 

https://theathletic.com/4993794/2023/10/26/nfl-draft-2024-outliers-mike-sainristil/?source=user_shared_article