2023 Michigan Season Thread

[SuperMario]

Can you guys attempt to be respectful of each other? Both sides. Calling each other dumbasses and too stupid. It’s football. It’s a scandal. It’s like all of you need a life event that shatters your world do you can see where this is at on the scale of importance. Nothing wrong with arguing and disagreement, but man, you all have interacted for a long time, don’t sink to this level.

[Cincydawg]

I second that.  None of us know for sure what will happen here, there is a range of possibilities.  Anyone claiming to know "for sure" is a "DA".

Heh.

I'm against all over generalizations.

[Honestbuckeye]

Can you guys attempt to be respectful of each other? Both sides. Calling each other dumbasses and too stupid. It’s football. It’s a scandal. It’s like all of you need a life event that shatters your world do you can see where this is at on the scale of importance. Nothing wrong with arguing and disagreement, but man, you all have interacted for a long time, don’t sink to this level.

There are not “sides” here.  Your two boys here ( and the overwhelming majority of the University of Michigan fan base) are trying really hard to paint it that way.  But it has nothing to do with Ohio State, unless you want to talk about the fact that they are the biggest victims in this since Michigan scouted them, or was prepared to scout them and steal signs eight different times!

If there were “sides” it would be integrity versus cheating. 

Mdot spends most of his time on this board polishing the scrotum of JJ McCarthy in Michigan with all these impressive stats, etc.  I hope he doesn’t do that anymore since pretty much nobody thinks they have credibility.

[847badgerfan]

Can you guys attempt to be respectful of each other? Both sides. Calling each other dumbasses and too stupid. It’s football. It’s a scandal. It’s like all of you need a life event that shatters your world do you can see where this is at on the scale of importance. Nothing wrong with arguing and disagreement, but man, you all have interacted for a long time, don’t sink to this level.

Yes please.

[MikeDeTiger]

When we had our own Michigan Man, we had a brilliant bulwark against stealing our signs, which was to make it pointless and redundant. 

Just set up the defense to try and defend the toss dive, and you're in the right play like 90% of the time.  

[Temp430]

I think I've been respectful as deluded as I am. 

The NCAA leaker nor Ohio State's campaign in the media is going to make a difference.  There's better than a 50:50 chance most of the Buckeye fan base is calling for Ryan Day's head by 4 PM Nov. 25th.

[medinabuckeye1]

Dear Michigan "men":

I understand your reluctance to believe Ohio State fans so instead, please double check your perception by looking at the neutral fans here.

I haven't seen where any plausibility neutral fan has taken anything close to your "no big deal, everybody does it, it will be a slap on the wrist" view. None.

 @betarhoalphadelta suggested vacated wins, postseason bans, and a show cause and that was BEFORE the latest evidence dropped.

 @ELA suggested that Harbaugh would not coach another game. 

@Cincydawg , @FearlessF show me a neutral fan seeing it your way?

This is absolutely the biggest cheating scandal in the modern history of college football. Michigan is going to get hammered. 

The only question is timing. 

[MaximumSam]

I think I've been respectful as deluded as I am. 

The NCAA leaker nor Ohio State's campaign in the media is going to make a difference.  There's better than a 50:50 chance most of the Buckeye fan base is calling for Ryan Day's head by 4 PM Nov. 25th.

I've seen a lot of stuff about how OSU or Ryan Day is responsible. Is that based in anything but rivalry stuff? John U. Bacon was suggesting pointing at some Michigan guy for the NCAA who hates Michigan.

[Cincydawg]

I try and be neutral, so far as possible.  I admit to many possibilities here, and some probabilities.  The key lacking piece for me is the connection between stealing signs and on field use of that, and I watched the video which certainly is indicative.  I think it best to be patient and await the process, our opinions mean nothing vis a vis that outcome.  But it is POSSIBLE this is a major scandal.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Let's stipulate for the moment that the public evidence is mostly correct (and that may not be the case, or it could be worse).  I'd opine this would result in major penalties, forfeited wins over a period of years, fines, ban on post season play for X years, maybe 3, scholarship reductions, lack of institutional control and show cause penalties, and probably a nearly complete dismissal of the staff.  I view it as a major violation not seen in CFB in years.  I could be wrong of course.

It would be short of the DP, but not by much.  The key would be, I think, linking the "stealing evidence" to specific coach actions in games.  If that happens, and it might, it would be "bad".  JH would have his safety net in the NFL of course.  His assistants wouldn't be nearly as lucky.

This is where I'm at.

If the evidence holds up, it's a premeditated, coordinated, institutionally-supported plan to cheat in flagrant and direct violation of the rules. 

And based on the outsized success of Michigan ATS, it looks as if it was effective and gave them a significant on-field advantage as a result. Although IMHO even if it didn't, the penalties should be the same. 

I would see at minimum vacated wins 2021-2023, show cause for Jim, the OC, and the DC, and Stalions of course, and probably a year postseason ban. The rest of the staff would be cleaned house anyway as they bring in a new coach, so I don't think punishing the lower level assistant coaches makes any sense. They might be a little radioactive to be hired elsewhere but you attack this sort of thing at the top, not at the bottom. I don't know if they'd go any harder on scholarship reductions/etc, because we all know the NCAA likes to protect the moneymakers. But they can't just let this slide. 

I don't see this being swept under the rug. The penalties I described above would be about as much of a slap on the wrist as you could theoretically go. The show cause doesn't affect the program; it affects the involved coaches. So that's not punishing the program. Vacated wins are ignored by fans. So that's a "costless" penalty to the program. A one year postseason ban shows you did something, but you can say it's not punishing the new staff unfairly for the sins of the previous staff. 

[Temp430]

This is absolutely the biggest cheating scandal in the modern history of college football. Michigan is going to get hammered.

The only question is timing.

 Wow.   It will take quite a while to adjudicate what happened.  Maybe in a couple years unless clear heads at the NCAA prevail and they drop this like the warm Buckeye turd it is.

[Honestbuckeye]

I think I've been respectful as deluded as I am. 

The NCAA leaker nor Ohio State's campaign in the media is going to make a difference.  There's better than a 50:50 chance most of the Buckeye fan base is calling for Ryan Day's head by 4 PM Nov. 25th.

if your going to continue to be deluded- at least get yourself up to speed on the actual pulse of OSU
Fans.

Since Day has the best winning % versus ranked teams, of ALL active coaches, and combined with the numerous “ we owe Day an apology “ threads and posts- you are way off the mark.

That’s what you’re missing here.  They know Day had no real shot when the bad guys knew EVERY
Play they were running, on both offense and defense.  They no longer believe he was out coached.  They no longer believe they were outplayed.  In fact- they are posting film breakdowns which most definitely appear that Michigan knew the exact play.

[Honestbuckeye]

Wow.  It will take quite a while to adjudicate what happened.  Maybe in a couple years unless clear heads at the NCAA prevail and they drop this like the warm Buckeye turd it is.

Only a true idiot would deflect the blame when his cheater cheater booger eater was nailed for blatant, systematic cheating- which clearly is the key reason of 2 seasons of perceived success. 

[Temp430]

The NCAA's leadership needs to investigate these leaks.  The leaks are a violation and heads should roll.