2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[ELA]

1-20 on 3s

Sports reference has data back to 2010-11

MSU was 0-7 last year against Illinois.  0-9 at Michigan in the COVID year.  0-7 against Columbia in 2013

The only times I can find them below 20% when shooting at least 20 attempts were...

5-26 (19.2%) against Kentucky in both the 2016 and 2019 Champions Classics
4-21 (19.0%) against Rutgers in MSG last year, at home against Iowa in 2016, and at home against Texas Southern in 2014
2-20 (10%) against UNC in the 2011 Carrier Classic

So it's the worst aside from three 0fers, all of which they stopped shooting them.  Of the 6 worst shooting performances on volume, 4 were either in an NBA arena or outdoors.  The other 2 were at home in arguably the worst loss of the Izzo era and in a blowout home loss to Iowa.  One of those teams made a Final 4, the other won a BTT, and then I forget what happened.


So on one hand, it was a bad shooting night.  On the other hand, in those games against Illinois, Michigan and Columbia, they went to Plan B.  MSU led the Big Ten in 3 point shooting last year, and I'm worried they don't have a plan B.  That's more concerning than the loss.  That against a project 13 seed, they just kept hoping their shots would eventually fall

[OrangeAfroMan]

Just a notice about the cultural divide between the B1G and SEC.....ya'll got 27 pages of basketball talk.....in early November.  Know how many pages the SEC thread has??? 
None.
Because there isn't one.
.
There's football and then spring football, people!!!
And today, basketball is all about a 7'4" beanpole in San Antonio that Shaq would turn into Shawn Bradley. 
But I digress.

[ELA]

He would trade 3s for 2s with Shaq all day, while denying 3s himself

[OrangeAfroMan]

He would trade 3s for 2s with Shaq all day, while denying 3s himself

You should do stand-up.

[ELA]

If under the basket bigs were still valuable, NBA teams would employ them.  A numbers guy should understand that.  There's a reason Zach Edey came back to college for a fourth year as a 7'6" National Player of the Year

[OrangeAfroMan]

If they're not valuable and no one has any, that's an inefficiency waiting to be exploited.  

20 year-old Shaq would embarrass Wompneyamendola or whatever his name is.

[Brutus Buckeye]

The SEC board is dead during football season too. That's why you guys all hang out over here all the time. 

[MaximumSam]

If they're not valuable and no one has any, that's an inefficiency waiting to be exploited. 

20 year-old Shaq would embarrass Wompneyamendola or whatever his name is.

Shaq was impressive physically and it would be hard for Wemby to keep him away from the basket, but Shaq would also get embarrassed trying to guard him. Hey here's Zach Edey except a guard - that's Wembanyama. 

[ELA]

If they're not valuable and no one has any, that's an inefficiency waiting to be exploited. 

20 year-old Shaq would embarrass Wompneyamendola or whatever his name is.

So you both said you don't care about basketball, and are ready to exploit an inefficiency that no NBA team has realized.

I've said I think the lack of good 3 point shooters has made the NBA numbers lead to some bad college basketball, using the same analytics.  But if if Shawn Bradley could shoot threes and guard the perimeter, I missed that.

That's like calling Tim Tebow a lighter Fridge Perry since they both took snaps from under center and couldn't throw it, and ignored everything else.

And 20 year old Shaq would be pissed that nobody told him that 3 > 2

[ELA]

I thought this arena became a thing during COVID because the state presumably had more relaxed regulations.  But is there a reason I'm missing that Top 25 teams are still playing neutral site games in South Dakota?

[ELA]

The fact that Auburn is good is what is wrong with basketball.  The point of basketball was to try to create the easiest shot.  Then, it was too collapsed, so they added the 3 point line to space things.  But it's become so easy, that the game has rewarded making bad long shots over well designed close shots.  It would be like if football rewarded plays based on how far you were from the goal line.  Imagine taking a loss, to get behind the 20, because a score from there is worth more.  That's what basketball did, and the risk is undervalued vs. the reward (I think), or maybe everyone has just grown up basing their game off shooting 3s

[Brutus Buckeye]

And 20 year old Shaq would be pissed that nobody told him that 3 > 2

They withheld that information from him for his own good. 

[bayareabadger]

Just a notice about the cultural divide between the B1G and SEC.....ya'll got 27 pages of basketball talk.....in early November.  Know how many pages the SEC thread has??? 
None.
Because there isn't one.
.
There's football and then spring football, people!!!
And today, basketball is all about a 7'4" beanpole in San Antonio that Shaq would turn into Shawn Bradley.
But I digress.

I don’t think you know what a Shawn Bradley is.

Also, rambling that on of the best 15 players of all time would do a number on someone is … kinda unremarkable. You know, I bet Michael Jordan would do quite a number on Scoot Henderson too.

[MaximumSam]

The fact that Auburn is good is what is wrong with basketball.  The point of basketball was to try to create the easiest shot.  Then, it was too collapsed, so they added the 3 point line to space things.  But it's become so easy, that the game has rewarded making bad long shots over well designed close shots.  It would be like if football rewarded plays based on how far you were from the goal line.  Imagine taking a loss, to get behind the 20, because a score from there is worth more.  That's what basketball did, and the risk is undervalued vs. the reward (I think), or maybe everyone has just grown up basing their game off shooting 3s

The three point line is the most successful gimmick in the history of sports