2023-2024 B1G Basketball Thread

[grillrat]

Good on college players for getting what they can get, but I can't give a shit about college sports anymore.  I'm all for all of the NIL money these kids can get, but combining it with the transfer portal has just turned it into a shitty version of the NFL/NBA

I've been arguing for years with the "players should be payed" people.  A) As a father who just sat down with the loan guys for my son to go to OSU, believe me, a full ride scholarship is the equivalent of getting paid.....ALOT and B) This was the obvious result:  Bidding wars.  You could see it coming from a mile away.  The NCAA knew that this was going to be the result and fought tooth and nail over the years to prevent it, but once the supreme court ruled on it, there was nothing they could do.  I honestly think that it is the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it.

[medinabuckeye1]

The wife and I are going to attend the Fort Myers tipoff this season. The field is AMU, Virginia, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

How can they make this work financially in an arena that small? 

I couldn't find a schedule online, which of the other three does Wisconsin open with?

If you've never been, check out Edison's winter house while you are there.

[847badgerfan]

How can they make this work financially in an arena that small?

I couldn't find a schedule online, which of the other three does Wisconsin open with?

If you've never been, check out Edison's winter house while you are there.

They are doing travel packages, and they are not cheap.

We can drive in about 25-30 minutes. Lots of stuff named after Edison down here.

[betarhoalphadelta]

I've been arguing for years with the "players should be payed" people.  A) As a father who just sat down with the loan guys for my son to go to OSU, believe me, a full ride scholarship is the equivalent of getting paid.....ALOT and B) This was the obvious result:  Bidding wars.  You could see it coming from a mile away.  The NCAA knew that this was going to be the result and fought tooth and nail over the years to prevent it, but once the supreme court ruled on it, there was nothing they could do.  I honestly think that it is the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it.

It is one additional factor in me checking out of Purdue sports. I know our fan base doesn't have the stomach to compete here with the big boys of the world, so NIL is one more insulated pane in the glass ceiling of college sports that we'll NEVER break through. 

[bayareabadger]

I've been arguing for years with the "players should be payed" people.  A) As a father who just sat down with the loan guys for my son to go to OSU, believe me, a full ride scholarship is the equivalent of getting paid.....ALOT and B) This was the obvious result:  Bidding wars.  You could see it coming from a mile away.  The NCAA knew that this was going to be the result and fought tooth and nail over the years to prevent it, but once the supreme court ruled on it, there was nothing they could do.  I honestly think that it is the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it.

The full ride is getting paid thing is sort of a false equivalency. I once had a job that gave out car wash coupons.

They were nice and ended with my car getting a cleaning I’d never pay for. But if a $500 bonus was paid in coupons, even if it was $1,000 worth of them, it ain’t the same thing.

(as for the end of the sport, this is the logical end of all of it. It’s a sport built on being inherently “unfair.” This puts more of that in the light, but doesn’t change the reality)

[847badgerfan]

As for NIL, is there some database out there that shows how much each school has in the coffers?

I hear things like "Kentucky has a ton of NIL to offer" and I wonder if that's real. Same goes for Purdue, and the "we don't have anything to offer" statements.

[grillrat]

The full ride is getting paid thing is sort of a false equivalency. I once had a job that gave out car wash coupons.

They were nice and ended with my car getting a cleaning I’d never pay for. But if a $500 bonus was paid in coupons, even if it was $1,000 worth of them, it ain’t the same thing.

(as for the end of the sport, this is the logical end of all of it. It’s a sport built on being inherently “unfair.” This puts more of that in the light, but doesn’t change the reality)

Wait, did they only pay you in coupons, or was that just a bonus thing?

Either way, that's using a false equivalency to justify a false equivalency.  

We're not talking about a cleaner car.  We're talking about food, shelter, top notch training facilities (considering that most of these guys have the goal of being a professional athlete), top notch medical / nutritional care, free clothes, and to top it off, a college degree that can be extremely beneficial as a back-up plan if the athletic ambition doesn't pan out.  Don't forget that alot of those athletes were also getting a monthly spending stipend as well (which could be used for entertainment spending).

You can live without a cleaner car.  A good chunk of the items that these guys (and gals) get are basic survival needs.  In the end, isn't that why we go to our jobs everyday, to get the compensation to pay for those things?

From what I now know that I am going to be paying for my son to go to OSU, if I had to guess, putting all those things together and putting a price tag on it would probably be in the $40 - $45,000 range.  That's pretty good for an 18 year old.

[bayareabadger]

As for NIL, is there some database out there that shows how much each school has in the coffers?

I hear things like "Kentucky has a ton of NIL to offer" and I wonder if that's real. Same goes for Purdue, and the "we don't have anything to offer" statements.

It gets weird. I heard Mizzou is surprisingly competent.

[betarhoalphadelta]

The screwy thing about NIL is it was sold as "it's about players profiting and earning endorsements based on their fame, not a way for shadowy boosters to make it pay-for-play". 

Well, in fact it's all about shadowy boosters making it pay-for-play. 

And I'm just gonna say that SOME programs have a lot more of those than others. 

As for Kentucky? Well, it's a lot easier to come up with the money to pay a 13-man basketball roster than an 85-man football roster if that's the only sport you REALLY care about. 

(Admittedly you could say the same about Purdue, but I don't think our basketball supporters are as motivated as Kentucky's probably are...)

[MaximumSam]

The market is what the market is. The old NCAA rules had the effect of creating a multibillion dollar business where the key workers didn't (and couldn't) get paid their market value. That flipped on a dime, and schools and boosters are scrambling around figuring it out. It would be nice if the schools had some sort of leadership, but one doesn't get to head the NCAA due to their ability to help students. 

[NickSmith4Three]

Terrance Shannon Jr and Coleman Hawkins pull out of the draft and will return to Illinois.

Illinois still needs a veteran PG.

[bayareabadger]

Terrance Shannon Jr and Coleman Hawkins pull out of the draft and will return to Illinois.

Illinois still needs a veteran PG.

Hawkins is such a weird player. Although I think he does have much more potential than he’s shown.

[NickSmith4Three]

He can make you pull your hair out, that's for sure.

[847badgerfan]

Edy coming back for Purdue. Dammit.