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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #294 on: January 06, 2022, 09:31:19 PM »
Title IX was a part of it, but I don't know how big of a part it was. Another one was that if you're paid to play, are you a student-athlete, or are you an employee? And if you're employee, do all the employer/employee relationships and laws apply? Because that changes a lot.

I always thought that the idea of NIL was that if a player could earn an endorsement deal based on their fame, they should be allowed to. Or if someone had a monetizable Youtube channel (which was an actual case), they don't have to choose between Youtube and football. Or if they got some gold pants as a result of beating their rival, those gold pants belonged to them and they could sell them if they wanted.

Instead, apparently it's "the school can't pay you to play, so the boosters will pay you to play." No strings, no endorsements, no actual use of your name, image, or likeness... Just a check because you're on the team.

I sure as hell don't begrudge the players for this... But it seems like the system is f$&#*d.
So it's interesting because the talent still obviously flowed to the schools with more money. 

Some of that was because the boosters were paying. Some was because they built palaces and weight rooms every five years. Some that they bought big staffs with pretty recruiting assistants and whatever. Some was because you could just go buy and hold onto the best coaches. 

Without NIL, it got plenty top-heavy. Maybe it gets more so, but there isn't much room on that side. 

In the end, the playing field can't be leveled because they can't take Alabama and Wisconsin's money and give it to Eastern Michigan and Colorado State. Resources lean toward the top, talent too. But somehow, the spirit of competition, across an already stratified sport will continue on. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #295 on: January 06, 2022, 09:56:07 PM »
I don't even think the NIL stuff is the biggest thing that's going to keep the cream at the top, it's the transfer portal.  Alabama's a little light at LB?  They poach Tennessee's best LB.  OSU missed on a couple of offensive linemen and/or they need a stopgap while young guys improve?  Just go take Utah's best lineman.

Achillies' heel is shrinking every season because he can just put on armored shoes with the portal.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #296 on: January 07, 2022, 09:10:04 AM »
If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.
Tell it to the student with the grades paying his freight.But ya they should have allowed kids to make coin off their likeness,that way if they still could have went to their favorite schools and things would have stayed in line.The NFL have been slime balls for quite sometime,now Universities are giving the slippery slope a shot.We're not in Kansas anymore
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #297 on: January 07, 2022, 09:47:10 AM »
Tell it to the student with the grades paying his freight.But ya they should have allowed kids to make coin off their likeness,that way if they still could have went to their favorite schools and things would have stayed in line.The NFL have been slime balls for quite sometime,now Universities are giving the slippery slope a shot.We're not in Kansas anymore
I just want to reiterate-- the schools have no choice in the matter.  Nor do the conferences or the NCAA.

NIL consists of a variety of state statutes, and all they did was re-grant the rights to NCAA athletes, that the NCAA had been (arguably, illegally) restricting for decades.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #298 on: January 07, 2022, 01:23:23 PM »
Correct.  Microsoft could agree to pay Baker an extra $10M per year if he joins the Seahawks next year.  It's just that no one has explicitly done that, it's all advertisement related.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #299 on: January 07, 2022, 01:39:08 PM »
Done?!

You're assuming we were competing for anything before?
Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.

Not happening now.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #300 on: January 07, 2022, 01:40:40 PM »
If Wisconsinites don't want to pay to participate, then that is their problem. No free lunches here. The whole system was broken because it was based in not paying people for their work, which is theft.
Stealing a scholarship is theft.

"We ain't come to play skool" and all that.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #301 on: January 07, 2022, 02:00:21 PM »
I just want to reiterate-- the schools have no choice in the matter.  Nor do the conferences or the NCAA.
Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO -  the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams

Charlie Batch offers Caleb Williams massive NIL deal to transfer to Eastern Michigan

Eastern Michigan lost its top two QBs to the transfer portal. In the NIL era, could the Eagles land Caleb Williams through a million dollar deal?
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #302 on: January 07, 2022, 02:19:01 PM »
Stealing a scholarship is theft.

"We ain't come to play skool" and all that.
How can someone steal a scholarship? You may not care if you have it, but that's not the same as stealing. 

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #303 on: January 07, 2022, 02:19:35 PM »
Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO -  the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams
I understand the sentiment, I really do.  But the schools can't do anything to "shout it down" or affect it in any way.  They'd actually be breaking the law if they involved themselves or interfered.  That's the entire point of the states codifying these statutes-- they are prohibiting the schools (and conferences, and NCAA) from being involved.  





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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #304 on: January 07, 2022, 02:27:33 PM »
Good Point and I just made the connection,but Atheletic Departments aren't shouting down the help either.This is where - IMO -  the spirit of what was once the NCAA could/should sort things out and keeps some balance.Now I'm hearing someone at EMU tossed 1 million at caleb Williams

Charlie Batch offers Caleb Williams massive NIL deal to transfer to Eastern Michigan

Eastern Michigan lost its top two QBs to the transfer portal. In the NIL era, could the Eagles land Caleb Williams through a million dollar deal?

Yeah, I posted it a few days ago, that's what led us back down this rabbit hole

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #305 on: January 07, 2022, 02:30:23 PM »
Yeah, I posted it a few days ago, that's what led us back down this rabbit hole

Yeah we should probably move this discussion back to the NIL thread, but in cases like these, they're closely related.

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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #306 on: January 07, 2022, 02:45:45 PM »
How can someone steal a scholarship? You may not care if you have it, but that's not the same as stealing.
Tell that to the person who deserves it and would love to have it.
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Re: 2022 Transfer Portal
« Reply #307 on: January 07, 2022, 02:56:59 PM »
Well, my school was one score away from the playoff a few years back. MSU made the playoff.

Not happening now.
Big difference between getting into the playoff and being competitive, as Cincinnati learned...

As did MSU. 

 

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