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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2022, 12:52:21 PM »
David Bell dropping down based on measurables, so he's gonna be a steal for some team.
Packers should snag him in the 2nd rd and pair him up with Adams. Good luck trying to stop that.

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2022, 01:27:52 PM »
I suspect the times are confirmation of what is already thought to be the case.

I think someone once noted that Barry Sanders ran like a 4.5 or higher.

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2022, 07:50:57 AM »
But can he play
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2022, 08:53:16 AM »
I suspect the times are confirmation of what is already thought to be the case.

I think someone once noted that Barry Sanders ran like a 4.5 or higher.
Sanders ran a 4.37.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2022, 09:15:37 AM »
Top 10 All-Time Leading Rushers in NFL history
1. Smith - 4.55
2. Payton - 4.4
3. Gore - 4.58
4. Sanders - 4.37
5. Peterson - 4.4
6. Martin - 4.4
7. Tomlinson - 4.46
8. Bettis - 4.7
9. Dickerson - can't find it, but he was fast
10. Dorsett - 4.3
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2022, 09:28:26 AM »
To have a guy rush for 10,000+ career yards, straight-line speed isn't a top requirement.  
1 - Vision
2 - Injury-avoidance
3 - Durability/High volume
4 - Moves/Agility
5 - Speed

I'd rank the attributes like that........vision is #1 - both vision to find the hole/cut back/progress through the quagmire AND vision to avoid big hits/surprise hits/etc - because those can cause fumbles and injury.
#2 and 3 on the list do not align, which makes it so hard to be a 10,000 yard rusher.  You need lots of carries, BUT - you need them by earning them (being productive) and you need them while not sitting out from injury due to them.....AND not getting too many of them in a given season.  RBs tend to have bad years following a career-high carries load.  I looked this one up - Emmitt has the most carries ever, but ZERO seasons in the top 20 all-time.  That matters.

RBs rarely run in a straight line.  They're almost always shifting and hopping, cutting, and stutter-stepping.  Not just juking defenders, but setting up blocks, being patient, and navigating that mass of humanity in front of them.  Getting 3 yards instead of 2 by being shifty and falling forward is incredibly underrated.  

I view speed as being needed and the most useful when you're deficient in the first 4.  Speed can make some of it up.  And I'd go so far as to say if you have the first 4 AND great speed, you're screwed, because you'll get the ball so much that #2 becomes impossible.  
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2022, 09:43:31 AM »
Who are the top three current RBs in the NFL?  What were their times?

Necessary but not sufficient, which is no doubt why the fastest guy in the NFL is not an RB (I bet).

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2022, 09:50:07 AM »
To have a guy rush for 10,000+ career yards, straight-line speed isn't a top requirement. 
1 - Vision
2 - Injury-avoidance
3 - Durability/High volume
4 - Moves/Agility
5 - Speed

I'd rank the attributes like that........vision is #1 - both vision to find the hole/cut back/progress through the quagmire AND vision to avoid big hits/surprise hits/etc - because those can cause fumbles and injury.
#2 and 3 on the list do not align, which makes it so hard to be a 10,000 yard rusher.  You need lots of carries, BUT - you need them by earning them (being productive) and you need them while not sitting out from injury due to them.....AND not getting too many of them in a given season.  RBs tend to have bad years following a career-high carries load.  I looked this one up - Emmitt has the most carries ever, but ZERO seasons in the top 20 all-time.  That matters.

RBs rarely run in a straight line.  They're almost always shifting and hopping, cutting, and stutter-stepping.  Not just juking defenders, but setting up blocks, being patient, and navigating that mass of humanity in front of them.  Getting 3 yards instead of 2 by being shifty and falling forward is incredibly underrated. 

I view speed as being needed and the most useful when you're deficient in the first 4.  Speed can make some of it up.  And I'd go so far as to say if you have the first 4 AND great speed, you're screwed, because you'll get the ball so much that #2 becomes impossible. 
If say having a good OL is pretty important too :96:

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2022, 10:14:24 AM »
Four-time U.S. Olympic gold medalist Michael Johnson advised Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill to, literally, stay in his lane.

Johnson was asked Thursday whether he thought Hill could make the U.S. Olympic team as a sprinter, and he succinctly replied "no" to Drew Davison of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

"He knows what his sport is," Johnson said. "That sort of thing picks up steam from other people saying, 'Oh, he can be in the Olympics.'"

Johnson continued:

"Honestly the sport is much more complex than people think. These guys are all fast and they're struggling to pick up the concept of a simple start position. Simple to me. Not simple for them. Just like if I went in and tried to be a running back. It looks simple, just take the ball and avoid the defense. It looks simple. It's not simple."
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2022, 10:50:02 AM »
The few who play multiple sports are amazing to me.  I got to know one of them a bit through baseball, he's a really nice fellow.

(Brian Jordan).

Guess who he said gave him the hardest hit he ever had in the NFL?  I think I mentioned this before.

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2022, 11:24:18 AM »
If say having a good OL is pretty important too :96:
Is that a personal attribute for a RB?
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2022, 11:24:59 AM »
Who are the top three current RBs in the NFL?  What were their times?

Necessary but not sufficient, which is no doubt why the fastest guy in the NFL is not an RB (I bet).
Good luck getting a consensus on that, lol.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2022, 11:32:25 AM »
Well, let's take the top four based on yards alone last year.

2021 NFL rushing stats - Players | NFL.com

Taylor Chubb Mixon Harris.

Chubb ran a 4.52 combine.
Taylor 4.39 fast
Mixon 4.45
Harris 4.45

0.13 seconds from slowest to fastest.  

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft Thread
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2022, 11:40:14 AM »
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