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Topic: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2022, 10:47:24 AM »
I think Minnesota is going to have a big day today. I'm seeing a 3TD win based on some pre-game reading.

Should be interesting.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2022, 11:24:35 AM »
There certainly is a chance, more than many think, if it's 1 in 3, which would be my guess.  OSU has a lot of talented players who know how to play and are well coached.

TCU has about the same apparent chance over UM.  I think "fans" tend to get way too up or down on a given team because of some single recent result.
Any given Saturday right. 

Having said that, I think Georgia’s physicality will be too much for OSU. OSU has a fantastic QB and the best WR in cfb so if they get red hot- they can put up points on anyone imo. In the end, I just think Georgia is too physical and too deep and will just grind on them and wear them down. 

Not really sure what to make of TCU vs Michigan. Duggan is impressive as all hell and that WR Johnson looks like a sure fire future 1st rd pick. But I don’t think an undersized OL and undersized defensive front that runs a 3-3-5 is a good matchup for them vs Michigan. Michigan OL has maulers on the interior in Keegan, Oluwatimi, and Zinter and they play a lot of 2 & 3 TE sets and play extra OL. And the on the flip side, Mike Morris is back at edge and he goes about 6’6, 290 and Mazi Smith is plugging up the middle and he goes about 6’3, 335.  

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2022, 02:25:12 PM »
Any given Saturday right.

Having said that, I think Georgia’s physicality will be too much for OSU. OSU has a fantastic QB and the best WR in cfb so if they get red hot- they can put up points on anyone imo. In the end, I just think Georgia is too physical and too deep and will just grind on them and wear them down.

Not really sure what to make of TCU vs Michigan. Duggan is impressive as all hell and that WR Johnson looks like a sure fire future 1st rd pick. But I don’t think an undersized OL and undersized defensive front that runs a 3-3-5 is a good matchup for them vs Michigan. Michigan OL has maulers on the interior in Keegan, Oluwatimi, and Zinter and they play a lot of 2 & 3 TE sets and play extra OL. And the on the flip side, Mike Morris is back at edge and he goes about 6’6, 290 and Mazi Smith is plugging up the middle and he goes about 6’3, 335.
It is interesting how similar the two games appear to be.

Both favorites are undefeated teams that are generally viewed as more physical than their opponents and will want to run the ball, control the clock, and grind down their opponent.

Both underdogs lost their last game and are generally viewed as having a better QB/WR combo than their opponent.

As I see it, both underdogs are good enough to make winning a realistic possibility but they each would probably need an above average day from their defense and a great game from the aforementioned QB/WR combos. What makes it interesting is that their QB/WR combos are talented enough to make that a reasonable possibility.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2022, 02:38:25 PM »
I think OSU is a lesser dog than TCU, but probably not by much.  UGA likely passes more often than folks tend to believe.  They have such a running tradition folks assume it means they always are like that.  It's akin to believing Stetson is a system QB who can't make long passes.  He has more passing yardage than CJD (but played an extra game).

I won't be at all shocked if OSU wins.  A TO here or there could do it.


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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2022, 02:40:32 PM »
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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2022, 02:42:18 PM »
I think OSU is a lesser dog than TCU, but probably not by much.  UGA likely passes more often than folks tend to believe.  They have such a running tradition folks assume it means they always are like that.  It's akin to believing Stetson is a system QB who can't make long passes.  He has more passing yardage than CJD (but played an extra game).

I won't be at all shocked if OSU wins.  A TO here or there could do it.


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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2022, 03:01:53 PM »
I saw one comparison about purported HS talent levels using "stars" and OSU and UGA were neck and neck.

I think the UM game dimmed folks' impressions of OSU probably to an extreme, while UGA's game with Mizzou did not, much, by now.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2022, 03:16:43 PM »
I saw one comparison about purported HS talent levels using "stars" and OSU and UGA were neck and neck.

I think the UM game dimmed folks' impressions of OSU probably to an extreme, while UGA's game with Mizzou did not, much, by now.
Yeah, UGA has fifteen composite 5*'s on the roster to OSU's 14. Both had around an additional fifty former 4*'s. These are the #2 and #3 rosters according to recruit rankings- on paper. The game isn't played or won on paper however. TCU had just one former 5*- who is a 205 lbs linebacker who was a transfer from LSU. TCU has just sixteen players that were 4*'s, rest are 3* or unranked. Michigan has three former 5*'s and 41 former 4*'s.

Not really sure how much any of that means.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2022, 03:17:08 PM »
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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2022, 03:21:07 PM »
The talent comparison simply means they are comparably talented using stars.  How they play out is of course something in the "necessary but not sufficient" category, perhaps TCU can break through.  In the past CFP playoffs, I think the more talented team has usually won, and teams with a lot less talent have never won.




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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2022, 03:21:59 PM »
Probably true. 

Although I have felt OSU has looked clunky ( for lack of a better word) since their bye week.  It may be at least partly due to the incredible number of serious injuries this season. The RB room, CB room and DL room have been in shambles most of the season. 

Also- the narrative around them not being physical is quite far from reality. 

The BIG is a physical conference.  In a 5 week stretch- they beat MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin and Penn State- not to mention ND. 

Yes, Georgia and UM are VERY physical teams. 

But Ohio State did not lose to UM this year due to that- like they did in Ann Arbor last year.

They lost because they were not as mentally tough on that particular day- The media, and UM got into their heads. They were so focused on proving they were “ tough” that they starting making huge mental mistakes they really hadn’t made all year.

I watched a great and detailed film study of the game that was done by a Georgia analyst and he commented that it was kind of a weird game to watch Michigan win by 22 when Ohio State had beaten them on roughly 3 out of four plays.

Michigan didn’t wear them down physically..  they wore them down mentally.  That’s on the coach for making the opponent bigger than they are. 

But it was not the normal trend for OSU- who faced down adversity all season and responded with high quality execution. 

Having said all that- what makes Georgia so damn hard to win against is not just the elite quality of their players but their level of execution on both sides of the ball is as good or better than anybody in the country. Their offense is extremely hard to stop even if you have a good defense, and their defense is hard to score run even if you have a good offense.  Not much in the way of weakness there.

I hope to see Ohio State play crisp and nearly error free game. I feel like if they do that they will at least make a game of it.  No hero plays- just trust your training and do your job. So for example- if your a DB, don’t overplay the run, cover your guy the way you’ve done all year, and don’t panic when the balls in the air by either falling down or not turning back to look for the ball and committing stupid pass interference.  Or- if you are an OL- don’t commit false starts when Ohio State goes up-tempo like you have done all year and did repeatedly against Michigan. 

Stuff like that. 
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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2022, 03:28:58 PM »
14-0 Goophs.

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Also, is there a different thread for B1G bowl games and other bowl games?  That's weird and unnecessary, but you do you.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2022, 03:36:36 PM »
I've been to one game in the MB dome, it gets LOUD, it was a UGA-Bama game with about equal fans on both sides, say 40 K each.  That many motivated fans in a dome can make a lot of noise.  This game could be 65-35, so noise could be a factor.

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Re: 2022-2023 B1G Bowl Stream of Consciousness
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2022, 03:41:02 PM »
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