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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2022, 05:14:54 PM
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May as well give it a go.
UW plays oSu tonight in the Copper Bowl or whatever.
Jim Leonhard is the head coach, while CLF will observe and cheer. Lots to play for here. UW has not had a losing record since 2001.
oSu does not have a good run defense, so I've read, so I'm predicting a Badger win tonight - 17-10 or so.
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So, I've got this POS game on between 2 nothing Carolina schools. It's 0.75 hour in and there is still 5+ minutes left in the first. Between reviews, penalties and other nonsense, this game won't end until 11:00 EST.
Badger game is set for 10:15. Bulljive.
The bonus?
We get Beth Mowins. Been a long time since UW's been cursed with that shit twice in one season.
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May as well give it a go.
UW plays oSu tonight in the Copper Bowl or whatever.
Jim Leonhard is the head coach, while CLF will observe and cheer. Lots to play for here. UW has not had a losing record since 2001.
oSu does not have a good run defense, so I've read, so I'm predicting a Badger win tonight - 17-10 or so.
Your Badgers better make it worthwhile. I am staying up late cheer for them.
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Your Badgers better make it worthwhile. I am staying up late cheer for them.
beware of the Boys
very fast
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So, I've got this POS game on between 2 nothing Carolina schools. It's 0.75 hour in and there is still 5+ minutes left in the first. Between reviews, penalties and other nonsense, this game won't end until 11:00 EST.
Badger game is set for 10:15. Bulljive.
The bonus?
We get Beth Mowins. Been a long time since UW's been cursed with that shit twice in one season.
Oh shoot I was gonna watch but... Beth Mowins...? Oof.
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beware of the Boys
very fast
News flash. UW is also fast.
So...
TWO hours of garbage football. Hopefully the ESecPN wonks have a plan to show the Badger game somewhere. One game today between P5 teams with actual fanbases, and they choose the 11:15 EST time slot. No wonder why that boob network is dying. Half of the fans (if not more) for each team will be in bed.
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Your Badgers better make it worthwhile. I am staying up late cheer for them.
Me too. gonna be hard to make it.
ESecPN f'd this up big time.
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I have to admit, I haven't seen a live snap of bowl game action yet.
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10:25 start on ESecPN2. Then move to ESecPN.
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Wow - and with playing in the Las Vegas Bowl last year, that's two years in a row Wisconsin gets a post-10pm kickoff start?
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I'm watching
Go Red
Go Bucky
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Went to the Badger bar, as a watch event had been advertised.
Bar had a few folks in, most of it was closed. Didn't see any UW gear and wasn't totally clear if the game was on.
Left, was home in 10 minutes, basically just had to have most of the first quarter on the phone.
Now on the couch, in comfy clothes, no worse for the experience.
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Coach Luke’s first assignment: practice catching TDs and pick sixes!
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Beth is ....
not good
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LET'S GO RED!!
Yeah, I'm still up. Fighting off a cold with some coffee and Johnnie Walker RED.
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LET'S GO RED!!
Yeah, I'm still up. Fighting off a cold with some coffee and Johnnie Walker RED.
The old man's FourLoko (or vodka Redbull)
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9 minutes left. Looking good.
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9 minutes left. Looking good.
OkSU gonna get a shot.
UW dialed up a nice play, but a great defensive play stopped it. Time to tense up.
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Well that was fun. Good guys win, finished above .500, something that was far from guaranteed after five games.
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good win
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I'll take it.
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Next up for the B1G we have Minnesota against Syracuse in NYC, but that's tomorrow. No B1G games today.
I was looking at the schedule, and the B1G teams are the "away" team for all 9 bowl games this year. Has that ever happened? Why is Michigan the "away" team when it's a higher seen than TCU?
Maybe bigten.org has it wrong?
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Next up for the B1G we have Minnesota against Syracuse in NYC, but that's tomorrow. No B1G games today.
I was looking at the schedule, and the B1G teams are the "away" team for all 9 bowl games this year. Has that ever happened? Why is Michigan the "away" team when it's a higher seen than TCU?
Maybe bigten.org has it wrong?
(https://i.imgur.com/G4ahHCi.png)
I wonder if it’s just about jerseys.
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Michigan should be wearing blue tops, no?
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Congratulations Wisconsin. The B1G is now 1-0 and here is what is left (sorted by pointspread from most to least favorable to the B1G):
- Minnesota -10 vs Cuse in the Pinstripe
- Michigan -7.5 vs TCU in the Fiesta
- Iowa -2.5 vs Kentucky in the Music City
- Illinois even vs MsSt in the ReliaQuest
- Maryland +1 vs NCST in the Duke's Mayo
- Penn State +2.5 vs Utah in the Rose
- Ohio State +6.5 vs Georgia in the Peach
- Purdue +14.5 vs LSU in the Citrus
Nine total bowls with a chance for one more (which could involve two B1G teams):
- One winner.
- Three more favorites.
- One pick.
- Four underdogs.
- Michigan is favored to get an extra game. They would be an underdog against UGA, not sure against tOSU*.
- Ohio State is NOT favored to get an extra game. If they do, they'll be favored against TCU, not sure about Michigan*.
*My guess is that tOSU would be favored because the necessary win over UGA to get there would improve the perception of tOSU FAR more than Michigan's win over TCU would improve the perception of Michigan and this would likely be true even if tOSU won controversially in OT while Michigan won in a blowout. Thus:
- If Michigan gets an extra game it will be as an underdog.
- If Ohio State gets an extra game it will be as a favorite.
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I saw some ESPiN thing giving UGA a 58% change of beating OSU, which of course is near enough to a coin flip as to make whatever methodology used to be silly really. Historically, a 7 point favorite wins about 2/3rds of the time, which I think is less than many would expect. So, a third of the time we call it an upset, a suprise, a shock even.
Not really. Outcomes in competitive games often hinge on the unpredictable.
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so, yer sayin there's a chance?
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There certainly is a chance, more than many think, if it's 1 in 3, which would be my guess. OSU has a lot of talented players who know how to play and are well coached.
TCU has about the same apparent chance over UM. I think "fans" tend to get way too up or down on a given team because of some single recent result.
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I think Minnesota is going to have a big day today. I'm seeing a 3TD win based on some pre-game reading.
Should be interesting.
Goophs: 31
Orange: 10
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There certainly is a chance, more than many think, if it's 1 in 3, which would be my guess. OSU has a lot of talented players who know how to play and are well coached.
TCU has about the same apparent chance over UM. I think "fans" tend to get way too up or down on a given team because of some single recent result.
Any given Saturday right.
Having said that, I think Georgia’s physicality will be too much for OSU. OSU has a fantastic QB and the best WR in cfb so if they get red hot- they can put up points on anyone imo. In the end, I just think Georgia is too physical and too deep and will just grind on them and wear them down.
Not really sure what to make of TCU vs Michigan. Duggan is impressive as all hell and that WR Johnson looks like a sure fire future 1st rd pick. But I don’t think an undersized OL and undersized defensive front that runs a 3-3-5 is a good matchup for them vs Michigan. Michigan OL has maulers on the interior in Keegan, Oluwatimi, and Zinter and they play a lot of 2 & 3 TE sets and play extra OL. And the on the flip side, Mike Morris is back at edge and he goes about 6’6, 290 and Mazi Smith is plugging up the middle and he goes about 6’3, 335.
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Any given Saturday right.
Having said that, I think Georgia’s physicality will be too much for OSU. OSU has a fantastic QB and the best WR in cfb so if they get red hot- they can put up points on anyone imo. In the end, I just think Georgia is too physical and too deep and will just grind on them and wear them down.
Not really sure what to make of TCU vs Michigan. Duggan is impressive as all hell and that WR Johnson looks like a sure fire future 1st rd pick. But I don’t think an undersized OL and undersized defensive front that runs a 3-3-5 is a good matchup for them vs Michigan. Michigan OL has maulers on the interior in Keegan, Oluwatimi, and Zinter and they play a lot of 2 & 3 TE sets and play extra OL. And the on the flip side, Mike Morris is back at edge and he goes about 6’6, 290 and Mazi Smith is plugging up the middle and he goes about 6’3, 335.
It is interesting how similar the two games appear to be.
Both favorites are undefeated teams that are generally viewed as more physical than their opponents and will want to run the ball, control the clock, and grind down their opponent.
Both underdogs lost their last game and are generally viewed as having a better QB/WR combo than their opponent.
As I see it, both underdogs are good enough to make winning a realistic possibility but they each would probably need an above average day from their defense and a great game from the aforementioned QB/WR combos. What makes it interesting is that their QB/WR combos are talented enough to make that a reasonable possibility.
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I think OSU is a lesser dog than TCU, but probably not by much. UGA likely passes more often than folks tend to believe. They have such a running tradition folks assume it means they always are like that. It's akin to believing Stetson is a system QB who can't make long passes. He has more passing yardage than CJD (but played an extra game).
I won't be at all shocked if OSU wins. A TO here or there could do it.
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Goophs up 7-0.
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I think OSU is a lesser dog than TCU, but probably not by much. UGA likely passes more often than folks tend to believe. They have such a running tradition folks assume it means they always are like that. It's akin to believing Stetson is a system QB who can't make long passes. He has more passing yardage than CJD (but played an extra game).
I won't be at all shocked if OSU wins. A TO here or there could do it.
sandbagger
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I saw one comparison about purported HS talent levels using "stars" and OSU and UGA were neck and neck.
I think the UM game dimmed folks' impressions of OSU probably to an extreme, while UGA's game with Mizzou did not, much, by now.
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I saw one comparison about purported HS talent levels using "stars" and OSU and UGA were neck and neck.
I think the UM game dimmed folks' impressions of OSU probably to an extreme, while UGA's game with Mizzou did not, much, by now.
Yeah, UGA has fifteen composite 5*'s on the roster to OSU's 14. Both had around an additional fifty former 4*'s. These are the #2 and #3 rosters according to recruit rankings- on paper. The game isn't played or won on paper however. TCU had just one former 5*- who is a 205 lbs linebacker who was a transfer from LSU. TCU has just sixteen players that were 4*'s, rest are 3* or unranked. Michigan has three former 5*'s and 41 former 4*'s.
Not really sure how much any of that means.
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14-0 Goophs.
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The talent comparison simply means they are comparably talented using stars. How they play out is of course something in the "necessary but not sufficient" category, perhaps TCU can break through. In the past CFP playoffs, I think the more talented team has usually won, and teams with a lot less talent have never won.
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Probably true.
Although I have felt OSU has looked clunky ( for lack of a better word) since their bye week. It may be at least partly due to the incredible number of serious injuries this season. The RB room, CB room and DL room have been in shambles most of the season.
Also- the narrative around them not being physical is quite far from reality.
The BIG is a physical conference. In a 5 week stretch- they beat MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin and Penn State- not to mention ND.
Yes, Georgia and UM are VERY physical teams.
But Ohio State did not lose to UM this year due to that- like they did in Ann Arbor last year.
They lost because they were not as mentally tough on that particular day- The media, and UM got into their heads. They were so focused on proving they were “ tough” that they starting making huge mental mistakes they really hadn’t made all year.
I watched a great and detailed film study of the game that was done by a Georgia analyst and he commented that it was kind of a weird game to watch Michigan win by 22 when Ohio State had beaten them on roughly 3 out of four plays.
Michigan didn’t wear them down physically.. they wore them down mentally. That’s on the coach for making the opponent bigger than they are.
But it was not the normal trend for OSU- who faced down adversity all season and responded with high quality execution.
Having said all that- what makes Georgia so damn hard to win against is not just the elite quality of their players but their level of execution on both sides of the ball is as good or better than anybody in the country. Their offense is extremely hard to stop even if you have a good defense, and their defense is hard to score run even if you have a good offense. Not much in the way of weakness there.
I hope to see Ohio State play crisp and nearly error free game. I feel like if they do that they will at least make a game of it. No hero plays- just trust your training and do your job. So for example- if your a DB, don’t overplay the run, cover your guy the way you’ve done all year, and don’t panic when the balls in the air by either falling down or not turning back to look for the ball and committing stupid pass interference. Or- if you are an OL- don’t commit false starts when Ohio State goes up-tempo like you have done all year and did repeatedly against Michigan.
Stuff like that.
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14-0 Goophs.
14-7
Also, is there a different thread for B1G bowl games and other bowl games? That's weird and unnecessary, but you do you.
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I've been to one game in the MB dome, it gets LOUD, it was a UGA-Bama game with about equal fans on both sides, say 40 K each. That many motivated fans in a dome can make a lot of noise. This game could be 65-35, so noise could be a factor.
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21-13 Goophs now. Cuse just got another FG.
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What a shitty bowl game. No teams should be playing in these baseball stadiums. Field is crappy and players get injured.
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It's a strange fetish college football has for hosting Bowl games in baseball stadiums:
Fenway, Pinstrip in Yankee Stadium, the bowl where the Diamondbacks play, and the Holiday Bowl at Petco Park (the field didn't hold up last night), and now it looks like a soccer stadium want a Chili Bowl:
https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status/1608497441279709186
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What a shitty bowl game. No teams should be playing in these baseball stadiums. Field is crappy and players get injured.
Agree 100%. The field in PHX also sucked the other night for UW/oSu. Bad plan.
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Why did Barnum go to Morgan? Did the Greek God get hurt?
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Congrats to the Goophs.
B1G 2-0. Next up Maryland. Or are they ACC?
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An 8-4 B1G team would normally be playing in a fairly decent bowl, no?
I think were I AD I'd turn down that bowl invitation.
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An 8-4 B1G team would normally be playing in a fairly decent bowl, no?
I think were I AD I'd turn down that bowl invitation.
Can't really do that. Conference contracts and all that.
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It is interesting how similar the two games appear to be.
Both favorites are undefeated teams that are generally viewed as more physical than their opponents and will want to run the ball, control the clock, and grind down their opponent.
Both underdogs lost their last game and are generally viewed as having a better QB/WR combo than their opponent.
As I see it, both underdogs are good enough to make winning a realistic possibility but they each would probably need an above average day from their defense and a great game from the aforementioned QB/WR combos. What makes it interesting is that their QB/WR combos are talented enough to make that a reasonable possibility.
I don’t think the matchups are that similar to be honest. OSU has MUCH better personnel than TCU. On defense and offense and the lines of scrimmage.
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Agree 100%. The field in PHX also sucked the other night for UW/oSu. Bad plan.
Gophers caught that BS bowl last year too. Hopefully that means that the baseball bowls are in the rearview for a couple years.
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Gophers caught that BS bowl last year too. Hopefully that means that the baseball bowls are in the rearview for a couple years.
Only one person to blame for signing your conference up for this crap-- the commissioner. It really is possible to just say no.
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Congratulations Wisconsin and Minnesota! The B1G is now 2-0 and here is what is left (sorted by pointspread from most to least favorable to the B1G):
- Michigan -7.5 vs TCU in the Fiesta
- -2.5 vs Kentucky in the Music City
- Illinois even vs MsSt in the ReliaQuest
- Maryland +1 vs NCST in the Duke's Mayo
- Penn State +2.5 vs Utah in the Rose
- Ohio State +6.5 vs Georgia in the Peach
- Purdue +14.5 vs LSU in the Citrus
Nine total bowls with a chance for one more (which could involve two B1G teams):
- One winner.
- Three more favorites.
- One pick.
- Four underdogs.
- Michigan is favored to get an extra game. They would be an underdog against UGA, not sure against tOSU*.
- Ohio State is NOT favored to get an extra game. If they do, they'll be favored.
Updated for Minnesota's win.
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Why did Barnum go to Morgan? Did the Greek God get hurt?
At first blush it looked like multiple blown ligaments, but in his presser PJ said it would be a two week injury if it were in the regular season. Athan was back on the sideline in a walking boot by the end of the game.
This shit bowl game has got to go. No business playing on a baseball field.
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An 8-4 B1G team would normally be playing in a fairly decent bowl, no?
I think were I AD I'd turn down that bowl invitation.
The Big Ten basically just moves teams around, aside from the Rose getting the best available. And there's some rule that a team can't go to the same bowl twice in a 6 year span. Part of my complaint about the bowl selection process. Once you get bowl eligible, it's not even like you are necessarily playing for a better bowl.
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I might be premature predicting the "end of bowl games" ... I have been surprised at the intensity displayed in several I've watched (partially). The players are getting after it. Now, the financial aspects may kill some off, as happens anyway, or even many. How many will be left after say 2026?
I really do view these as a combination as a reward for seniors in their last year and a way to play more "twos" to prepare for next year with game reps for the starters in 2023. Sure, you'd like to win, but with the opt outs, you could be facing a very depleted opponent forced to play twos.
I guess going from 8-4 to 9-4 is a thing, you end up ranked and can claim that. Yay.
How much is ESPN going to pay for the Poulan Weedeater Bowl in 2026?
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3-0.
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It amazes me often how much the HC means in CFB in terms of winning (or not). Obviously it goes far beyond game day coaching.
We all see a lot of programs that well could be at least very good, NC State is one of them I think, and yet they can't find that pearl of a coach.
And teams that once were Blue Bloods fall on hard times apparently as a result.
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Doeren is a good coach, but he's not gonna take NCSU over the hump. Not sure who could.
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Doeren is a good coach, but he's not gonna take NCSU over the hump. Not sure who could.
He’s such an odd coach. Decent floor, low ceiling.
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Saban is going bald.
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4-2.
No thanks to the little 2.
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4-2.
No thanks to the little 2.
I guess you were right all along 847-
Ohio State and Michigan were “ paper tigers”
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4-2.
No thanks to the little 2.
I guess you were right all along 847-
Ohio State and Michigan were “ paper tigers”
Oh BS.
Ohio State played the best team in the country, led for almost the entire game, and lost by one point after missing a FG at the buzzer.
Michigan played one of the best 15 or so teams in the country and lost by one score.
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Oh BS.
Ohio State played the best team in the country, led for almost the entire game, and lost by one point after missing a FG at the buzzer.
Michigan played one of the best 15 or so teams in the country and lost by one score.
I guess I should have used the sarcasm font. 😂😂
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4-2.
Hopefully Penn State, Illinois and Purdue can do something today tomorrow. All 3 teams are playing up. Not gonna be easy.
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i THINK UM and OSU might be the best two teams in the country, and Bama is probably in that group also. UGA obviously is getting exposed on the back end which was to be their strength. A new "line" on games between OSU and UGA would probably be even or favoring the former.
But single game outcomes obviously ...
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Oh BS.
Ohio State played the best team in the country
Easy cheetah he was chain yanking
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Yep.
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I don't think UGA's problem is the back end. As good as their defenses have been the past 2 years, they lack a great pass-rusher. They don't get many sacks, especially for an elite team/defense.
Now, this works for them 95% of the time, and that's great and all. They tend to get good pressure, but you can't line up a bunch of beef and expect to get many sacks.
Any defensive backfield will have holes in it without making getting to the QB a priority. You'd be hard-pressed to find a top defense with as few sacks as UGA has in each of the past 2 seasons.
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They lost what probably was their best pass rusher to a torn pec, which is a bit unusual.
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watched both games and came away feeling both big ten teams should have won.
i truly believe OSU is the best team i have seen all year. a slip here or there and it cost the game. bad timing on over turn calls that to my eye without a real dog in the fight went against the big ten in both games
still cannot believe video evidence was there on the out of bounds short of the first down in the OSU game. I went to grab a drink and came back and was totally confused as to how they gave that reversal?
but that is football and the powers that anoint the refs made it clear how they wanted the outcomes to be
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I don't think UGA's problem is the back end. As good as their defenses have been the past 2 years, they lack a great pass-rusher. They don't get many sacks, especially for an elite team/defense.
Forget the kid's name but some 5* DE from FLA picked the Dawgs over the Buckeyes about 3 weeks back
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Georgia added a key defensive piece to its 2023 class with the commitment of Damon Wilson, a five-star edge rusher from Venice (Fla.) High. Here's what you need to know:. Wilson, ranked No. 13 overall and the No. 2 edge in the 247Sports Composite, picked the Bulldogs over Ohio State and Alabama.D
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My GOAL in watching my team is to try and enjoy it and rationalize whenever they lose that CFB really doesn't matter (it doesn't). It didn't change my life when they won the NC last year significantly, I was happy for a day or so about it. I do get overly nervous at times. I can't be totally apathetic and enjoy it, but I can't let a loss ruin my day or week either.
I watched this year's Mizzou game and was into rationalizing mode in the 4th quarter, and last night I went to bed (I was tired and the game seemed over.)
There is a balance in there somewhere.
I do bark at the TV some ...
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If anyone thinks the refs care which team wins has never been a ref. Your sole goal is to get it right, all the while knowing you won't be perfect.
On the replays, it's the same thing. On the UGA-OSU reversed 1st down conversion play, no part of Bowers' body touched out of the field of play until after the ball was across the line. Now, a debate could be had that the ball wasn't brought forward across the first down line until it was above the out-of-bounds area, but I don't think there was any way to know that one way or the other.
Contrary to what many might believe, I wanted UGA to lose. I want UGA to lose every game they play.
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Contrary to what many might believe, I wanted UGA to lose. I want UGA to lose every game they play.
Rough year for you. Rough couple of years.
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it can be entertaining
and cause you to experience some strong emotional feelings
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there's just some teams/people ya can't make yerself root for
I was pulling for TCU yesterday
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it can be entertaining
and cause you to experience some strong emotional feelings
Hey my TVs are still working - so I have that going for me
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I never root for Eastern Michigan ...
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Man your boys beat UofM last year thumping on EMU,suppose you hate the Gator's too. Gator will coming over from the other side if you don't knock it off
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but that is football and the powers that anoint the refs made it clear how they wanted the outcomes to be
There is zero chance that any of the television powers that be who might attempt to influence the refs, wanted TCU to win that game. Absolutely zero.
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Of course, the biggest ratings game would be OSU-UM with UGA being a close second. TCU? Most fans probably don't even know what state they are from.
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that's why it should have been MU/OSU and Dawgs/Frogs in the first round
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So many of the calls in sports now are judgement calls. Right. I mean every play has holding, and the Ref has to judge when the holding becomes too egregious. It was funny to me reading Georgia fans during the game scream holding every play. My Buckeye friends were screaming the same thing the other way. I heard three commentators this Bowl use the term "He's just finishing off the Block." when everyone else was screaming "It's a hold!"
A lot of times those judgment calls end up pretty balanced, or the game has enough spread that a perceived judgement call against your team doesn't effect the outcome.
But then you have this CFP, both games close both games had huge swings in momentum that came from these judgment calls. I don't have the data, but I feel like 9 out of 10 times the TCU spear is called targeting. And I feel like 6 out of 10 times the Harrison Concussion is called targeting (the fact a flag was thrown immediately, and he was concussed raised my percentage to 9 out of 10 times the call would stand.) It's a judgement call and the Refs would defend either outcome.
Georgia's Superman 1st down he was marked a yard short, then the play was scrutinized and the ball moved. The next possession Stroud comes up a yard short on a scramble, the ref marks the ball where his foot goes out, and not where he was leaning outstretched. That play doesn't get the same scrutinized treatment. Result Georgia Touchdown, OSU Punt. The calls were probably right, but they were handled different and leads towards a feeling of Bias.
OSU's sneak the ball is snapped before the ref turns his head and acknowledges the time out. Smart is totally calling for a time out well before the ball is snapped but the Ref doesn't react till after. Numerous times the play stands with the Ref saying you did't get my attention in time. This time the Ref awards the time out, I didn't hear a whistle till after Rossi starts his dive across the line of gain, the whistle was super late. Leads towards a feeling of Bias.
Are the Refs biased? No. (I mean no, I really hope they aren't, but I don't know for sure, lots of money out there than can make good people do silly things.) But when those close judgement calls lean towards one team, and that team then goes on to win in a close game it feels to us fans that it was biased.
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So many of the calls in sports now are judgement calls. Right. I mean every play has holding, and the Ref has to judge when the holding becomes too egregious. It was funny to me reading Georgia fans during the game scream holding every play. My Buckeye friends were screaming the same thing the other way. I heard three commentators this Bowl use the term "He's just finishing off the Block." when everyone else was screaming "It's a hold!"
A lot of times those judgment calls end up pretty balanced, or the game has enough spread that a perceived judgement call against your team doesn't effect the outcome.
But then you have this CFP, both games close both games had huge swings in momentum that came from these judgment calls. I don't have the data, but I feel like 9 out of 10 times the TCU spear is called targeting. And I feel like 6 out of 10 times the Harrison Concussion is called targeting (the fact a flag was thrown immediately, and he was concussed raised my percentage to 9 out of 10 times the call would stand.) It's a judgement call and the Refs would defend either outcome.
Georgia's Superman 1st down he was marked a yard short, then the play was scrutinized and the ball moved. The next possession Stroud comes up a yard short on a scramble, the ref marks the ball where his foot goes out, and not where he was leaning outstretched. That play doesn't get the same scrutinized treatment. Result Georgia Touchdown, OSU Punt. The calls were probably right, but they were handled different and leads towards a feeling of Bias.
OSU's sneak the ball is snapped before the ref turns his head and acknowledges the time out. Smart is totally calling for a time out well before the ball is snapped but the Ref doesn't react till after. Numerous times the play stands with the Ref saying you did't get my attention in time. This time the Ref awards the time out, I didn't hear a whistle till after Rossi starts his dive across the line of gain, the whistle was super late. Leads towards a feeling of Bias.
Are the Refs biased? No. (I mean no, I really hope they aren't, but I don't know for sure, lots of money out there than can make good people do silly things.) But when those close judgement calls lean towards one team, and that team then goes on to win in a close game it feels to us fans that it was biased.
on replay it was clear the ref heard the request for time out prior to the snap
I dont think this was even a gray area call
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4-4 after starting 4-0. Now we need Penn State to win to finish over .500.
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4-5
The Purdue loss counts double.
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I thought the Utes played defense
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I thought the Utes played defense
Apparently not.
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I thought the Utes played defense
They typically do but you know it’s not that simple. When your quarterback and best player goes down and your offense can’t move the ball not only does your defense have to play a different style but they get tired.
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well, allowing (2) 87 & 88 yard scores isn't the QB's fault
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Great cap to Clifford's career.
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well, allowing (2) 87 & 88 yard scores isn't the QB's fault
Of course not. Nothing like that was said or inferred.
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lol @ Franklin "it's basically a home game for them"
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Okay, I get facing Miami in the OB.
UGA in Atlanta, yeah.
LSU in the Sugar, sure.
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No, not Utah in the RB. Not like a home game. Sorry.
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well, at least the Big Ten is still better than the PAC
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MAC is best in bowl record.
(https://i.imgur.com/P3N3ueT.png)
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I expected the Big Ten to flounder in the bowl games with two teams in the playoffs. Instead, the two teams in the playoffs floundered, and the rest of the Big Ten was 5-2 in bowl games.
I should also say the playoff teams gave respectable performances. No game is perfectly refereed, but I thought Michigan actually won on the field of play. Ohio State learned the importance of kickers.
When you win games at the margins, like Iowa, we have known the importance of kickers for years.
And, when you are also a Florida State alumnus, where wide left and wide right were broadcasted and consequently embedded deep in the brain, such information is retained for decades, and can be replayed to Ohio State people decades later, like a movie.
2002 Miami vs Florida State - Wide Left - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQtpPIbQvk)
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Ya they floundered, two exciting down to the wire games but ya go with floundered. How about the importance of a QB and and OC? Year in/out Buckeye kickers are in the top 3/4 of either yardage or percentages
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(https://i.imgur.com/xWxaFni.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/qOPCBbW.png)
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The BIG held up ok.
Too lazy to look- how many of the games were BIG teams favored in?
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UW was favored by 3 points. The others (thanks MB):
(https://i.imgur.com/V3rZvH7.png)
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I should also say the playoff teams gave respectable performances. No game is perfectly refereed, but I thought Michigan actually won on the field of play. Ohio State re-learned the importance of kickers.
They clearly forgot the lessons of Tressel-ball. Mike Nugent was a stone cold killer.
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UW was favored by 3 points. The others (thanks MB):
[img width=273.429 height=248]https://i.imgur.com/V3rZvH7.png[/img]
So in terms of performance vs expectation:
- 18.5 Iowa, favored by 2.5, won by 21
- 16.5 Penn State, dog by 2.5, won by 14
- 5.5 Ohio State, dog by 6.5, lost by 1
- 5 Maryland, dog by 1, won by 4
- 4 Wisconsin, favored by 3, won by 7
- -3 Minnesota, favored by 10, won by 8
- -9 Illinois, even, lost by 9
- -13.5 Michigan, favored by 7.5, lost by 6
- -41.5 Purdue, dog by 14.5, lost by 56
That isn't bad. 5-4 ATS. We had one REALLY bad performance (Purdue) and two substantially below expectations (Michigan, Illinois). Two were substantially better than expected (IA, PSU) and the rest (tOSU, UMD, UW, MN) were about as expected.
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IMO the Buckeyes exceeded expectations but then I was buying into the national narrative set by slappies
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Georgia doesn't seem to be nearly as great as the usual undefeated SEC champ
I'm expecting the frogs to give the dawgs a game