2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread

[847badgerfan]

Why the hell not?

Wy prolong the agony?

[ELA]

think of nit like a non-CFP bowl.

FIFY

[847badgerfan]

think of nit like a non-bcs bowl. no one really wants it, but it's still very useful if for nothing else than more practices for the young guys.

Most of the "young guys" on the team need to find a home elsewhere. There are two 2nd year guys I particularly have in mind.

The one true freshman is great.

[bayareabadger]

Wy prolong the agony?

Because making the tournaments good, and winning games is good. (if they want to turn down the NIT, fine with me, though honestly I still like watching Wisconsin basketball so whatever)

[bayareabadger]

think of nit like a non-bcs bowl. no one really wants it, but it's still very useful if for nothing else than more practices for the young guys.

The older I get, the more convinced I am that getting the young guys reps is incredibly overrated. 

On the other hand, for football more than basketball, I do subscribe to the theory that you only get so many actual games, so it says something when you don’t want to take advantage of that.

[847badgerfan]

Because making the tournaments good, and winning games is good. (if they want to turn down the NIT, fine with me, though honestly I still like watching Wisconsin basketball so whatever)

I do too. But that's not what we're watching.

We're watching a team blow late leads, miss free throws, make bad shot selection, getting shots blocked, missing open guys and getting outrebounded.

That, my friend, is NOT Wisconsin Basketball.

[FearlessF]

hah, wait till the football team is running the air raid offense

[medinabuckeye1]

Sorry for the screw up vis-a-vis PSU/UW earlier.  

Deeper dive on potential seeds:
14-5 Purdue, vs IL:
They are the #1 seed regardless of outcomes this weekend.  

The six 11-8 teams, UMD, IU, IL, NU, IA, M:
At least one (the IU/M winner) will finish in or tied for second place at 12-8.  At least one (the IU/M loser) will finish 11-9.  The winners this weekend will all finish ahead of MSU while the losers will finish behind MSU assuming that MSU beats tOSU.  The losers this weekend will be tied with each other and Rutgers if Rutgers beats Northwestern.  Here are the six, who they play this weekend, and their H2H records against all of the teams that they could potentially end up tied with:

Maryland, at PSU:  1-0 vs IU, 1-0 vs IL, 1-0 vs NU, 0-1 vs IA, 1-1 vs M, 0-1 vs RU.  
If the Terps win in State College they will probably get the #2 seed.  With a win this weekend they don't have to worry about the 0-1 record against RU because they'll be ahead of RU.  They are perfect against IU, IL, and NU and split with M.  Only their 0-1 against Iowa could trip them up.  

Indiana, vs M:  0-1 vs UMD, 2-0 vs IL, 0-2 vs NU, 0-2 vs IA, 1-1 vs RU (M is not included because they can't tie M).  
These are mostly not good.  Aside from Illinois, the Hoosiers would lose most ties.  

Illinois, at PU:  0-1 vs UMD, 0-2 vs IU, 1-1 vs NU, 0-1 vs IA, 1-0 vs M, 1-0 vs RU.  
These are mostly not good but they would win a tie with M, RU, or both so that may set a floor for them.  

Northwestern at RU:  0-1 vs UMD, 2-0 vs IU, 1-1 vs IL, 1-1 vs IA, 0-2 vs M, 0-2 vs RU (because in order to tie RU they would have to lose this weekend).  
These are mostly not good but they are 2-0 vs IU.  

Iowa, vs UNL:  1-0 vs UMD, 2-0 vs IU, 1-0 vs IL, 1-1 vs NU, 1-0 vs M, 2-0 vs RU.  
Iowa wins nearly all ties with the possible exception being something involving NU.  

Michigan, at IU:  1-1 vs UMD, 0-1 vs IL, 2-0 vs NU, 0-1 vs IA, 1-0 vs RU (IU is not included because they can't tie IU).  
This is a mixed bag if I ever saw it.  

10-8 Michigan State, vs tOSU:
The Spartans can't tie anybody so this one is relatively simple.  If they win they finish behind PU, the IU/M winner, and any other of the 11-8 teams that win this weekend.  If they lose they finish behind PU, all six currently 11-8 teams, and RU if they win this weekend.  

10-9 Rutgers, vs NU:  
If they lose they get the #9 seed.  They could end up tied with PSU for 9th/10th but they swept the Lions so they'd win that tie.  If they win they will end up tied with NU, the M/IU loser and any other of the 11-8 teams that lose this weekend. Those H2H records are:  1-0 vs UMD, 1-1 vs IU, 0-1 vs IL, 2-0 vs NU, 0-2 vs IA, 0-1 vs M.  

What helps the Scarlet Knights is that if they do win, they will be tied with NU and 2-0 against the Wildcats.  

9-10 Penn State, vs UMD:
If they win they'd get the #10 seed either as #10 alone or after losing a tie with RU for 9th/10th.  If they lose they still could finish alone in 10th place or tied with either Wisconsin or Nebraska, or both for 10th, 11th, and 12th.  Their H2H against UW and UNL are 0-2 vs UW, 1-1 vs UNL.  

8-11 Wisconsin (@MN) and Nebraska (@IA):
Neither of these teams can be caught from behind so it is simply between them and PSU (if PSU loses) for the #10 through #12 seeds.  If they tie each other, Nebraska wins because they won the only meeting between these two.  

If Penn State wins, they get the #10 and UW/UNL are #11 and #12.  If PSU loses then either of these two could join them at 9-11 with a win this weekend.  Wisconsin would win a tie with PSU.  

5-14 Ohio State at MSU:
Locked into the #13 seed.  

2-16 Minnesota, vs UW:
Locked into the #14 seed.  

[bayareabadger]

hah, wait till the football team is running the air raid offense

People gotta stop calling that. It's only air raid in the looses sense of the word. 

[bayareabadger]

I do too. But that's not what we're watching.

We're watching a team blow late leads, miss free throws, make bad shot selection, getting shots blocked, missing open guys and getting outrebounded.

That, my friend, is NOT Wisconsin Basketball.

It's interesting. I've never seen them in the NIT. I don't know how I would respond. They also just might not take the spot if offered. 

I looked it up. They've had 19 games where the margin at the end of regulation was 5 or less. That is wild and annoying. (they're 10-9)

[ELA]

MSUs perimeter defense has fallen off a cliff.  If this hot shooting drops off for even one game, MSU can't win playing this.  Massive confusion on every switch

[ELA]

It's interesting. I've never seen them in the NIT. I don't know how I would respond. They also just might not take the spot if offered.

I looked it up. They've had 19 games where the margin at the end of regulation was 5 or less. That is wild and annoying. (they're 10-9)

Considering how year to year college basketball is now, I'm not sure the benefit is that large anymore.  It's not even like football where you have 100+ guys, and maybe you give a kid who might be your starting QB next year his first real reps in a Citrus Bowl.  If a guy hasn't played til now, eh.  In the pre portal era, there were years where maybe it was better for MSUs development to have an NIT run, but now, not sure there is much benefit.  

[bayareabadger]

Considering how year to year college basketball is now, I'm not sure the benefit is that large anymore.  It's not even like football where you have 100+ guys, and maybe you give a kid who might be your starting QB next year his first real reps in a Citrus Bowl.  If a guy hasn't played til now, eh.  In the pre portal era, there were years where maybe it was better for MSUs development to have an NIT run, but now, not sure there is much benefit. 

Also, let's be real, football game and practice reps are much, much harder to replicate. You can play a boatload of basketball and do a lot of drills in the offseason, some with the coaches. 

But if the kids feel like doing it, playing together more, I don't see a reason not to. I might put about the same amount of weight on it as the preseason trip to France, but might as well see something. (UW has a roster where I basically wouldn't be sore seeing any non-starter leave. Would really like if no starter left)

[bayareabadger]

I Hoggard gonna go pro? I'd like him to go pro.