2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread

[bayareabadger]

Badgers waste little time crapping on the hope I had for them. 

They're in a weird spot because their not best starters are playing fine to good, but their best players (better than those other guys) are not playing well enough, which creates a weird spot for roster transition, should it come in the offseason. 

[medinabuckeye1]

Badgers waste little time crapping on the hope I had for them.

They're in a weird spot because their not best starters are playing fine to good, but their best players (better than those other guys) are not playing well enough, which creates a weird spot for roster transition, should it come in the offseason.

I regret to inform you that your Badgers are not nearly as good as my Buckeyes made them look.

[847badgerfan]

Put a fork in them. Their done.

Fat Lady at 11.

[bayareabadger]

I regret to inform you that your Badgers are not nearly as good as my Buckeyes made them look.

Medina, I mean it as nicely as possible.

I didn’t care about how the buckeyes made the Badgers look. Not one bit. I looked at the schedule, I looked at the analytics, and I did a little hoping. I put no weight into the quality of the buckeyes other than to say that Wisconsin won a game it was supposed to lose, and it badly needed win volume.

I’m just very tired of the Buckeye wallowing and did not and I am not going to bring it into my experience of my own team. I’m sorry this season makes you sad.

[MaximumSam]

They should do twin studies on the Murray and Davis brothers

[847badgerfan]

Just goes to show how good Johnny Davis and Brad Davison were. This is essentially the same lineup, minus them.

[medinabuckeye1]

Over the weekend all 14 teams played and there was only one result not correctly predicted by the tiers, Northwestern's win in Madison.  

Northwestern is just an odd case.  There have now been a total of 20 upsets and the Wildcats have been involved in more than a third of them, seven.  Northwestern has played 12 games and more than half have not gone according to the projections.  It would be easy to say that we have them in the wrong tier except that the upsets do not really lean one way or the other.  they have four positive upsets (road wins in East Lansing, Bloomington, Lincoln, and Madison) and three negative upsets (home losses to Ohio State, Rutgers, and Michigan).  I see no way to square that circle other than just to say that the Wildcats, for whatever reason, are just a highly unpredictable team.  

So with that upset not much changes but here are the updated projected final standings/BTT seeds:

• 18-2/29-2 Purdue
• 12-8/21-10 Illinois
• 12-8/20-11 Rutgers
• 12-8/20-11 Michigan State
• 11-9/19-12 Iowa
• 11-9/20-11 Penn State
• 11-9/20-11 Maryland
• 11-9/17-14 Michigan
• 11-9/20-11 Northwestern
• 11-9/20-11 Indiana
• 9-11/17-13 Wisconsin
• 7-13/14-17 Nebraska
• 3-17/11-20 Ohio State
• 1-19/7-23 Minnesota

Tiebreakers:
The three-way tie at 12-8 is broken first based on H2H2H:

• 2-0 Illinois because they do not visit Piscataway nor East Lansing
• 1-2 Rutgers because they do not host the Illini.  They beat MSU due to a better record against PU
• 1-2 Michigan State because they do not host the Illini.  They lose to RU due to a worse record against PU

The six-way tie at 11-9 is broken first based on H2H2H2H2H2H:

• 4-3 Iowa ties PSU and UMD in the six-way H2H, beats PSU and UMD based on record against the 12-8 teams
• 4-3 Penn State ties IA and UMD in the six-way H2H, finishes between them based on record against the 12-8 teams
• 4-3 Maryland ties IA and PSU in the six-way H2H, loses to them based on record against the 12-8 teams
• 5-4 Michigan because they do not host Iowa and beat Northwestern in Evanston
• 4-4 Northwestern because they do not host Maryland, do not travel to State College, beat Indiana in Bloomington, and lost to Michigan in Evanston
• 2-6 Indiana because they do not host Maryland nor Penn State and lost at home to Northwestern.  

Thus the projected match-ups for the BTT at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois would be:
Wednesday, March 8, BTN:

• #11 Wisconsin vs #14 Minnesota, 830
• #12 Nebraska vs #13 Ohio State, 6

Thursday, March 9, BTN:

• #5 Iowa vs UNL/tOSU, 230
• #6 Penn State vs UW/MN, 9
• #7 Maryland vs #10 Indiana, 630
• #8 Michigan vs #9 Northwestern, noon

Friday, March 10, BTN:

• #1 Purdue vs M/NU, noon
• #2 Illinois vs UMD/IU, 630
• #3 Rutgers vs PSU/UW/MN, 9
• #4 Michigan State vs IA/UNL/tOSU, 230

Saturday, March 11, CBS:

• PU/M/NU vs MSU/IA/UNL/tOSU, 1
• IL/UMD/IU vs RU/PSU/UW/MN, 330

Sunday, March 12, CBS:

• PU/M/NU/MSU/IA/UNL/tOSU vs IL/UMD/IU/RU/PSU/UW/MN, 330

At this point it appears that Ohio State and Wisconsin have separated themselves from the group, in a negative way.  That said, there is still a lot of fluidity here.  Our projected #2 seed (IL) is projected to finish only ONE GAME ahead of our projected #10 seed (IU) so for each of the teams in that 2-10 group even a single upset can mean a dramatic change in projected seeding.  

Additionally, while Minnesota, Ohio State, and Nebraska are too far behind in the loss column to catch up with the group, the Badgers are still tied in the loss column with Penn State, just one game behind MSU, and only two games down to UMD, NU, IU, IL, IA, and M.  Thus, if Wisconsin can get things figured out and pull a couple of upsets they are right back in the thick of the 2-10 group.  They are rapidly running out of time, but it wouldn't be impossible.  

Speaking of Wisconsin, I think that the next two games are crucial for them.  They visit State College this week and Lincoln this weekend.  Both are projected losses but neither seems altogether impossible for the Badgers to win.  If they DO lose both, I think they join UNL, tOSU, and MN as the league's crappy teams.  If they win both, they are back in the thick of the 2-10 group.  Split and they are kinda half-way.  

[medinabuckeye1]

Medina, I mean it as nicely as possible.

I didn’t care about how the buckeyes made the Badgers look. Not one bit. I looked at the schedule, I looked at the analytics, and I did a little hoping. I put no weight into the quality of the buckeyes other than to say that Wisconsin won a game it was supposed to lose, and it badly needed win volume.

I’m just very tired of the Buckeye wallowing and did not and I am not going to bring it into my experience of my own team. I’m sorry this season makes you sad.

I really didn't mean it as "Buckeye wallowing".  I was thinking of it from an opposing team's fan perspective.  Not all that long ago, Ohio State was a ranked team.  Thus, if I were a Wisconsin, Indiana, or Illinois fan it would be easy to look at my team's recent win over Ohio State and over-value it.  

Maybe I misread your post.  I typed my "regret to inform you . . ." post in response to your post (shortly after UW's loss to NU) where you said that the "Badgers waste little time crapping on the hope (you) had for them."  I took that to mean that you had built up hope at least partly based on the Badger's win over tOSU.  I was thinking that doing so would appear to be somewhat reasonable.  

[MaximumSam]

Just goes to show how good Johnny Davis and Brad Davison were. This is essentially the same lineup, minus them.

A Gard without guards just isn't the same

[boilerbanger]

Have not seen this metric before .. Shot Quality both offense and defense, not sure how this is graded.


https://twitter.com/Shot_Quality/status/1622636717093027840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1622636717093027840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[NickSmith4Three]

Minnesota at Illinois game postponed due to COVID within Minnesota's team

[Kris60]

Minnesota at Illinois game postponed due to COVID within Minnesota's team

Wow. Old school.  Turn back the clock!

[bayareabadger]

I really didn't mean it as "Buckeye wallowing".  I was thinking of it from an opposing team's fan perspective.  Not all that long ago, Ohio State was a ranked team.  Thus, if I were a Wisconsin, Indiana, or Illinois fan it would be easy to look at my team's recent win over Ohio State and over-value it. 

Maybe I misread your post.  I typed my "regret to inform you . . ." post in response to your post (shortly after UW's loss to NU) where you said that the "Badgers waste little time crapping on the hope (you) had for them."  I took that to mean that you had built up hope at least partly based on the Badger's win over tOSU.  I was thinking that doing so would appear to be somewhat reasonable. 

I was a bit snappy, not in the best mood. But, my dude, I've responded to your posts several times. I know very well where OSU was. I didn't build much hope off the performance. 

I looked at it simply. UW needed a 6-5 finish to lock in a spot in the dance after the OSU win. Yesterday was the third-best chance at a win that had been left on the schedule. They lost it. I was mad.

I promise, I've read plenty of your posts about the OSU situation. I need no reminding of your assessment of the team. 

[medinabuckeye1]

I was a bit snappy, not in the best mood. But, my dude, I've responded to your posts several times. I know very well where OSU was. I didn't build much hope off the performance.

I looked at it simply. UW needed a 6-5 finish to lock in a spot in the dance after the OSU win. Yesterday was the third-best chance at a win that had been left on the schedule. They lost it. I was mad.

I promise, I've read plenty of your posts about the OSU situation. I need no reminding of your assessment of the team.

Ok, fair enough. 

Fwiw, I created to coaching carousel thread to get my feelings about the tOSU program mostly out of thiss thread.