2021 ludicruous recruting thread

[FearlessF]

Chryst's history is actually a bit spottier than one might think. Lotta guys that were just complete nothings.

That said, they can build an efficent passing game just about every year, so I'll take it.

built on a helluva running game and a helluva defense

[Mdot21]

Sadly, the guy he's going to play for at the next level has proven he can't develop QB's.

That's my take, anyway.

I’m hoping JJ is another Luck. As in, he’s so good, Harbaugh can’t screw him up. 

I will say though, I think the QBs at Michigan have been slim pickens. Speight and O’Korn were ass. Patterson clearly wasn’t the 5* he was touted to be. He didn’t even get drafted. I think Patterson was a decent college QB, but that’s it. Expectations were so high because of his high school ranking. And he might’ve just been a case of a kid that peaked in high school and was over-ranked. It happens. Not every 5* QB breaks through. Shea never had the insane athletic gifts of a Justin Fields or the size, stature and cannon arm of a Trevor Lawerence. Harbaugh did Shea no favors- but Shea often played scared and just did a lot of stupid things. Rudock in year one still probably the best QB play Harbaugh has had yet.

I was hoping McCaffrey would win the job this year. But he transferred. I really thought he might’ve been the one to break the spell. 

Milton is a physical specimen, but not sure Harbaugh is the guy to coach him. Ryan Day or Lincoln Riley on the other hand? They’d have legit shot at turn Milton into a high 1st round pick. His size/speed-to-power/physical strength/arm talent combo is off the charts. Raw as they come, but really just a physical specimen.

[Honestbuckeye]

I’m hoping JJ is another Luck. As in, he’s so good, Harbaugh can’t screw him up.

I will say though, I think the QBs at Michigan have been slim pickens. Speight and O’Korn were ass. Patterson clearly wasn’t the 5* he was touted to be. He didn’t even get drafted. I think Patterson was a decent college QB, but that’s it. Expectations were so high because of his high school ranking. And he might’ve just been a case of a kid that peaked in high school and was over-ranked. It happens. Not every 5* QB breaks through. Shea never had the insane athletic gifts of a Justin Fields or the size, stature and cannon arm of a Trevor Lawerence. Harbaugh did Shea no favors- but Shea often played scared and just did a lot of stupid things. Rudock in year one still probably the best QB play Harbaugh has had yet.

I was hoping McCaffrey would win the job this year. But he transferred. I really thought he might’ve been the one to break the spell.

Milton is a physical specimen, but not sure Harbaugh is the guy to coach him. Ryan Day or Lincoln Riley on the other hand? They’d have legit shot at turn Milton into a high 1st round pick. His size/speed-to-power/physical strength/arm talent combo is off the charts. Raw as they come, but really just a physical specimen.

Gattis will have him humming.  That is my prediction. 

[Mdot21]

Gattis will have him humming.  That is my prediction.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I hope you’re right, but I’ve been burned too many times by Michigan football.

Milton is easily the most physically gifted QB they’ve had in some time. Probably since Mallett. He’s all of 6’5, 240-250, he’s mobile, and he’s got ridiculous arm strength. QB is all about the mental fortitude, leadership ability, clutch factor, accuracy, and decision making however. I’ll take a Joe Burrow type over a specimen QB any day of the week and twice on Saturdays.

[ELA]

MSU picks up 3/4* S AJ Kirk Jr. out of Ohio.  Mike Doss' little brother, with offers from OSU, UM, ND, PSU and Florida.  Big add

[ELA]

MSU picks up 3/4* S AJ Kirk Jr. out of Ohio.  Mike Doss' little brother, with offers from OSU, UM, ND, PSU and Florida.  Big add

OSU is in the final 4 for Derrick Davis Jr. from outside Pittsburgh, the #2 S in the nation in the composite rankings.  He's committing in November, although PSU is the favorite.  They already took another safety, so you wonder if they had to slow play Kirk for now, and will turn up the heat if they don't get Davis.

[bayareabadger]

Stocco
Tolzien
Wilson
Stave (!!)
Houston (!!)
Horni
Coan


All developed under Chryst. Not too bad, save for Horni's regression in his last season. That was more his own doing though.

The !! guys were submarined by the prior coach too. That same guy who made Houston into a punter and tried to make a WR into a QB. I'd have liked to have seen what they could have done under PC for 4-5 years. Houston could have been something special, I think.

So, I was thinking about some of the selection stuff in there. In terms of inherited QBs, he got Stocco on stable ground and got an underrated year out of Donovan. 

But let's run through the set of QBs brought in:
Sherer - A shockingly decently-rated guy, he just developed quite poorly (he was an inherited recruit from whoever the last guy ways)
Tolzien - This was good
James Stallons - Evaporated off the face of the earth
Curt Phillips - Four-star, injuries were an issue, but basically never a threat to start and after four years with PC, threw one of the worst balls you'll see
Jon Budmayr - Never a threat to start and eventually torpedoed by injuries
Joseph Brennan - I think I recall him being a person
Wilson - I think Chryst helped here or there, but Wilson was already very, very good. UW put a good offense around him and bumped him a bit and it was great. He was also needed because the backup was so bad.
Bart Houston - PC recruited him and then left. On one hand, I get that he was left to Andy Ludwig, a sometimes good, sometimes bad OC and QB guy. That said, PC gets a full two seasons with Houston on the back end. He's the best QB recruit to ever come to UW to that point. After a full year in the system, he manages to get through two games and then gets benched with a bad performance against a brutal Georgia State team. He worked his way back because Horni was so-so, but that gets like half credit. 

PC is gone for a stretch, but the opening depth chart he left went 1. Another grad transfer 2. Second-year walk-on 3. Phillips and his bad arm. That's not super

When PC returned:
Hornibrook - A great find, great development story and awful regression story. That he got 2017 out of the kid was awesome, but PC also catches some flack for 2018.
Kare' Lyles - Did nary a thing
Jack Coan - Has turned a decent recruit into a very solid game manager

Then you have Wolf, who has that sheen of maybe he could be underrated good and then Mertz and then no one.

Like, it's a little hit and miss. Of the guys you mentioned, Stocco, Tolzien are the best work, and Coan is pretty good give or take we don't know how it ends. Wilson was good also, but he was really super at points at N.C. State and UW supplied the infrastructure. Houston and Horni are covered above. Stave, I don't quite know what to do with. He only played two years for PC, one not playing. PC got him back on track as a senior, even if it wasn't statistically impressive, but 2012 and 2013 might just be signs that Stave was more self sufficient then he gets credit for. 

Anyway, wasn't saying he's not quite good, just maybe has a couple holes in the resume. If he wants to make Mertz a beast, I'll take it.

[847badgerfan]

Buds was on a track to be really good, but could not get healthy. The kid had a lot of great offers out of HS too. 

[MrNubbz]

OSU is in the final 4 for Derrick Davis Jr. from outside Pittsburgh, the #2 S in the nation in the composite rankings.  He's committing in November, although PSU is the favorite.  They already took another safety, so you wonder if they had to slow play Kirk for now, and will turn up the heat if they don't get Davis.

Screw that we'll take Kirk rather than a possible maybe on Davis - Bastages

[MrNubbz]

I’m hoping JJ is another Luck. As in, he’s so good, Harbaugh can’t screw him up.

Out of Spreight,O'Korn,Patterson,Shea and maybe even McCaffrey.O'Korn looked to me with the highest ceiling.He'd have highlight reel moments then follow it up with a ruh-roh.The talent was there - one time he took off running I forget against who and he looked like Steve Young with the 9ers,gained like 50yds.And he could throw as evidenced by his time at Houston

[Mdot21]

Out of Spreight,O'Korn,Patterson,Shea and maybe even McCaffrey.O'Korn looked to me with the highest ceiling.He'd have highlight reel moments then follow it up with a ruh-roh.The talent was there - one time he took off running I forget against who and he looked like Steve Young with the 9ers,gained like 50yds.And he could throw as evidenced by his time at Houston

O‘Korn started falling off the rails at Houston. He lost his job to a guy that’s now playing WR in the NFL. O’Korn was talented physically but he was just bad at QB. Didn’t have the mind for it. 

[Mdot21]

Michigan lands a couple of big 2021 commits. 

4* LB Branden Jennings (6’3, 225 lbs.) decommits from Florida State and has committed to Michigan. Jennings is from Jacksonville, FL and is rated as the #82 overall player in the nation, the #6 OLB, and the #13 player in the state of Florida. 

Michigan also landed a 2021 grad transfer that will be eligible to play immediately in starting Louisiana Tech LT Willie Allen (6’6, 340 lbs.). Allen sat out 2020 due to COVID pandemic. He’s a former LSU commit and 4* recruit and top 200 player overall in the nation in the class of 2016.

[ELA]

Michigan lands a couple of big 2021 commits.

4* LB Branden Jennings (6’3, 225 lbs.) decommits from Florida State and has committed to Michigan. Jennings is from Jacksonville, FL and is rated as the #82 overall player in the nation, the #6 OLB, and the #13 player in the state of Florida.

I wanted to post this yesterday, and it was funnier before FSU upset UNC, but when asked why he was decomitting from FSU he basically said "I hate losing"

[FearlessF]

Antioch (Calif.) High defensive end Jailen Weaver gave his commitment to Frost and the Huskers, choosing the Big Ten program over his other finalists in Indiana and Tennessee. He is tabbed by the 247Sports Composite as the nation’s No. 48 weak-side defensive end.

The 6-foot-8, 220-pound Weaver is commit No. 20 for Nebraska in the 2021 recruiting cycle, adding to a class that now ranks No. 20 nationally per the 247Sports Composite.