2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread

[betarhoalphadelta]

Purdue as a #3 has to play in Fort Worth, while Tennessee as a #3 gets to play in Indy?

Ouch.

The one bright spot there is that Purdue, assuming they beat Yale, would face Texas or VaTech in Milwaukee, not Ft Worth. It would be a home game for Texas. 

I'd hate to have the bracket set up where you'd face Texas in the S16 followed by Baylor in the E8, both in Ft Worth. 

Granted, Kentucky might just get that honor if Texas advances... 

[medinabuckeye1]

@MaximumSam ,

I just want to point out that I am not one of those fans that looks back at the best period in program history and thinks that my team should ALWAYS be that good.  In my living memory the peak for tOSU BB is what Matta did for the ten seasons from 2005/06 through 2014/15.  In those 10 years the Buckeyes had:

• Nine NCAA Appearances and the only one they missed was a ridiculous snub in 2008 which they "proved" was ridiculous by winning the NIT.  
• Five S16's.  
• Five league titles.  
• Three E8's
• Two F4's
• One NC Appearance.  

For reference those are averages of:

• Making the Tournament almost every year.  
• Making the S16 every other year.  
• Winning the league title every other year.  
• Making the E8 roughly every 3-4 years.  
• Making the F4 every 5 years.  
• Making the NC Game every 10 years.  

With the exception of tournament appearances I would be happy with half that for everything else, ie:

• A S16 every 4 years.  
• A league title every 4 years.  
• An E8 every ~7 years.  
• A F4 every 10 years.  
• Making the NC Game every 20 years.  

[MaximumSam]

@MaximumSam ,

I just want to point out that I am not one of those fans that looks back at the best period in program history and thinks that my team should ALWAYS be that good.  In my living memory the peak for tOSU BB is what Matta did for the ten seasons from 2005/06 through 2014/15.  In those 10 years the Buckeyes had:

• Nine NCAA Appearances and the only one they missed was a ridiculous snub in 2008 which they "proved" was ridiculous by winning the NIT. 
• Five S16's. 
• Five league titles. 
• Three E8's
• Two F4's
• One NC Appearance. 

For reference those are averages of:

• Making the Tournament almost every year. 
• Making the S16 every other year. 
• Winning the league title every other year. 
• Making the E8 roughly every 3-4 years. 
• Making the F4 every 5 years. 
• Making the NC Game every 10 years. 

With the exception of tournament appearances I would be happy with half that for everything else, ie:

• A S16 every 4 years. 
• A league title every 4 years. 
• An E8 every ~7 years. 
• A F4 every 10 years. 
• Making the NC Game every 20 years. 

Also worth noting, Doug Lesmerises had an article, if you go by the last five years (and obviously have to go by projections for 2020), only eight teams have been in the tourney each of the last five years

• Gonzaga
• Kansas
• Villanova
• Texas Tech
• Houston
• Michigan State
• Michigan
• Ohio State

That ain't bad company

[medinabuckeye1]

Also worth noting, Doug Lesmerises had an article, if you go by the last five years (and obviously have to go by projections for 2020), only eight teams have been in the tourney each of the last five years

• Gonzaga
• Kansas
• Villanova
• Texas Tech
• Houston
• Michigan State
• Michigan
• Ohio State

That ain't bad company

Nice to be in that company wrt NCAA appearances but:

• Gonzaga - Five WCC Regular Season Titles, Four WCC Tournament Titles, Four R32, Three S16, Two E8, One F4, One NCG, Zero NC
• Kansas - Three B12 Regular Season Titles, Two B12 Tournament Titles, Three R32, One S16, One F4, Zero NCG, Zero NC
• Villanova - Three BigE Regular Season Titles, Three BigE Tournament Titles, Three R32, Two S16, One E8, One F4, One NCG, One NC
• Texas Tech - One B12 Regular Season Title, Zero B12 Tournament Titles, Three R32, Two S16, Two E8, One F4, One NCG, Zero NC
• Houston - Three AAC Regular Season Titles, Three AAC Tournament Titles, Three R32, Two S16, One E8, One F4,Zero NCG, Zero NC
• Michigan State - Three B1G Regular Season Titles, One B1G Tournament Title, Two R32, One S16, One E8, One F4, Zero NCG, Zero NC
• Michigan - One B1G Regular Season Title, One B1G Tournament Title, Three R32, Three S16, Two E8, One F4, One NCG, Zero NC
• Ohio State - Zero B1G Regular Season Titles, Zero B1G Tournament Titles, One R32, Zero S16, Zero E8, Zero F4, Zero NCG, Zero NC

So yeah, we are in that company in NCAA Appearances but the others all have actual accomplishments, we don't.  

[MaximumSam]

Nice to be in that company wrt NCAA appearances but:So yeah, we are in that company in NCAA Appearances but the others all have actual accomplishments, we don't. 

Making the tourney five straight years is an accomplishment. It also signifies we've had a quality team for five years, which is something. I would rather be in the tourney every year than not be in one year and win a B1G championship a different year.

[Abba]

Making the tourney five straight years is an accomplishment. It also signifies we've had a quality team for five years, which is something. I would rather be in the tourney every year than not be in one year and win a B1G championship a different year.

I mean, perhaps it's an exaggeration, but Ohio State's 06/07 and 07/08 seasons fit into this.  In '06/'07, the Buckeyes won the Big Ten and BTT and made the national championship game.  Then in '07/'08, they failed to make the tournament (as probably the 1st or 2nd team out), then won the NIT.  

I'd take those 2 years over any other 2 consecutive years since 2013.

[MaximumSam]

I mean, perhaps it's an exaggeration, but Ohio State's 06/07 and 07/08 seasons fit into this.  In '06/'07, the Buckeyes won the Big Ten and BTT and made the national championship game.  Then in '07/'08, they failed to make the tournament (as probably the 1st or 2nd team out), then won the NIT. 

I'd take those 2 years over any other 2 consecutive years since 2013.

I can remember the national title game run. The conference championship? Not so much.

[medinabuckeye1]

I mean, perhaps it's an exaggeration, but Ohio State's 06/07 and 07/08 seasons fit into this.  In '06/'07, the Buckeyes won the Big Ten and BTT and made the national championship game.  Then in '07/'08, they failed to make the tournament (as probably the 1st or 2nd team out), then won the NIT. 

I'd take those 2 years over any other 2 consecutive years since 2013.

This, exactly this.  If you aren't winning league titles or going S16+ in the NCAA then the season is not "memorable" to me.  In five or ten years I will not care whether or not our team got to the R32 or not.  I would absolutely trade the last five years for two S16's and three tournament misses.  

[ELA]

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1503582204290605059?t=cAsi1oGZQodAfNAWFUoV6w&s=19

[MaximumSam]

This, exactly this.  If you aren't winning league titles or going S16+ in the NCAA then the season is not "memorable" to me.  In five or ten years I will not care whether or not our team got to the R32 or not.  I would absolutely trade the last five years for two S16's and three tournament misses. 

Now that's a trade I would never make in a million years. Three trash seasons so we get basically one extra win in March? Hell no. Throw it into the the dumpster.

[bayareabadger]

This, exactly this.  If you aren't winning league titles or going S16+ in the NCAA then the season is not "memorable" to me.  In five or ten years I will not care whether or not our team got to the R32 or not.  I would absolutely trade the last five years for two S16's and three tournament misses. 

I find this interesting because a S16 can be so many different things.

Let’s say this year’s team suddenly put its pants on, gets to the second weekend. There’s a little upstart vibe. It feels like an accomplishment.

I looked back at the last two times OSU got to the Sweet 16 or better. They were top-5 teams, a 1 seed and 2 seed that both took upsets to other good teams. So if you have three misses and those seasons, it feels way different than if you had three misses and two four seeds that just did their job and bowed out.

(I admit, I’m biased because UW has only missed the dance once since I joined up, but I’d rather five good teams. I can accept the randomness of the tournament, but three years of frustrating basketball throughout seems unenjoyable. UW this year is trying to avoid five years without a Sweet 16. I’m not sure They’ll make it, but even if they take an upset, I don’t know that I’ll be highly busted up. Granted, two surprised conference titles help)

[847badgerfan]

[Abba]

After looking through the brackets, I like the Badgers to make the deepest run of Big Ten teams this year.

[MaximumSam]

I find this interesting because a S16 can be so many different things.

Let’s say this year’s team suddenly put its pants on, gets to the second weekend. There’s a little upstart vibe. It feels like an accomplishment.

I looked back at the last two times OSU got to the Sweet 16 or better. They were top-5 teams, a 1 seed and 2 seed that both took upsets to other good teams. So if you have three misses and those seasons, it feels way different than if you had three misses and two four seeds that just did their job and bowed out.

(I admit, I’m biased because UW has only missed the dance once since I joined up, but I’d rather five good teams. I can accept the randomness of the tournament, but three years of frustrating basketball throughout seems unenjoyable. UW this year is trying to avoid five years without a Sweet 16. I’m not sure They’ll make it, but even if they take an upset, I don’t know that I’ll be highly busted up. Granted, two surprised conference titles help)

This is underrated. The tourney can be loads of fun, but having a great team going in is more or less a lesson in disappointment. I still have mental scars on Matta's best team, which got dropped by Kentucky in the Sweet 16.