2021-2022 B1G Basketball thread

[MaximumSam]

Rutgers is on an official bender

[bayareabadger]

... Oh God, Rutgers could win the conference 

[TyphonInc]

Rutgers is on an official bender

4 ranked wins in a row. Impressive.

[medinabuckeye1]

... Oh God, Rutgers could win the conference

Going to be a wild ride to the finish line. Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Ohio State each control their own destiny while Rutgers and Michigan State are each only one game back in the loss column. 

[847badgerfan]

Rutgers is on an official bender

[betarhoalphadelta]

Going to be a wild ride to the finish line. Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Ohio State each control their own destiny while Rutgers and Michigan State are each only one game back in the loss column.

I think Purdue controls their own destiny, while Illinois and Ohio State do not. 

If Purdue wins out, that's an additional loss for Wisconsin, so it knocks them out of a 1st place tiebreaker. If Purdue/IL/OSU all win out (not sure if IL or OSU play again), Purdue would be 3-0 against those schools H2H2H and win the tiebreaker. If Purdue and either IL or OSU win out, Purdue is 2-0 against IL and 1-0 against OSU. 

So in every scenario, Purdue winning out makes them the champ, while IL or OSU would require a Purdue loss to have a shot at a tiebreaker if they win out. 

Not sure on if Wisconsin controls their destiny. Obviously them winning out would knock Purdue out of contention, but I don't know their records vs OSU/IL or if they have games remaining against OSU/IL. 

[medinabuckeye1]

I think Purdue controls their own destiny, while Illinois and Ohio State do not.

If Purdue wins out, that's an additional loss for Wisconsin, so it knocks them out of a 1st place tiebreaker. If Purdue/IL/OSU all win out (not sure if IL or OSU play again), Purdue would be 3-0 against those schools H2H2H and win the tiebreaker. If Purdue and either IL or OSU win out, Purdue is 2-0 against IL and 1-0 against OSU.

So in every scenario, Purdue winning out makes them the champ, while IL or OSU would require a Purdue loss to have a shot at a tiebreaker if they win out.

Not sure on if Wisconsin controls their destiny. Obviously them winning out would knock Purdue out of contention, but I don't know their records vs OSU/IL or if they have games remaining against OSU/IL.

I meant it in regard to winning at least a share of the league title.  Frankly I care a lot more about that than BTT seeding.  

To answer your question though:
Purdue:
Winning out would knock out UW leaving the possibility of a tie with the IL/tOSU winner but PU swept IL and won their only game against tOSU so they DO control their own destiny to the #1 seed in the BTT.  

Wisconsin:
Winning out would knock out PU leaving the possibility of a tie with the IL/tOSU winner.  UW only played IL once (away) and lost so they would lose a tie with IL.  They played tOSU twice and split so that would come down to record against the next best team which UW would win if it was PU but lose if it was IL or both.  

Illinois:
Winning out would knock out tOSU leaving the possibility of a tie with the PU/UW winner.  IL was swept by PU so they would lose that tie but won their only meeting with UW so they would win that tie.  

Ohio State:
Winning out would knock out IL leaving the possibility of a tie with the PU/UW winner.  tOSU split with UW and lost their only meeting with PU (away) so they would lose a tie with PU.  A tOSU/UW tie would come down to record against the next best team which tOSU would lose if it was PU but win if it was IL or both IL and PU.  

[betarhoalphadelta]

Got it. So for a first place finish:

Purdue: Win out.

Wisconsin: Win out, plus an IL loss.

IL: Win out, plus a Purdue loss. 

OSU: Win out, plus a Purdue loss AND a UW loss, or if tied with UW, that IL beats or ties Purdue in final standings. 

Accurate? 

[medinabuckeye1]

Got it. So for a first place finish:

Purdue: Win out.

Wisconsin: Win out, plus an IL loss.

IL: Win out, plus a Purdue loss.

OSU: Win out, plus a Purdue loss AND a UW loss, or if tied with UW, that IL beats or ties Purdue in final standings.

Accurate?

Almost.  For Wisconsin to get the #1 seed in addition to winning out and Illinois losing, they need either:

• An Ohio State loss, or
• A final tiebreaker with tOSU that works for them (mostly this just means IL NOT next best).  

I also think that Ohio State's is more concisely stated as win out and either*:

• A loss by the PU/UW winner, or
• A UW win over PU and a winning tiebreaker with UW (mostly this just means that IL IS next best or tied with PU for next best)

*I think this is better because saying "a PU loss AND a UW loss" sounds like two things which it is, but one of them is automatic because they play each other and obviously one of them HAS to lose that game.  

[betarhoalphadelta]

Anyone catch this last night?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whai4FkDvR0

[bayareabadger]

Anyone catch this last night?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whai4FkDvR0

That was nice. It does highlight a somewhat broad ranging question of if over the back is ever really a foul anymore. What is it ever? (like, it was called there, but the broadcaster seems pretty incredulous)

[ELA]

College refs struggle MIGHTILY compared to NBA refs with understanding verticality with a number of calls, over the back among them. As their inability to understand that not all contact in the air is on the defense

[medinabuckeye1]

We are now about three-fourths of the way done with the season (most teams have played 15 games) and the tiers are:

• Wisconsin+1 (+3,-2), Ohio State+1, Purdue+1 (+2,-1), Illinois (+2,-2), Michigan State-2 (+1,-3)
• Rutgers+1 (+2,-1), Michigan+1 (+3,-2), Iowa-1 (+2,-3), Indiana-2 (+1,-3)
• Penn State+1 (+2,-1), Northwestern (+2,-2), Maryland-1 (+3,-4), Minnesota-1 (+1,-2)
• blank
• Nebraska+1

The #'s are for upsets which so far have been:

I didn't move MSU down because they are above .500 in the relevant games so doing so would create more upsets than it eliminated.  Maybe they should be, I don't know.  


I realize that this is a LOT of upsets but our system is still remarkably accurate because most of them balance out.  Maryland, for example, has seven upsets in their 14 games which is only showing a 50% accuracy for our system but those upsets are three up and four down so our system is only off by one game, not bad.  

[medinabuckeye1]

Our updated projected final standings and BTT seeds are:

• 15-5/24-6 Wisconsin (wins tie over tOSU based on record against PU and IL)
• 15-5/22-7 Ohio State
• 14-6/25-6 Purdue (wins tie over IL based on H2H, sweep)
• 14-6/22-9 Illinois
• 12-8/18-12 Rutgers (wins tie with M and MSU based on H2H2H of 2-1, no game in E. Lansing)
• 12-8/18-12 Michigan (second in tie with RU and MSU based on H2H2H of 2-2)
• 12-8/21-10 Michigan State (last in tie with RU and M based on H2H2H of 1-2, do not host RU)
• 10-10/20-11 Iowa
• 9-11/18-12 Indiana
• 8-12/13-15 Penn State
• 7-13/14-15 Northwestern
• 6-14/14-17 Maryland
• 5-15/14-15 Minnesota
• 1-19/7-24 Nebraska

Thus, the projected BTT match-ups in Indianapolis would be:
Wednesday, March 9, 2022:

• #11 Northwestern vs #14 Nebraska, 830 BTN
• #12 Maryland vs #13 Minnesota, 6 BTN

Thursday, March 10, 2022:

• #5 Rutgers vs UMD/MN, 230 BTN
• #6 Michigan vs NU/UNL, 9 BTN
• #7 Michigan State vs #10 Penn State, 630 BTN
• #8 Iowa vs #9 Indiana, noon BTN

Friday, March 11, 2022:

• #1 Wisconsin vs IA/IU, noon BTN
• #2 Ohio State vs MSU/PSU, 630 BTN
• #3 Purdue vs M/NU/UNL, 9 BTN
• #4 Illinois vs RU/UMD/MN, 230 BTN

Saturday, March 12, 2022:

• UW/IA/IU vs IL/RU/UMD/MN, 1 CBS
• tOSU/MSU/PSU vs PU/M/NU/UNL, 330 CBS

Sunday, March 13, 2022:

• UW/IA/IU/IL/RU/UMD/MN vs tOSU/MSU/PSU/PU/M/NU/UNL, 330 CBS

Since I know that @Brutus Buckeye will want to know the potential for a tOSU/M BTT game would be in the late semi-final on Saturday but it would require all of the following to happen:

• Michigan to beat the NU/UNL winner on Thursday, and
• Michigan to upset Purdue on Friday, and
• Ohio State to beat the MSU/PSu winner on Friday.  

If all of that happened the Buckeyes and Wolverines would play Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 3:30 pm EST on CBS.