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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5642 on: August 03, 2020, 09:46:20 AM »
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5643 on: August 03, 2020, 09:53:20 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2020, 09:35:35 AM
Not to me. To me, it's a troubling indictment of where this country seems to be headed.

A republic, if you can keep it.

To me, this is in grave danger.
Perhaps. But that's democracy. You need platforms that can take a majority. And if structural quirks are the primary things keeping one side afloat, it's a dangerous spot. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5644 on: August 03, 2020, 09:56:19 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
If magically the EC disappeared, candidates would shift in positions, a lot, and be more city centric.

But it won't disappear.  Been hearing this complaint twenty years, and not even a small step has happened.
Nope. It won't. You'd need too many states in agreement. And thus, we'll continue our Florida/Ohio/Pennsylvania-centric approach (with some upper midwest thrown in these days). 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5645 on: August 03, 2020, 10:05:54 AM »
You're just negative.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5646 on: August 03, 2020, 10:08:36 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
You're just negative.
I have a friend who advocates court-packing, as if this is a solution that is either possible or at all going to benefit his side. Such pie in the sky.

(I tested negative once. Might need to take it again)
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5647 on: August 03, 2020, 10:09:12 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 03, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
Perhaps. But that's democracy. You need platforms that can take a majority. And if structural quirks are the primary things keeping one side afloat, it's a dangerous spot.
But, we are not that. That was not the intention. It's too dangerous.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5648 on: August 03, 2020, 10:12:59 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 03, 2020, 09:18:35 AM
It's also funny because at times people get very cross about the idea of others migrating to our state, but less issue when it comes to our own mobility. New Yorkers have been filling Florida for generations, but as the interloper, you feel sudden ownership of the place and hope they suddenly stop?  
What has changed with the NY people is now they are staying for their 6 months + 1 day to avoid NY taxation. In the past, they'd go down for 3-4 months, travel some others, and remain NY residents.

They are fleeing high taxes, just like me. The difference is many of them will still vote the same way - and vote themselves into paying state taxes. It's ironic.

It's happening in Arizona too, with the CA crowd coming in.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5649 on: August 03, 2020, 10:22:07 AM »
I think it's dangerous to make people's vote count less to be more "fair" to other voters.  That's the point of democracy (and republics) to give power to the people, not to give power to some people if they have the "correct views.  The "right" v. "left" dichotomy is so silly anyway, and imaginary in all but the voting both where we have no choice.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5650 on: August 03, 2020, 10:22:24 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2020, 10:09:12 AM
But, we are not that. That was not the intention. It's too dangerous.
Perhaps. 

But even in a republic, if one needs to rely on geographical quirks, it's a precarious and perhaps problematic spot. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5651 on: August 03, 2020, 10:26:09 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2020, 10:12:59 AM
What has changed with the NY people is now they are staying for their 6 months + 1 day to avoid NY taxation. In the past, they'd go down for 3-4 months, travel some others, and remain NY residents.

They are fleeing high taxes, just like me. The difference is many of them will still vote the same way - and vote themselves into paying state taxes. It's ironic.

It's happening in Arizona too, with the CA crowd coming in.
Yep. Them's the breaks. 

Anyway, people will redistribute based on broad social trends. It makes sense to hope that benefits one's particular side, but at that point, it's mostly hope. And when things start to shift, folks in power will grip tightly to what they have, as Florida showed us not too long ago. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5652 on: August 03, 2020, 10:37:44 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2020, 09:25:53 AM
Presidential elections are generally close.  How would we do a recount if one was needed nationally?
I would think the same way we do them now.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5653 on: August 03, 2020, 10:40:04 AM »
Hanging chads? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5654 on: August 03, 2020, 10:47:19 AM »
We do not want a true democracy.    A true democracy voted taco bell as the best mexican restaurant in the US.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5655 on: August 03, 2020, 10:47:58 AM »
A nationwide recount.
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