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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4774 on: July 10, 2020, 11:32:40 AM »
I guess we'll see, won't we?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4775 on: July 10, 2020, 12:10:40 PM »
I have my fingers crossed
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4776 on: July 10, 2020, 12:49:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 10, 2020, 08:03:23 AM
Then what do you do about gentrification.  That is a huge factor near where we live.  I have been shocked to see areas I would have avoided in 1970 now being thriving well kept neighborhoods.
So I'm confused about gentrification. 

We seem to bemoan that we've got extremely poor, broken, neighborhoods.

Then we complain when those neighborhoods get better? 

Is the complaint that as those neighborhoods stop sucking, the poor people can't afford to live there? 

And if so, isn't the bigger issue that poverty is not being improved, it's just being moved?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4777 on: July 10, 2020, 12:54:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 10, 2020, 08:40:37 AM

Education is the key, but getting there is not so easy of course

Mostly because everyone runs on education, but when it comes down to $$$, it's always last in line.  Well, in front of the veterans, but everyone is to blame for their neglect.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4778 on: July 10, 2020, 12:56:17 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on July 10, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
So I'm confused about gentrification.

We seem to bemoan that we've got extremely poor, broken, neighborhoods.

Then we complain when those neighborhoods get better?

Is the complaint that as those neighborhoods stop sucking, the poor people can't afford to live there?

And if so, isn't the bigger issue that poverty is not being improved, it's just being moved?
Yes, the trick would be improving areas while keeping the same population in place.  But simply raising rent/mortgages costs doesn't do that.  A commensurate increase in income would offset that and we could come up with some other fancy word when the ideal goal is met.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4779 on: July 10, 2020, 12:57:51 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
Mostly because everyone runs on education, but when it comes down to $$$, it's always last in line.  Well, in front of the veterans, but everyone is to blame for their neglect.
This simply isn't the case nationally.  I've noted before we spend more than any other large industrialized country and K-12 education.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4780 on: July 10, 2020, 12:58:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
Mostly because everyone runs on education, but when it comes down to $$$, it's always last in line.  Well, in front of the veterans, but everyone is to blame for their neglect.
Your paint brush is far too broad. You speak in absolutes. It's bullshit.

I volunteer my time (a LOT) and donate (a LOT) to education, healthcare, veteran organizations and the local chamber.

What exactly do YOU do?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4781 on: July 10, 2020, 01:03:48 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 10, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
I understand what you are proposing and get why you feel this way. However, the one thing that I have come to realize over the years is that if you give people money/things, they don't tend to appreciate it. If they EARN it, they take ownership.

I've seen this with my own kids. Things that they were given were not cared for as much as those things that they had to work for. While my wife and I did our best to provide for many of our kids wants, we found that the more they were given, the less they appreciated it. However, once they began working and paying for those same items, they took ownership and saw the value in taking care of those things that they worked hard for.

This translates to the community at large. Most people, not all but most, when provided with housing, clothes, phones, etc. tend to treat them as though they will be replaced by the same people that provided them in the first place. You wonder why public housing is in such disrepair? There is no ownership. If it breaks, oh well, not my problem.

Yes, this is a better idea and I think would work if the act of earning of it was aligned with their needs being met.  Something to reward behavior that many already do - a credit for renewing auto insurance, a 10% credit for on-time rent payments......or even better, a cash-back system for simply doing the things we're all supposed to do that the poor slack off on.  Feeling like you're getting extra is better than discounting costs in the now-now-now mindset.

Easy hoops to jump through and gradually growing them towards improvement.  Earning money/assistance through responsible actions we want all citizens to do.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4782 on: July 10, 2020, 01:06:09 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 10, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
Your paint brush is far too broad. You speak in absolutes. It's bullshit.

I volunteer my time (a LOT) and donate (a LOT) to education, healthcare, veteran organizations and the local chamber.

What exactly do YOU do?
The overall system has failed veterans.  Your contributions as an individual are great, but does not offset the next 5,000,000 people who do nothing and more importantly, the neglect from our government.

It's not about you or me, so save your being offended for one of my next few posts.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4783 on: July 10, 2020, 01:09:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 10, 2020, 12:57:51 PM
This simply isn't the case nationally.  I've noted before we spend more than any other large industrialized country and K-12 education.
Spending is still down since the 2008 recession.  And an ever-growing percentage of it is going towards charters and private schools.

How intelligent the spending is would be a different matter.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4784 on: July 10, 2020, 01:11:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 10, 2020, 01:06:09 PM
The overall system has failed veterans.  Your contributions as an individual are great, but does not offset the next 5,000,000 people who do nothing and more importantly, the neglect from our government.

It's not about you or me, so save your being offended for one of my next few posts.
That's the problem. Everyone says that same bullshit, and points fingers. That's the easy way out. It absolutely IS about you and me.

People who are able need to get out and DO something.

We cannot rely on government. It's all about community. I know this first hand.

I was not offended. I stand by my statement. Your brush is too broad.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4785 on: July 10, 2020, 01:12:31 PM »
it takes a village

how do we make the village better?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4786 on: July 10, 2020, 01:14:41 PM »
As for the "system" failing on veterans.. All you need to do is look at the VA Health system. It's run by none other than government. My son is a veteran, and he doesn't even use it, because it is terrible.

And so very many people really want government to take over all of healthcare? 

F that. I'd rather "keep my doctor".
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4787 on: July 10, 2020, 01:15:29 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 10, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
it takes a village

how do we make the village better?
By getting out and taking positive action. 
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