header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Misfits Thread

 (Read 400340 times)

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71446
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4284 on: June 30, 2020, 02:16:57 PM »
If you have a strip of land you want to "control", meaning interdict "trespassers", a wall or barrier enables you to do so with fewer boots on the ground.  You could do it by placing some LEO type every ten feet, or whatever, a wall might enable you to stretch that to every 1,000 feet.  It's not meant to be perfect, but like the Maginot Line, it is intended to "secure" a length with fewer troops.

There always are alternative ways around even a perfect wall, but they may be more cumbersome or less efficient, I mentioned dropping bails of drugs out of light planes.  A light plane at night is virtually impossible to detect.  Our normal air traffic control radars require a transponder to work, they won't see your small plane if that is turned off, a simple operation.  Military radar often is of the Doppler type, they only pick up fact moving objects to avoid scatter.  A low flying light plane is going to escape either means of detection.  With GPS, you can hit your drop zone very directly, and someone on the ground picks up the contraband.


Honestbuckeye

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 5796
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4285 on: June 30, 2020, 02:35:13 PM »
I- like all of us- have limited resources. 

If I want to keep you and others from invading my house constantly- a wall will not stop you.  But it will definitely make it harder for you, easier for me to leverage my limited resources- and catch you way more often. 

Like anything else, it is tool to increase efficiency but no guarantee

Seems like a good use of my resources until someone gives me a realistic, better idea.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
-Mark Twain

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71446
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4286 on: June 30, 2020, 02:37:51 PM »
One thing about a wall for home security is that it makes getting the loot back out problematic as well.

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37483
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4287 on: June 30, 2020, 02:43:26 PM »
That's a good question. The more I think about this, I really think taking away the gang's funds is the way to go.

A very strong border deterrent and more enforcement personnel will do a lot. I'd venture to guess that the construction costs (amortized) and personnel costs for a five-fold increase in border control personnel would be much cheaper, long term - say 15 years - than the costs for policing (and prosecuting, and medical care, and...) in the big cities would be.

Chicago's police budget for 2020 is $1.8 Billion. Add in all the other ones and you can see where this thing is. Now, if you can reduce this number by half, you've paid for the Federal expenditure, and you are saving lives. The money saved could be put in budgets for neighborhood improvements, education, job training, etc.


troops could be stationed in Arizona, new mexico, and Texas instead of propping up the economies of foreign countries

perhaps law enforcement rookies and others could be trained on the border to be less aggressive and more accountable

perhaps drones could be useful
it would be very interesting to me what the effects would be after a 5-10 year very strong attempt at "closing" the border would be.  Understanding clearly that some people and drugs are going to get across no mater what.
if it really didn't change much for the better after 10 years, open it up.
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71446
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4288 on: June 30, 2020, 02:48:05 PM »
The financial incentive to get drugs HERE is enormous, obviously.  If one path is narrowed, another will open, and so on.

Whack a Mole, 6.02 x 10^23.

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12170
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4289 on: June 30, 2020, 02:56:46 PM »
That's a good question. The more I think about this, I really think taking away the gang's funds is the way to go.

A very strong border deterrent and more enforcement personnel will do a lot. I'd venture to guess that the construction costs (amortized) and personnel costs for a five-fold increase in border control personnel would be much cheaper, long term - say 15 years - than the costs for policing (and prosecuting, and medical care, and...) in the big cities would be.

Chicago's police budget for 2020 is $1.8 Billion. Add in all the other ones and you can see where this thing is. Now, if you can reduce this number by half, you've paid for the Federal expenditure, and you are saving lives. The money saved could be put in budgets for neighborhood improvements, education, job training, etc.


First bold: it's obvious, IMHO. What happened when prohibition ended? The mob violence that sprouted up around illegal liquor disappeared. 

This is what happens with EVERY black market. By definition there is competition between providers, and because they can't go to the police to protect their market they need to have their own hired guns to do so. Once you have a couple of literal armies basically in competition for product sales it becomes a turf war, using violence to settle disputes.

Why doesn't this happen with, say, hamburgers? Because if Burger King hired a bunch of goons to go break the windows out of the competing McDonalds and Wendy's franchisees, the goons would be arrested and those burger chains would sue BK for damages. 

Second bold: Everyone points to all the horrible things that would happen if we legalized drugs. They might get addicted! (News flash, they already are.) Addicts might ruin their lives! (News flash, they already are.) 

But far fewer people point to all the negatives that exist from the War on Drugs. Huge police budgets to handle violence that's caused NOT by the drugs, but by the black market. Huge prison populations and huge cost to incarcerate offenders caused by making the drugs illegal. Huge societal problems when we have underinvestment in certain areas making the drug trade wildly profitable for dealers while going to school and getting out of the 'hood seems like a pipe dream, so young black kids go down that route. Once they get nabbed and have a record? They're screwed down the line as it relates to jobs and finding any other way to better their lives. 

Imagine if we didn't have to spend so many of our tax dollars on enormous police budgets and huge prison budgets for a problem that we've created [and can't ever solve] through prohibition? Could we maybe use that money to help fix some of the societal problems that drugs cause?

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25163
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4290 on: June 30, 2020, 03:04:54 PM »
What would you propose, given that 60 years of the same shit isn't working?
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37483
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4291 on: June 30, 2020, 03:12:56 PM »
I'm all for trying something else
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25163
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4292 on: June 30, 2020, 03:22:58 PM »
As am I. I guess at least moving to Florida my local news will be different. So, plus for me.

But that's not the point. This gang stuff needs to stop.

1.5 Million gang members is too many. 2 are too many.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37483
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4293 on: June 30, 2020, 03:32:17 PM »
killing people needs to stop

killing rival gang members is bad

killing innocent folks living in gang controlled neighborhoods is horrible
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 17122
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4294 on: June 30, 2020, 03:41:46 PM »
troops could be stationed in Arizona, new mexico, and Texas instead of propping up the economies of foreign countries
That's agreat point but the tentacles of the corrupt MIC would take a hit.Our treasury is empty because of 3 piece suit wearing POS have convinced Congess they care while inflating the price of their wares.Bring the boys home and put them to work here
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

FearlessF

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 37483
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4295 on: June 30, 2020, 03:48:19 PM »
do we really need troops in Germany for the next 60 years?
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12170
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4296 on: June 30, 2020, 03:59:44 PM »
it would be very interesting to me what the effects would be after a 5-10 year very strong attempt at "closing" the border would be.  Understanding clearly that some people and drugs are going to get across no mater what.

if it really didn't change much for the better after 10 years, open it up.
Nixon started the "war on drugs" in 1971, so we're coming up on 50 years.

All we've done for 50 years is constantly escalate the war on drugs. 

I'd say we're about 40 years too late to call this one lost and move on, by your rationale...

Cincydawg

  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 71446
  • Oracle of Piedmont Park
  • Liked:
Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4297 on: June 30, 2020, 04:34:36 PM »
do we really need troops in Germany for the next 60 years?
We don't have all that many there any more in reality.  The point of them, as with South Korea, is to provide a "guarantee" that we would be in the war if Germany were attacked by say Poland.


 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.