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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4270 on: June 30, 2020, 12:34:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 30, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
I was commenting on the assertion that walls don't work, as a blanket statement.

If you want to amend that to assert "Walls are not very effective at interdicting drugs", I wouldn't have an issue.
That point needs to be made, given the topic at hand?  Fun stuff.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4271 on: June 30, 2020, 12:35:21 PM »
Now I'm being accused of insults.  Fun stuff.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4272 on: June 30, 2020, 12:43:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2020, 12:34:14 PM
That point needs to be made, given the topic at hand?  Fun stuff.
I believe the border wall is intended to serve another function, so claiming it doesn't work strikes me as over broad.

I don't know how well it will work.  I don't have data.  So I have no opinion.  Clearly some walls do work to some degree, depending on the intended purpose.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4273 on: June 30, 2020, 12:54:30 PM »
I'd like to ask more than a few Border agents.  You know, the ones that are NOT corrupt.

Do they think the wall serves a purpose and would they like it extended or improved to work better?

Apparently, the governor of California doesn't get it either as there seems to be a fence or some type of apparatus along a high percentage of the Cali/Mexico border to serve as some form of resistance.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4274 on: June 30, 2020, 01:01:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2020, 12:35:21 PM
Now I'm being accused of insults.  Fun stuff. 
When you tell me I have my head in the sand, it's insulting. 


Have you seen the plans for the wall? I have, as I was given an RFP to bid on some of the layout work.

There is much more detail to the construction than aesthetics. There are sections along the way, where the soils have limited bearing capacity, that the foundation is as deep, or more, than the wall is high. You'd need one helluva shovel to dig down 40 feet, and then back up on the other side. Oh, and you'd have to trust the bad bearing soils to not cave in and crush/smother you while you're at it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4275 on: June 30, 2020, 01:20:21 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 30, 2020, 01:01:21 PM
When you tell me I have my head in the sand, it's insulting.


Have you seen the plans for the wall? I have, as I was given an RFP to bid on some of the layout work.

There is much more detail to the construction than aesthetics. There are sections along the way, where the soils have limited bearing capacity, that the foundation is as deep, or more, than the wall is high. You'd need one helluva shovel to dig down 40 feet, and then back up on the other side. Oh, and you'd have to trust the bad bearing soils to not cave in and crush/smother you while you're at it.
Your talking to someone who just claimed traffickers are mocking the wall.    So we are to believe he knows traffickers now.

why does ever interview I see with border patrol include their clear support for the wall?

if the wall were the proposal of a Liberal Dem he would be all for it.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4276 on: June 30, 2020, 01:30:01 PM »
CHOP got a wall.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4277 on: June 30, 2020, 01:30:17 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 30, 2020, 01:20:21 PM
Your talking to someone who just claimed traffickers are mocking the wall.    So we are to believe he knows traffickers now.

why does ever interview I see with border patrol include their clear support for the wall?

if the wall were the proposal of a Liberal Dem he would be all for it.
the state of Cali has a fence on the border
I'd guess federal funds were used to erect it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4278 on: June 30, 2020, 01:45:42 PM »
There is a shell game black people have been in for some time. The game is such: everyone wants to live in a nice neighborhood, and a neighborhood is considered nice when it has few black people.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4279 on: June 30, 2020, 01:58:22 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on June 30, 2020, 01:20:21 PM
why does ever interview I see with border patrol include their clear support for the wall?
The real question is whether a wall will do anything about illegal immigration and/or drug interdiction, or if it'll just make Border Patrol's job easier by moving that stuff AROUND the wall?

I.e. does a wall solve a problem, or does it just move it?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4280 on: June 30, 2020, 02:01:49 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
...but it doesn't.
When it's completed we'll throw you on the other side take your ID and cell phone and find out for the hell of it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4281 on: June 30, 2020, 02:05:24 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 30, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
And the Border Patrol is free of corruption?
They took their que from Wall Street,Defense contractors and the federal Government
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4282 on: June 30, 2020, 02:10:03 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 30, 2020, 01:58:22 PM
The real question is whether a wall will do anything about illegal immigration and/or drug interdiction, or if it'll just make Border Patrol's job easier by moving that stuff AROUND the wall?

I.e. does a wall solve a problem, or does it just move it?
That's a good question. The more I think about this, I really think taking away the gang's funds is the way to go.

A very strong border deterrent and more enforcement personnel will do a lot. I'd venture to guess that the construction costs (amortized) and personnel costs for a five-fold increase in border control personnel would be much cheaper, long term - say 15 years - than the costs for policing (and prosecuting, and medical care, and...) in the big cities would be.

Chicago's police budget for 2020 is $1.8 Billion. Add in all the other ones and you can see where this thing is. Now, if you can reduce this number by half, you've paid for the Federal expenditure, and you are saving lives. The money saved could be put in budgets for neighborhood improvements, education, job training, etc.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #4283 on: June 30, 2020, 02:11:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 30, 2020, 11:59:12 AM
It's like you're oblivious to reality.

Stats show legalizing drugs, even the bad ones, is a net positive for the society. 
Stats show walls don't work.

THE REALITY SHOWS YOUR HEAD IS IN THE SAND WHEN IT COMES TO FACTS YOU DISAGREE WITH.
And your's is up your ass.Stats show - really? By who and about what - look at the numbers regarding anything the President,Covid,riots,protest.What you meant to say IMO but can't bring yourself to suggest that
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