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MarqHusker

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2688 on: June 05, 2020, 01:16:18 AM »
I can't get over how many people are convinced that such a high % of looters are actually part of Team Red or Blue.    

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2689 on: June 05, 2020, 01:31:33 AM »
I can't get over how many people are convinced that such a high % of looters are actually part of Team Red or Blue.   
Im convinced the looters must be stopped 

I just wish the various blue city mayors felt the same

Whats ironic is that all the cities where they are pushing defunding the police are blue cities and have been for decades

its their police departments run by mayors and city councils that control policies and procedures their police departments follow

now all of a sudden they want to do away with the police
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2690 on: June 05, 2020, 05:38:12 AM »
Thanks for the response.
I understand the "he's our jackass and, as such, I'll choose him over their jackass" argument.  It's an understandable way of dealing with an unsatisfactory situation.  I think a lot of people on both sides made that calculation in 2016, and probably the same thing will be the case this year.
Well said. I sincerely did not vote in 16, for the first time as an adult.   I am feeling similar now.  I just wish I could get excited about one of the choices.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2691 on: June 05, 2020, 05:40:40 AM »
Have you been hearing about the Boogaloo?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZlKm8sOrpAhVslXIEHSTYCA0Q0PADegQIARAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F06%2F03%2Fus%2Fboogaloo-extremist-protests-invs%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw2damvJPAUMwjm434zwy2eS
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZlKm8sOrpAhVslXIEHSTYCA0Q0PADegQIARAH&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F06%2F03%2Fus%2Fboogaloo-extremist-protests-invs%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw2damvJPAUMwjm434zwy2eS



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2692 on: June 05, 2020, 08:50:43 AM »
The great mind reader you are!

maybe he is lying and doesn’t love this country( although that would be inconsistent with every thing he has done- popular or not)

maybe he does love this- because he knows that so many who voted for him are now extremely concerned about the complete lack of control of violence going on around them.

come on.  Hate him.  You have to acknowledge he is sticking with his convictions even though virtually every microphone is against him.
His intentions are easily discerned from his behavior. Reading his mind is simple because it's so transparent.

But Trump understands one thing: to mobilize voters you need fear. Fear of the "other" [mostly China and immigrants] has been his calling card to date, but he knows he was only elected because there was a long-standing fear of Hillary built in amongst conservatives. Now he has something else to point to for his supporters -- the "other side" is lawless rioters and looters and anarchists. It's not true, and doesn't take into account the cause of the riots, but he actively wants those rioters to be as bad as they possibly can so that he can show his supporters that he's the only man protecting them from the rioters.

see thats the thing

he doesnt have to point to anybody cause they are pointing to themselves

they are doing all the work for him

just wait till you see his next batch of campaign ads that will probably come out

after this has died down
They are doing plenty of the work, true. But do you notice how past Presidents have tried to unify, whereas he actively works to inflame the protesters. They're taking the bait beautifully, because they don't understand that their actions benefit him. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2693 on: June 05, 2020, 08:54:09 AM »
I should point out that here in Los Angeles, the proposal for "defunding police" next year would more accurately be described as "not giving them a big increase in their budget next year." Quite literally everything they're talking about cutting was from future increases in spending, not the current baseline.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2694 on: June 05, 2020, 09:20:13 AM »
I told my wife that most of this violence is being done and/or incited by the 0.5% radical left and the 0.5% radical right. It's also EXTREMELY likely that a ton of the posts on twitter, bookface, etc. are from places like North Korea, China, Iran, Venezuela and Russia.


We Americans cannot allow 1% (or less) of this country's residents and foreigners tear us apart. 

But, it seems that we are allowing it. I'm sad for this.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2695 on: June 05, 2020, 09:34:36 AM »
His intentions are easily discerned from his behavior. Reading his mind is simple because it's so transparent.

But Trump understands one thing: to mobilize voters you need fear. Fear of the "other" [mostly China and immigrants] has been his calling card to date, but he knows he was only elected because there was a long-standing fear of Hillary built in amongst conservatives. Now he has something else to point to for his supporters -- the "other side" is lawless rioters and looters and anarchists. It's not true, and doesn't take into account the cause of the riots, but he actively wants those rioters to be as bad as they possibly can so that he can show his supporters that he's the only man protecting them from the rioters.
They are doing plenty of the work, true. But do you notice how past Presidents have tried to unify, whereas he actively works to inflame the protesters. They're taking the bait beautifully, because they don't understand that their actions benefit him.
I respect your opinion bwarbiany.

it seems that the fear that may drive voters to him is actually grounded in what they see as facts. Maybe he is taking advantage of that, just like The Dem nominee who is running very inflammatory, decisive ads to create the narrative that his opponent is associated with racially painful events.
but the prevailing conversations coming from policy voices which would be their other choice, and fanned by the media and the voice leaders on TV and social media( celebs)- scare the living hell out of them, and always have- long before this Prez was around- and likely always will.
You can’t pin the lefts positions on gun control, abortion, immigration, law enforcement- hell the list is endless- on POTUS.
I assure you- if he did not exist- their fear of what they see on their iPhones and tv screens right now would still scare the shit out of them.
Here is but one example.  It shocks them that the media is more concerned about the “photo op” which they see all the time from other Prez, politicians, etc - than the bacterium that St Johns charge was set ablaze and that the “ peaceful protesters @ were “ peacefully stopped “ by the national guard as they marched toward the Vietnam Memorial.  Nobody doubts they would have de-faced it.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2696 on: June 05, 2020, 09:38:08 AM »
His opponent understands to mobilize voters you need fear.  Just watch his most recent ad.  Stoking fear, race baiting and total divisiveness.  In fact not only not uniting- drawing huge lines in the sand. 

But for some- they can only see that from POTUS. It goes right over their head
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2697 on: June 05, 2020, 09:51:40 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/1541453915/posts/10221676767738753/?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2698 on: June 05, 2020, 10:06:55 AM »
Does any sane person actually believe conservatives are supplying protesters with bricks?

I guess after the Russia hoax they think the American public will believe anything.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2699 on: June 05, 2020, 10:29:42 AM »
I respect your opinion bwarbiany.

it seems that the fear that may drive voters to him is actually grounded in what they see as facts. Maybe he is taking advantage of that, just like The Dem nominee who is running very inflammatory, decisive ads to create the narrative that his opponent is associated with racially painful events.
but the prevailing conversations coming from policy voices which would be their other choice, and fanned by the media and the voice leaders on TV and social media( celebs)- scare the living hell out of them, and always have- long before this Prez was around- and likely always will.
You can’t pin the lefts positions on gun control, abortion, immigration, law enforcement- hell the list is endless- on POTUS.
I assure you- if he did not exist- their fear of what they see on their iPhones and tv screens right now would still scare the shit out of them.
Here is but one example.  It shocks them that the media is more concerned about the “photo op” which they see all the time from other Prez, politicians, etc - than the bacterium that St Johns charge was set ablaze and that the “ peaceful protesters @ were “ peacefully stopped “ by the national guard as they marched toward the Vietnam Memorial.  Nobody doubts they would have de-faced it. 
There will always be conflict between the two sides. And yes, it is typical that part of politics is not showing what you'll do right, but what your opponent will do wrong. Or in the case of an incumbent, HAS done wrong.

When it comes to his opponent creating ads showing he's been divisive, that he's associated with racially painful events, etc... Well, POTUS walked right into that one with SO many of his statements and actions. As 320 pointed out the the protesters are doing a good job of ruining their own reputation by rioting and looting, if POTUS didn't want to be called racially divisive maybe he shouldn't have been racially divisive. 

I can think of most of the other potential Team Red candidates from 2016, but I can't imagine that very many of them would be easy targets for these sorts of ads.

His opponent understands to mobilize voters you need fear.  Just watch his most recent ad.  Stoking fear, race baiting and total divisiveness.  In fact not only not uniting- drawing huge lines in the sand.

But for some- they can only see that from POTUS. It goes right over their head
I'm a generally reasonable and even-keel guy; I think >10 years here may support that my own impression of myself is accurate to the rest of you guys...

...and yet this POTUS in particular scares the hell out of me

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2700 on: June 05, 2020, 10:31:08 AM »
I think everyone is looking for an answer that supports their beliefs/perceptions.   The reality is probably all of the above when it comes to who is creating the riots at peaceful protests.... cops included.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2701 on: June 05, 2020, 10:38:55 AM »
We need to heal, but we need to build trust. That is, and always been, the key.

The question is how.

More Junior Achievement programs? Better educational opportunities, for both kids and adults? Real investment in depressed areas, instead of a Band-Aid here and there?

Gang members need to be rooted out, and either reformed, or jailed. Period. 

Being a gang member - of any gang - to me (my OPINION) is the equivalent of being a terrorist.
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