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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2604 on: June 04, 2020, 06:00:34 AM »
Here BAB. I will poke a sleeping bear.  ( since you never answered my question from our last conversation😜)
we are being told that UNARMED African American males are being singled out and killed by police, yet virtually ALL of the data says otherwise.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2605 on: June 04, 2020, 07:52:10 AM »
Very good OAF!

I watched your favorite last night- Tucker Carlson.  I know, I know Fox tads yada.  I like him because he is an equal opportunity offender. 2 nights ago he RIPPED Trump, and most of our political leaders

Anyway, last night he went through some of the data from the very liberal Washington Post database. There was some surprises in there for me.

He found that in 2019, a total of 10 unarmed African-Americans were killed by the police. He went through every single one of them in detail and what the situation was.

In five of the cases there was documented video evidence that the suspect charged the police officer. In one case it was clearly accidental and the officer was charged. In the remaining four cases two of the four officers were charged.

His point was not that blacks are not more profiled but rather that the world is going crazy claiming genocide. 10 people killed in one year with half of the officers being charged does not seem like genocide. Or anything even close to it. I thought he made a good point. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2606 on: June 04, 2020, 07:55:53 AM »
I would like to hear how othersfeel about this.

Michigan can trace the movements of 80% of those people who protested the lockdown. How do we feel about that? Does your feelings change if they can also trace those who are protesting the death of George Lloyd

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2607 on: June 04, 2020, 08:02:45 AM »
I would like to hear how othersfeel about this.

Michigan can trace the movements of 80% of those people who protested the lockdown. How do we feel about that? Does your feelings change if they can also trace those who are protesting the death of George Lloyd


I'm not clear what you mean by "trace the movements". Who is doing that, if they are, or is it just a capability because of cell phones?


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2608 on: June 04, 2020, 08:11:41 AM »
I'm not clear what you mean by "trace the movements". Who is doing that, if they are, or is it just a capability because of cell
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5224425002
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2609 on: June 04, 2020, 08:16:41 AM »
The protesters agreed to be tracked because the information was collected from "opt-in" cellphones, in which the user at some point agreed to terms allowing for such data to be collected by firms such as VoteMap, said VoteMap CEO Jennifer McEwan.

The cellphone users remained anonymous and their locations were instead culled from the publishers of the opt-in apps they were using, said McEwan, CEO of the Austin-based startup Datum that is the parent company under which VoteMap falls. People gauging cellphone locations the day of the April 30 protest and the day after would not be able to see to whom the phone belonged, she said.



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2610 on: June 04, 2020, 08:18:00 AM »
The opt in part is significant, I think, and I'm fine with it.  We should all know our cell phones are location enabled (or disabled).  

Use of this on a voluntary OPT IN basis strikes me as totally OK no matter who is involved with what.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2611 on: June 04, 2020, 08:52:49 AM »
The opt in part is significant, I think, and I'm fine with it.  We should all know our cell phones are location enabled (or disabled). 

Use of this on a voluntary OPT IN basis strikes me as totally OK no matter who is involved with what.
Well, you can certainly make the argument that anyone who installed an app that asked for permission to collect location data and accepted it is fair game... Because that's what this is.

Have you looked at which apps on your phone have access to your location data? Have you looked at the ones, specifically, that have access to location data "all the time", not just when you're using the app? Do you trust that all of those app providers are not selling your location data? 

Even though this data is anonymous, i.e. the cellphone user information is never provided, the data is specific enough that you could easily figure out who someone is based on the data. Based on very predictable patterns, you will know essentially someone's address (or close enough to it to narrow it down), their workplace (based on them going to a single location ~5 days a week for many hours), from that it's very easy to figure out who that cellphone belongs to. 

Again, I think some of this is caveat emptor, because those people did opt in to location services. But it wouldn't surprise me if within a few years this results in legislation banning the practice or making it MUCH more explicit what you're agreeing to. 

Here's a more in-depth article on the same issue:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/19/opinion/location-tracking-cell-phone.html



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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2612 on: June 04, 2020, 10:30:57 AM »
I'm trying to figure out why I could care if someone tracked my cell phone.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2613 on: June 04, 2020, 10:40:17 AM »
I'm trying to figure out why I could care if someone tracked my cell phone.
Where it gets interesting, there is already a groundswell of groups objecting to letting law enforcement using this capacity to try to track those who committed serious crimes during the not so peaceful part of the protests. 

you could almost make an analogy to radar detectors. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2614 on: June 04, 2020, 11:00:51 AM »
I'm trying to figure out why I could care if someone tracked my cell phone.
I don't particularly care. I have a boring life, with nothing to hide. 

But there are a lot of people in this world who do completely legal things that probably wouldn't want all of those things to be public knowledge. Things that could be used to blackmail them, or simply embarrass them in front of family, friends, or colleagues. I.e. someone from a religious family is frequenting gay bars and an opportunistic criminal attempts to blackmail them to keep it quiet?

Or, as in the NYT story, they were able to use location tracking to identify someone who was interviewing for a new job--after the fact, based on linkedin posts showing the guy changing jobs several weeks after the location data showed him making an uncharacteristic trip to that company's offices. What happens when employers start paying data services to data-mine this location information to identify disgruntled employees and let them go?

I'm sure there is a market for all this data, and a portion of that market can use the data for nefarious purposes. Heck, at the very least, someone could use that data to case houses as part of a burglary ring, knowing that based on predictable patterns of people leaving their houses on certain days and being gone for predictable amounts of time that nobody will be home.

Does some of this seem far-fetched? Perhaps... Will I be surprised when we see cases of all of these things happening over the next few years? Nope. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2615 on: June 04, 2020, 11:04:34 AM »
how do they prove that I am in possession of my cell phone at the time of incident?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2616 on: June 04, 2020, 11:04:43 AM »
I know some computer tracks what I do on line.  I once tried to fight it, and then I decided I didn't care really.

At times I will google some obscure something, air fryers, or whatever, and the result is amusing to me.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #2617 on: June 04, 2020, 11:06:21 AM »
how do I know if I set the app to ONLY collect GPS data while I'm using the app, that they aren't really collecting data ALL the time?

cell phones are evil
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