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Cincydawg

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8106 on: September 02, 2020, 02:10:22 PM »
 While, as Cincy notes, some states may vote to assign their electors to the winner of the popular vote, only the more populous states are likely to do that, essentially protecting the current system. And because there are more less populous than more populous states, the electoral college isn't going anywhere.
Really it is the "blue" states voting for this change.  The "red" states prefer the EC (duh).  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8107 on: September 02, 2020, 02:18:45 PM »
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
Responding just to say thanks for pointing me to that...

...and to suggest that everyone here take the time to click that link and read through to the bottom.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8108 on: September 02, 2020, 02:19:28 PM »
Right--the way the electoral college assigns votes is exactly as you guys have worked out, and because of those plus 2 it gives a huge advantage to the smaller states' voters relative to the bigger ones.

But the distribution of the 435 members of the house also isn't exact. I believe (I'm not going to look it up, but there is a correct answer), the House's districts are currently divided into 750,000 member districts, except that they are all within a single state. As a result, not all districts are the same size, and I think--though I'm not sure--that this, again results in a moderate bump for the less populous states. In short, whereas in Texas, Flordida, New York, and California, the districts are closer to a uniform 750K, my recollection is that the more rural states have districts that are often a little smaller than that, which, again gives their individual voter a little more say in the presidential election. Not a lot, a little.

And--again--it's all academic. While, as Cincy notes, some states may vote to assign their electors to the winner of the popular vote, only the more populous states are likely to do that, essentially protecting the current system. And because there are more less populous than more populous states, the electoral college isn't going anywhere.
you lost me at the number 750,000

not sure what districts you are talking about

or is this a joke that went over my head
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8109 on: September 02, 2020, 02:19:52 PM »
Because I larded up my earlier post with too much opinion and such, here it is again--the main point of that post (you can guess which one):

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe


It's a good comic.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8110 on: September 02, 2020, 02:20:01 PM »
Thought on Electroal College in sum:
Voting for electors: cool cool
Voting directly: cool cool
Voting then having vote run through a complicated algorithm that values vote on how many people live near you and whether they vote too similarly: galactically stupid

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8111 on: September 02, 2020, 02:21:06 PM »
Responding just to say thanks for pointing me to that...

...and to suggest that everyone here take the time to click that link and read through to the bottom.
I would but time is precious to me and frankly I felt my life passing before my eyes about 2/3 of the way through
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8112 on: September 02, 2020, 02:22:49 PM »
Thought on Electroal College in sum:
Voting for electors: cool cool
Voting directly: cool cool
Voting then having vote run through a complicated algorithm that values vote on how many people live near you and whether they vote too similarly: galactically stupid
well like it or not thats states rights

take it up with the founding fathers
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8113 on: September 02, 2020, 02:26:27 PM »
you lost me at the number 750,000

not sure what districts you are talking about

or is this a joke that went over my head

The average size of a congressional district based on the 2010 Census apportionment population will be 710,767, more than triple the average district size of 210,328 based on the 1910 Census apportionment, and 63,815 more than the average size based on Census 2000 (646,952).

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8114 on: September 02, 2020, 02:27:02 PM »
Does burger king still sell tacos?
I don't know.

Jack In The Box does, though.

As for national chain "Mexican" restaurants (and some large state-oriented ones too), I know of:

Taco Bell
Del Taco
El Pollo Loco
Chipotle
Taco Cabana
Qdoba
Cabo Bob's
Moe's Southwest Grill
El Torito
Baja Fresh
Taco Bueno


But Taco Bell is ubiquitous while the others have far fewer restaurants in far fewer geographical locations, so in a national vote, even if Taco Bell only got 1/5 votes compared to the local places, it would still carry the national "election" by a pretty wide margin.









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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8115 on: September 02, 2020, 02:27:08 PM »
HB,

I'm genuinely sorry that you feel that way. But I don't think anything I can say here will change your mind. That makes me sad, too.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8116 on: September 02, 2020, 02:37:29 PM »
Of course the Constitution isn't static, and what the Founding Fathers did was far from perfect/"correct," nor is what the Founding Fathers did the current law of the land. 

We are in the third longest (I'm pretty sure) period without an amendment to the Constitution, but it is designed for amendment, and has been amended 27 times, mostly for the better.

It will likely be amended again, but I doubt the electoral college goes away.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8117 on: September 02, 2020, 02:38:39 PM »
well like it or not thats states rights

take it up with the founding fathers
The founding fathers wanted people voting for people who would then vote for President. This Mario Party style competition would not be it

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #8119 on: September 02, 2020, 02:44:14 PM »

It will likely be amended again, but I doubt the electoral college goes away.
Maybe in time, right now I think the country is too polarized to pass ANY amendment.  I doubt that changes in 20 years very much, maybe.

 

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