2020 NFL Draft/Offseason thread

[bayareabadger]

Colts record in the 90's.

1990: 7-9
1991: 1-15
1992: 9-7
1993: 4-12
1994: 8-8
1995: 9-7
1996: 9-7
1997: 3-13

Yeah, I'd say they were pretty much dogshit in the 90s. In those 8 seasons, they never once had double digit wins, only had winning seasons 3 times, only made the playoffs twice, and never once won their division. And all 3 of their "winning" seasons were 9-7. Pretty lame.

In fact the ONLY time the Colts won double digit games in a season or won their division in that entire decade of the 1990's was in 1999, Peyton Manning's second year in which the Colts went 13-3 and won the AFC East.

I mean, they were literally mediocre more than half time time. But if being dogshit accounts for more than half the outcomes, then yes, they, along with more than half the teams were dogshit. 

The irony of all this is that we're talking about No. 1 QBs, and the irony is that this run for the Colts actually started with taking a "can't-miss" super talented QB. This "dogshit" is decidedly the product of a guy who was supposed to be a franchise QB. 

[Mdot21]

The irony of all this is that we're talking about No. 1 QBs, and the irony is that this run for the Colts actually started with taking a "can't-miss" super talented QB. This "dogshit" is decidedly the product of a guy who was supposed to be a franchise QB.

Jeff George was a mental patient. I don't know if there was a bigger headcase to ever come into the NFL. That was a literal case of million dollar arm, ten cent head. I think only a handful of guys had better arms than Jeff George in NFL history. Maybe just Elway and Marino. He had a quick release with a ton of velocity. Could just effortlessly flick his wrist and the ball goes 60-70 yards on a rope.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Yeah, I'd say they were pretty much dogshit in the 90s. In those 8 seasons, they never once had double digit wins, only had winning seasons 3 times, only made the playoffs twice, and never once won their division. And all 3 of their "winning" seasons were 9-7. Pretty lame.

Well, in a high-parity league like the NFL, for 5 of 8 seasons to finish within a game of .500 isn't "dogshit". It's not great by any stretch, but not "dogshit". In all 5 of those seasons they finished in the top half of their division. 

That's a combined win percentage of .390 over that stretch.

That has the mark of me of a moderately-competitive team who needed something to get over the hump. That something was Peyton Manning. 

For dogshit, look at the Browns over the last 10 years from 2010-2019:

• 5-11
• 4-12
• 5-11
• 5-11
• 4-12
• 7-9
• 3-13
• 1-15
• 0-16
• 7-8-1
• 6-10

In only two of ten seasons were they within 1 game of .500, and NEVER had even a .500 season much less a winning season. They never finished in the top half of their division.

They had a combined win percentage of 0.296 over that stretch. A QB wasn't going to save them.

[Mdot21]

is .390 winning % really that much better than .296? Because both seem kinda horrific to me.

[MrNubbz]

For dogshit, look at the Browns over the last 10 years from 2010-2019

Ya had to go there didn't you,bad enough I have to live it.Don't need memos in the off season,fwiw I still have my liver

[MrNubbz]

Jeff George was a mental patient. I don't know if there was a bigger headcase to ever come into the NFL. 

I don't remember,did he do something blindingly ignorant ......off the field.Like Manzeil,Winston or Roethlisberger?

[ELA]

SECOND ROUND

33	Bengals	T Josh Jones, Houston
34	Colts (WAS)	DT Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma
35	Lions	WR Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State
36	Giants	S ANTOINE WINFIELD JR., MINNESOTA
37	Raiders (LAC)	RB JONATHAN TAYLOR, WISCONSIN
38	Panthers	T Austin Jackson, USC
39	Dolphins	C CESAR RUIZ, MICHIGAN
40	Texans (ARI)	DT Justin Madubuike, Texas A&M
41	Browns	CB Jeff Gladney, TCU
42	Jaguars	CB Jaylon Johnson, Utah
43	Bears (LV)	WR Jalen Reagor, TCU
44	Colts	WR Laviska Shenault Jr., Colorado
45	Buccaneers	RB J.K DOBBINS, OHIO STATE
46	Broncos	WR Denzel Mims, Baylor
47	Falcons	DT Marlon Davidson, Auburn
48	Jets	OLB Terrell Lewis, Alabama
49	Steelers	C Lloyd Cushenberry III, LSU
50	Bears	CB DAMON ARNETTE, OHIO STATE
51	Cowboys	TE Cole Kmet, Notre Dame
52	Rams	T Ezra Cleveland, Boise State
53	Eagles	WR K.J. HAMLER, PENN STATE
54	Bills	RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU
55	Ravens (NE) (ATL)	CB Cameron Dantzler, Mississippi State
56	Dolphins (NO)	T Isaiah Wilson, Georgia
57	Rams (HOU)	CB Bryce Hall, Virginia
58	Vikings	T Prince Tega Wanogho, Auburn
59	Seahawks	OLB Julian Okwara, Notre Dame
60	Ravens	RB Cam Akers, Florida State
61	Titans	QB Jacob Eason, Washington
62	Packers	OLB Curtis Weaver, Boise State
63	Chiefs (SF)	WR Michael Pittman Jr., USC
64	Buccaneers (SEA) (KC)	S Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne

Trades:
Seahawks trade Pick #64 to Buccaneers for 3rd Round (#76) and 4th Round (#117)

[betarhoalphadelta]

is .390 winning % really that much better than .296? Because both seem kinda horrific to me.

IMHO the bigger difference is that the Colts were a competitive team 62.5% of the seasons, and the other 37.5% of the time they were really bad.

The Browns were a competitive team 20% of the seasons, but the other 80% they were terrible.

That's a big difference.

IMHO Baker Mayfield is a pretty good QB. I think he was a good pickup. But the Browns were too far down for him to be the difference maker that put them over the top. They have more work to do.

[OrangeAfroMan]

You can't just pretend Manning is the reason the Colts were suddenly good.  It ignores EVERYTHING else they had done, lol.  Hey, guess what?  They sucked in Manning's first year and only got good when they had Edgerrin James.  Why doesn't anyone say that?
Manning cut down on his INTs that 2nd year, but he still didn't have a great season.  26 TD and 15 INTs isn't remarkable.  
You can't ignore drafting Marvin Harrison, pre-Manning.  That was a good call.  Their 1st and 2nd round picks the year before taking Manning first were both on offensive tackles.  Hmm, I guess the OL is important.

But better than all of that...guess who was the only other QB to throw a pass for the Colts in 1999?  STEVE WALSH!  

[Mdot21]

I agree. Baker was a really good pick. So was Nick Chubb. Getting Kareem Hunt for next to nothing was a great F/A signing. Jarvis Landry was a really good F/A signing. They've got some nice pieces to work with.

The coaching hires have been terrible- Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens? Joke. We'll see how the new coach Kevin Stefanski works out- I have my doubts. Browns should've went after Harbaugh. He'd be able to turn that program around fast.

It's still probably a little early to declare it a total failure, but it looks like the OBJ trade was probably a pretty bad idea. They gave up too much for a guy that frankly seems like he wishes he could play anywhere but Cleveland.

[Cincydawg]

I lived in Cincinnati long enough to pay a bit of attention to the Bungles.  Their recent history is what I'm thinking about being BAD for a prolonged period of time.

1991-2002.  Their best season was 8-8.  They then crawled up to being decent at times, 7 playoff appearances, all loses.

[Mdot21]

You can't just pretend Manning is the reason the Colts were suddenly good.  It ignores EVERYTHING else they had done, lol.  Hey, guess what?  They sucked in Manning's first year and only got good when they had Edgerrin James.  Why doesn't anyone say that?
Manning cut down on his INTs that 2nd year, but he still didn't have a great season.  26 TD and 15 INTs isn't remarkable. 
You can't ignore drafting Marvin Harrison, pre-Manning.  That was a good call.  Their 1st and 2nd round picks the year before taking Manning first were both on offensive tackles.  Hmm, I guess the OL is important.

But better than all of that...guess who was the only other QB to throw a pass for the Colts in 1999?  STEVE WALSH! 

He also threw for 4,100+ yards and completed 62.5% to go along with those 26 TD's vs 15 INT's. That was a phenomenal season in 1999. He made the Pro Bowl with those stats. Peyton was #2 in completion %, #3 in passing yards, and #3 in TD passes in the entire leauge that season. The league didn't explode into a passing leauge where everyone had silly stats until around 2005- when the NFL started to make rule changes and call PI more heavily precisely because Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy bitched to the rules committee over Ty Law consistently physically punking Marvin Harrison and the Colts' other WR's.

Once the NFL started changing those rules, and Manning's stats went through the stratosphere and the TV ratings went sky high because more big plays, more scoring- they never stopped changing the rules and gearing them more towards passing. It just kept going.

[MrNubbz]

The Pats were constantly holding,contacting,chopping colts recievers.It was a mugging some of those play off games.Anyway what did Jeff George do besides not live up to the hype?

[Mdot21]

The Pats were constantly holding,contacting,chopping colts recievers.It was a mugging some of those play off games.Anyway what did Jeff George do besides not live up to the hype?

He was basically an egomaniac who fought with all of his coaches and players. Excerpt from an article which ranked Jeff George as the #3 locker-room cancer in NFL history...

Jeff George was drafted by the Colts in the first round of the 1990 draft, but four years later, his career in Indianapolis only was remembered for a holdout, constant fighting with the coaches, making vile gestures to fans and trying to engineer his own trade.

George eventually ended up in Atlanta where things were peaceful for one year.

However, in 1996, cameras caught George and head coach June Jones getting into a heated argument on the sidelines that resulted in George being suspended for the rest of the season and then traded to Oakland.

In Oakland, things once again were good for a year before he clashed with Jon Gruden over the offense, ignoring calls from the sidelines and running his own offense on the field.

What followed was years of George bouncing around the league as a backup, arguing with Marty Schottenheimer about running the West Coast offense, and then occasionally showing up on the sideline as a backup quarterback before appearing on radio shows asking for a job.