2020 MLB Thread

[Brutus Buckeye]

[OrangeAfroMan]

One of these isn't any better than the others, just because it's real.

[MarqHusker]

Gilded Age of Baseball series by Rob Bauer is a great anthology of baseball in 1870s-1890.  Nicknames and mascots are well chronicled.    Stuff that makes the Indians logo seem like PG stuff.

[Hawkinole]

Orange Afroman, I really enjoyed your memes. That said, I agree with the premise of your post.

But the Cleveland Indians history is such that the Indians name originated from the several Indians on the original Cleveland Indians team. What other MLB team featured native, or minority players at that time? So it has a unique history to consider. On the other hand the symbols used by the Cleveland Baseball Team for many years, actually do suck.

[MarqHusker]

Well, I'd be all for going back to the Cleveland Naps.   (named after star and eventual Player-Mgr. Nap Lajoie).  That was sure better than the Blues or Bronchos their other two nicknames.

[OrangeAfroMan]

There's just no need to name teams after certain groups of people.  
More specifically, groups of people who didn't choose who they are. 

So an occupation is fine, but not a race.

Former pro baseball mascots:  
Bees, Rustlers, Beaneaters, Orphans, Colts, Pilots, Senators, Alleghenys, Gothams, Perfectos, Robins, Bridegrooms,.....maybe Orphans isn't okay, because you don't choose to be that.  Alleghenys is like the first Rockies.  
Beaneaters would be fine, unless it's a derogatory name or something.


The bottom line is that you have all the nouns and many of the verbs and adjectives to choose from.....there's  no need to have races or tribes or whatever.  

FSU claims they're okay because they have permission from the Seminole tribe of FL.  That's great, except that it's a tiny group compared to the OK Seminoles who were moved, obviously, and aren't okay with being a mascot.

But no matter the histories or discrepancies or whatever, there's no need for it.  It's not even an important thing, which may be the argument of the apathetic, but it's also works when you ask the question, "then why do it?"

[FearlessF]

Beaneaters would be fine, unless it's a derogatory name or something.

someone, anyone can simply decide they feel a name is derogatory or something

[MrNubbz]

Beaneaters would be fine, unless it's a derogatory name or something.

How about the Farts?That way the content or aroma would be familiar to you and would resemble your criteria

[CWSooner]

There's just no need to name teams after certain groups of people. 
More specifically, groups of people who didn't choose who they are.

So an occupation is fine, but not a race.

Former pro baseball mascots: 
Bees, Rustlers, Beaneaters, Orphans, Colts, Pilots, Senators, Alleghenys, Gothams, Perfectos, Robins, Bridegrooms,.....maybe Orphans isn't okay, because you don't choose to be that.  Alleghenys is like the first Rockies. 
Beaneaters would be fine, unless it's a derogatory name or something.


The bottom line is that you have all the nouns and many of the verbs and adjectives to choose from.....there's  no need to have races or tribes or whatever. 

FSU claims they're okay because they have permission from the Seminole tribe of FL.  That's great, except that it's a tiny group compared to the OK Seminoles who were moved, obviously, and aren't okay with being a mascot.

But no matter the histories or discrepancies or whatever, there's no need for it.  It's not even an important thing, which may be the argument of the apathetic, but it's also works when you ask the question, "then why do it?"

This reminds me of a situation with German POW war graves.  There were German soldiers captured during WWII who were held in the U.S. (We had a POW camp just south of Tulsa that hardly anyone knows about anymore.)  A few of them died during their stay.  After the war was over, a handful of the dead were not repatriated by their relatives after the war was over, so they were permanently buried in the U.S.  Eventually, their graves ended up being the responsibility of the V.A.
The headstones all were engraved with some little epitaph like "They faithfully served their country and their Fuhrer." And the image of the Knight's Cross (an Iron Cross with a small swastika in the middle) was on each stone as well.
Why anyone made the decision to do that with the headstones is hard to fathom at this point.  But it was done.
There is now a push to install replacement markers that don't have any reference to der Fuhrer and don't have the image of a swastika on them.
And, on military.com there are people posting in outrage about changing the headstones.
It's desecrating the graves, they say.  The men served honorably and shouldn't have their graves desecrated.  It may have been a bad decision at the time, but to change the headstones now would be desecrating the graves.  The guy pushing to have the headstones changed is a JOOO!  How dare A JOOO request that Nazi-favorable imagery be removed. It's bizarre.  These guys (or, I hope, Russian bots) have no reason to care about those headstones, much less to resist the de-Nazification of a V.A. cemetery.
But, for some reason, they do.
I think that a lot of the resistance to changing the name of the Washington D.C. Football Team and the Cleveland American League Baseball team is the same sort of thing.
People want to be outraged.  They hate P.C., so they get outraged when it looks like the P.C. people are winning, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the issue at hand.

[OrangeAfroMan]

How about the Farts?That way the content or aroma would be familiar to you and would resemble your criteria

Good one!  

[ELA]

Joe Kelly doing what the fans aren't going to be able to...even though he won a WS with a Red Sox team that also cheated.


https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/1288336176420552704?s=19

[MaximumSam]

Interesting. The Reds had a player test positive for corona and he was put on injured list. Then two more players felt ill and were held out but tested negative. They are back in tonight.

[ELA]

First time watching a game at Texas' new park on TV.  Quite a bland look on the interior.  I get it had to be inside, but man the old park looked so much cooler

[ELA]

Zac Plesac, the Indians #6 starter, pitched 8 shutout innings, 11 Ks, no walks, but no run support.  Pen comes in and gives up 3 in the 9th.