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Topic: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #168 on: August 14, 2020, 05:45:53 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
not sure about Purdue, but the Huskers need at least 20 hours per week

as you know, many places would be practicing 50 hours a week, year around if the NCAA didn't have limits

it won't hurt those kids, might be good for them
Purdue's young for about the 4th year in a row, and made more so with Rondale Moore [and likely Lorenzo Neal before all is said and done] clearly not planning to participate in fall/spring season. So they can use all the practice they can get. 

But the point is that it might very well hurt these kids if they contract COVID during practice. If you're going to cancel the season, the entire point of it is to reduce COVID risk. If you're still going down regular-season practice guidelines, are you really doing it for player safety? 

I'm not saying that they shouldn't do anything. But the conference shouldn't be putting those players through those activities when their season is ~6 months away if it happens at all.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #169 on: August 14, 2020, 06:17:30 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on August 14, 2020, 05:45:53 PM
Purdue's young for about the 4th year in a row, and made more so with Rondale Moore [and likely Lorenzo Neal before all is said and done] clearly not planning to participate in fall/spring season. So they can use all the practice they can get.

But the point is that it might very well hurt these kids if they contract COVID during practice. If you're going to cancel the season, the entire point of it is to reduce COVID risk. If you're still going down regular-season practice guidelines, are you really doing it for player safety?

I'm not saying that they shouldn't do anything. But the conference shouldn't be putting those players through those activities when their season is ~6 months away if it happens at all.
this is obviously not the reason

the reason is liability
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #170 on: August 14, 2020, 07:37:43 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2020, 05:03:19 PM
better than when the Big 12 was formed

all those votes were 11-1
Old hurts linger long, don't they?
Just ask a Sooner about the 1957 game with Notre Dame.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #171 on: August 14, 2020, 08:15:01 PM »
not really any "hurt"

didn't really hurt at the time.  I understood it to a certain extent. Thought it was poor decisions on a few topics.  Thought it was silly or childish on a couple others.

after joining the B1G and adhering to a different set of rules/decisions it seemed as if that's just the way things work.

very similar to 12-2

everyone has different viewpoints and opinions, doesn't make some right or wrong
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #172 on: August 14, 2020, 08:38:57 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2020, 06:17:30 PM
this is obviously not the reason

the reason is liability
The issue there is thus: the arguments for playing are generally centered around the fact that covid is comparatively harmless for young people. The arguments against generally center around the idea that playing and preventing infections can't really happen, so kids will get infected no matter the efforts to prevent it, and our knowledge about it is still incomplete.

So here's the thing. The colleges clearly profit from football. They know playing will lead to infections. So if they choose to play, and a player gets seriously ill, shouldn't they be liable for that?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #173 on: August 14, 2020, 08:56:52 PM »
How would you prove that the player got it from a game, and not class, dorms or a bar?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #174 on: August 14, 2020, 09:02:13 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 14, 2020, 08:56:52 PM
How would you prove that the player got it from a game, and not class, dorms or a bar?
The standard is more likely than not. If my client says her otherwise socially distanced, perhaps did classes online, and didn't go to a bar, and I can also prove that he played in close proximity to others who were infected, then the evidence would seem to point one way. If a cluster of infections arose among a team or multiple teams that played each other, then the burden quickly shifts to the university to prove otherwise.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #175 on: August 14, 2020, 09:03:47 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 14, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
The issue there is thus: the arguments for playing are generally centered around the fact that covid is comparatively harmless for young people. The arguments against generally center around the idea that playing and preventing infections can't really happen, so kids will get infected no matter the efforts to prevent it, and our knowledge about it is still incomplete.

So here's the thing. The colleges clearly profit from football. They know playing will lead to infections. So if they choose to play, and a player gets seriously ill, shouldn't they be liable for that?
perhaps, but any player has the option to opt out and stay on scholarship - perhaps players that want to play and assume the risk could sign a waiver

if a general student gets COVID and thinks they picked it up in English class, shouldn't the university be liable?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #176 on: August 14, 2020, 09:14:00 PM »
Also, so as to avoid needless arguments - I'm making a moral argument, not necessarily a legal one. I'm aware of the idea floating around that students couldn't possibly sue because they couldn't prove causation. To that I'd point to the Monsanto Round Up cases. They have lost one lawsuit to the tune of 289 million dollars under the theory that Roundup causes cancer, and settled others to the time of 10 billion. This is despite the fact that whether roundup actually causes cancer is incredibly unclear.

Anyway, my point is that the colleges probably should be liable if they pursue football despite knowing there could be severe consequences for the players. Say it's just one player - why should he bare all the costs and the colleges get the benefit?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #177 on: August 14, 2020, 09:16:19 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2020, 09:03:47 PM
perhaps, but any player has the option to opt out and stay on scholarship - perhaps players that want to play and assume the risk could sign a waiver

if a general student gets COVID and thinks they picked it up in English class, shouldn't the university be liable?
A worthy question. Though colleges exist to educate people, not necessarily to play football. I think the huge amount of profit they make from football, compared to the more rank and file profit they make from education, factors into the equation.
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #178 on: August 14, 2020, 09:43:39 PM »
UNL is taking more money from my daughter than they are taking from Adrian Martinez
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #179 on: August 14, 2020, 09:57:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 14, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
UNL is taking more money from my daughter than they are taking from Adrian Martinez
Definitely true but are they funding their entire athletic department, including paying some of the highest salaries in the state, based on the contributions of your daughter?
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #180 on: August 14, 2020, 10:10:36 PM »
well, my daughter is voluntarily paying for her education

Adrian is voluntarily contributing to the success of the athletic department

the university isn't forcing either of them

I feel Adrian is getting the better deal
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Re: 2020 Fall No-Season Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #181 on: August 14, 2020, 10:48:24 PM »
Hey Fearless you never responded on my golf video I dedicated to you

so here it is again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwnd1wbE-M
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