2020 Recruiting Thread

[Anonymous Coward]

I think mediocre recruiting can sometimes get a team into the playoff. But I think the examples we have of that we're all semifinal losses, and maybe they were mostly embarrassing losses. An MC, though, has literally never (in the BCS and playoff eras) been won by a team without Top 10 talent. Maybe it'll happen one day but is dramatically unlikely.

[Mdot21]

so, were the recruiting ratings wrong, or is there a lack of decent coaching causing the suck ass?

maybe a combo of both?

probably a combo of both going on there. as others have said, team chemistry is huge as well. if there's a bunch of assholes on the team that nobody likes and the locker room gets fractured, well that's a real quick way for losses to pile up and for things to just snowball and go south in a hurry.

coaching is most important. recruiting great players is part of coaching. great coaches can identify talent and develop that talent though. some coaches are just great recruiters and really aren't that great at identifying talent and developing it. the truly great coaches can land the elite kids and also identify the 2*'s and 3*'s that will be productive players or even star players.

coaching is always, always, always most important. unless of course you've got a roster like the early 2000s Miami Hurricanes. Then it doesn't really matter who the hell the coach is.

[FearlessF]

No doubt coaching is critical, both at the top and in the staff.  I think there also is a lot going on with "team chemistry" as well, something that may be more random in nature.  I'm not sure a great coach can win an NC these days with mediocre recruiting, say 25th in the 247.  I think they can be 11-2 obviously, really good years, but it's tough to make the FF and win without top level coaching.  I think Clemson had some classes in the teens when they won the first time.

yes, but now that they have won, they don't have classes in the teens any longer.

Due to better recruiting because the 4 and 5 stars want to win, or due to those 3 and 4 stars getting bumped to 4 and 5 because Clemson is recruiting them?

[Anonymous Coward]

I think Clemson had some classes in the teens when they won the first time.

The extent of "some" is what matters. Clemson was still one of 9-13 teams with a BCR greater than 50% when they won their first NC.

[bayareabadger]

yes, but now that they have won, they don't have classes in the teens any longer.

Due to better recruiting because the 4 and 5 stars want to win, or due to those 3 and 4 stars getting bumped to 4 and 5 because Clemson is recruiting them?

Clemson is interesting because those teens classes were heavy on four-stars and those four-stars played like high four-stars and five starts at a really good rate. Had a few 3 stars hit in a massive way as well. (Some might have been hurt by academics as well)

The guys they’re getting now, they mostly have a lot of offers and look the part in a big way.

[grillrat]

Purdue picked up Christian Gonzalez, a 4* safety out of Texas.  Other offers included Notre Dame, Alabama, and Ohio State.

It will likely be a brief trip, but for the moment, that pushes Purdue into the Top 25 for the 2020 classes.

It's so nice to be back to recruiting in the 20's and 30's rankings as opposed to the 60's through 80's.  If anybody has information on where one can buy a dystopian-futuresque head-explosion collar that will go off if you leave a set perimeter....say....something along the size of an area equivalent to West Lafayette, IN, and if it happens to come in a Jeff-Brohm-ish neck size, I'd be interested.  Especially a model that can be turned off for short periods of time like 5 Saturdays in the Fall for away games.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Purdue picked up Christian Gonzalez, a 4* safety out of Texas.  Other offers included Notre Dame, Alabama, and Ohio State.

It will likely be a brief trip, but for the moment, that pushes Purdue into the Top 25 for the 2020 classes.

FYI, interesting tidbit. David Blough recently married Melissa Gonzales... Who is the sister to Christian Gonzales. Which undoubtedly affected his choice of school. 

Now *that's* commitment to recruiting for your alma mater ;-) 

[MrNubbz]

Didn't we bust Harbaugh's chops for hiring/recruiting Family.Well it's not cute when Purdue pulls it-Bastages

[betarhoalphadelta]

Didn't we bust Harbaugh's chops for hiring/recruiting Family.Well it's not cute when Purdue pulls it-Bastages

Then I guess I shouldn't freak you out by posting this list... https://purduesports.com/coaches.aspx?path=football

[ELA]

Speaking of mid-90s Michigan football recruiting, I also stumbled into this...

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~svijan/mich95_6/foot.html

[Mdot21]

Speaking of mid-90s Michigan football recruiting, I also stumbled into this...

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~svijan/mich95_6/foot.html

pretty interesting.

Michigan's 1995 class had.....Tom Brady and Charles Woodson. Wonder if any one recruiting class had two players wind up being that great in the NFL. Both are 1st ballot NFL HOF locks. Brady is basically the undisputed greatest ever of NFL QBs, hell maybe even players. Woodson's career wasn't too shabby either. Definitely in that discussion of greatest all-around DB ever.

Michigan's 1998 class was epic....on paper. This was pre-Rivals and the sites, but most of the publications that were around had Drew Henson as the #1 or 2 QB, Justin Fargas as the #1 RB, and David Terrell and Marquise Walker as the #1 and #2 WR's.

Henson sort of lived up to the billing. He bolted on what would've been a spectacular senior season to go play pro baseball. That really hurts him imo. Feels like a big what if- kind of a waste of amazing football potential to be honest.

Fargas was basically a bust. He transferred to USC after injuries and a position switch.

Terrell lived up to his lofty ranking. Walker probably did too.

[Anonymous Coward]

I remember back when Michigan would let anyone with a "uniqname" (faculty, students, etc.) create a personal webpage at umich.edu. I'm wondering what kinds of conflicts that ever created. Here, for example, schools are typically disallowed from discussing prospective recruits before they sign. Couldn't rogue pages at umich.edu count?

[ELA]

pretty interesting.

Michigan's 1995 class had.....Tom Brady and Charles Woodson. Wonder if any one recruiting class had two players wind up being that great in the NFL. Both are 1st ballot NFL HOF locks. Brady is basically the undisputed greatest ever of NFL QBs, hell maybe even players. Woodson's career wasn't too shabby either. Definitely in that discussion of greatest all-around DB ever.

Good question.  I recall hearing once that USC had NFL HOFers in 4 consecutive recruiting classes in the late 70s.  And not borderline dudes either.  I think it was like Ronnie Lott, Anthony Munoz, Marcus Allen, and...?

[FearlessF]

Ron Yary?