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medinabuckeye1

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #2030 on: April 07, 2021, 12:44:40 PM »
I would also say any at large team must have 9 wins over P5 opponents
That is an interesting thought. All non-champions would have at least one P5 loss. Assuming they played 10 P5 opponents (either eight conference and two OOC or nine conference and one OOC) this rule would only allow that one loss (9-1).

I'm not sure how I feel about it. I agree with what I assume to be your underlying theory but I'd rather see NC contenders play OOC games against high-end G5 teams than against P5 bottom feeders.

Using tOSU as an example, would you rather have them play Boise or Kansas?
When it comes to this aspect of it, I's simply suggest the NCAA or whatever ruling body stop the lie that G5 can win a NC and either make them an in-between of P5 and FCS or relegate them to FCS. 

I'm perfectly content with having things stay how they are and the best G5 team win a NC every year.  But it would be theirs and not THE NC. 

If that was done, you wouldn't venture into the murky waters of gov't oversight in sports.
That would be fine by me, but I don't think it would be fine with the G5 so I do not think this would be a possible solution.

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« Reply #2031 on: April 07, 2021, 01:20:31 PM »
So the G5 would rather continue along with the lie, knowing full well they're never getting the carrot?  

Hell, I'd rather actually have a shot at a middle-ground NC than pretend that I have any shot at the real one.  I feel like the G5 programs are in purgatory.  Sure, they'd like to get into heaven, but those gates are locked.
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« Reply #2032 on: April 07, 2021, 01:24:47 PM »
the G5 is more interested in the money than a shiny carrot
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« Reply #2033 on: April 07, 2021, 01:26:55 PM »
Has it ever happened that two brothers got canned after the same season?
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« Reply #2034 on: April 07, 2021, 02:27:44 PM »
So the G5 would rather continue along with the lie, knowing full well they're never getting the carrot?
I would guess that while some of their fans and administrators realize this, a lot do not. There are probably a lot of UCF fans/alums/etc who think "hey, upsets happen, we could beat Alabama in a one time game". 

That is where the playoff really crushes their chances. If they could get in to a one game NC against Bama/Clemson/tOSU, they just might win. Given enough chances eventually they would. However, the chances of them winning consecutive games against Bama/Clemson/tOSU are basically zero and their chances of winning three straight against Bama/Clemson/tOSU in an eight-team playoff are zero.
Hell, I'd rather actually have a shot at a middle-ground NC than pretend that I have any shot at the real one.  I feel like the G5 programs are in purgatory.  Sure, they'd like to get into heaven, but those gates are locked.
As a fan, I agree with this. It is a lot more fun to root for YSU who has won and may again win the FCSNC than to be a fan of say Akron who has zero chance of winning an NC. I chose that comparison specifically because Akron used to be FCS and back when they were, YSU was one of their big rivals and they were a serious contender for the FCSNC.

Note, however that Akron actively sought to move up because . . .
the G5 is more interested in the money than a shiny carrot

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« Reply #2035 on: April 07, 2021, 02:28:06 PM »
Has it ever happened that two brothers got canned after the same season?
While two other brothers won their conference (and one a national title)

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« Reply #2036 on: April 07, 2021, 02:32:30 PM »
I would guess that while some of their fans and administrators realize this, a lot do not. There are probably a lot of UCF fans/alums/etc who think "hey, upsets happen, we could beat Alabama in a one time game".

That is where the playoff really crushes their chances. If they could get in to a one game NC against Bama/Clemson/tOSU, they just might win. Given enough chances eventually they would. However, the chances of them winning consecutive games against Bama/Clemson/tOSU are basically zero and their chances of winning three straight against Bama/Clemson/tOSU in an eight-team playoff are zero.As a fan, I agree with this. It is a lot more fun to root for YSU who has won and may again win the FCSNC than to be a fan of say Akron who has zero chance of winning an NC. I chose that comparison specifically because Akron used to be FCS and back when they were, YSU was one of their big rivals and they were a serious contender for the FCSNC.

Note, however that Akron actively sought to move up because . . .
Couple things.

First, I think their previous chance in a one off is hoping they don't even okay Bama.  They go undefeated, and find a way to play 2011 Notre Dame, or the like.

Second, I strongly agree.  If I were an Appalachian State fan, I would be pissed.  I think being a small conference basketball school where the conference tourney is a big deal, and then hey, who knows, is fun.  Hell, I love watching mid major tourney basketball.  Once those start, I watch nearly no regular season high major games.  But who cares about winning the Sun Belt in football?

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« Reply #2037 on: April 07, 2021, 03:04:14 PM »
So the G5 would rather continue along with the lie, knowing full well they're never getting the carrot? 

Hell, I'd rather actually have a shot at a middle-ground NC than pretend that I have any shot at the real one.  I feel like the G5 programs are in purgatory.  Sure, they'd like to get into heaven, but those gates are locked.

Almost assuredly. 

You’d rather get crushed as a 16 seedy than win the NIT. 

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« Reply #2038 on: April 07, 2021, 11:46:46 PM »
Almost assuredly.

You’d rather get crushed as a 16 seedy than win the NIT.
FCS schools are still D1.  I get it for large schools who are not FCS powers, but does Appalachian State make more money off whatever the Sun belts TV deal is, and New Orleans bowl bid, than being an FCS power?  I legitimately don't know

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« Reply #2039 on: April 08, 2021, 07:32:03 AM »
FCS schools are still D1.  I get it for large schools who are not FCS powers, but does Appalachian State make more money off whatever the Sun belts TV deal is, and New Orleans bowl bid, than being an FCS power?  I legitimately don't know
I think they make more but also spend more?

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« Reply #2040 on: April 08, 2021, 08:44:17 AM »
When a program moves up from FCS, it's for the potential for more money, on a long-enough timeline.  But along with that move up comes more money put into the program and an emphasis on it.  Needing to get those 15,000+ butts in seats, etc.

Why not remain in FCS and funnel attention and money into your football program and be the big fish in the small pond?  Win championships!  Don't acquire a glass ceiling over yourself.  
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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #2041 on: April 08, 2021, 11:37:00 AM »
When a program moves up from FCS, it's for the potential for more money, on a long-enough timeline.  But along with that move up comes more money put into the program and an emphasis on it.  Needing to get those 15,000+ butts in seats, etc.

Why not remain in FCS and funnel attention and money into your football program and be the big fish in the small pond?  Win championships!  Don't acquire a glass ceiling over yourself. 
I think there are non-football reasons. 

It would certainly be more fun for football fans of YSU to root for the FCSNC YSU team, but I would guess that most casual fans don't know or care who the FCSNC is. OTOH, if you play a game against a major school, people see your name. Does that increase applications? Increased applications lead to greater selectivity, higher academic rankings, and higher tuition. I would guess that is a motivator here. 

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #2042 on: April 08, 2021, 12:29:37 PM »
When a program moves up from FCS, it's for the potential for more money, on a long-enough timeline.  But along with that move up comes more money put into the program and an emphasis on it.  Needing to get those 15,000+ butts in seats, etc.

Why not remain in FCS and funnel attention and money into your football program and be the big fish in the small pond?  Win championships!  Don't acquire a glass ceiling over yourself. 
I'm not sure, the numbers can be opaque and difficult to parse, but for a lot of FCS programs I think they can get more guaranteed money by joining a FBS conference pretty much no matter what.

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Re: 2020-2021 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #2043 on: April 12, 2021, 10:05:43 AM »
There have been 36 tournaments since expansion in 1985. Only two have been won by teams from outside the major conferences and one of those is now in a major conference:

  • Louisville won it all in 1986 as a member of the Metro Conference. They are now in the ACC.
  • UNLV won it all in 1990 as a member of the Big West Conference. They are now in the MWC.
It has been more than 30 years since a team from outside the major conferences won it all.

Championships by CURRENT league of the winner:
  • 13, ACC
  • 7, B-East
  • 6, SEC
  • 4, B1G
  • 3, B12
  • 2, P12
  • 1, MWC.
Championships by team:
  • 5, Duke
  • 4, UNC, UCONN
  • 3, Villanova, Kentucky 
  • 2, Kansas, Louisville, Florida 
  • 1, Zona, Arkansas, Baylor, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Syracuse, UCLA, UNLV, Virginia. 


 

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