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Topic: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #322 on: July 04, 2019, 07:24:46 AM »


So it really bothered me when I heard a player for the other team come out and guarantee wins, and Revenge Tours, and shit like that, and I remember those days and my head almost popped off my shoulders. That’s disrespecting the rivalry. And I think - everyone listen real close, this is in our DNA, this will never change: How do you really show respect for a rivalry?
Think about it. Very simple question, complicated answer. How do you show respect for a rivalry?

Is it a tee shirt, is it that asshole that said they were going to win the game and said “I guarantee it” or that defensive end, really good player, "Revenge Tour Almost Done'"so he’s going to group us with Wisconsin or Penn State or something like that?

How do you really show respect for a rivalry? And all due respect, maybe some up there don’t understand that. You work that [expletive] every day. Every day. You walk in that staff room - this is for the new coaches, you know who they recruit. You know what they’re doing every day. What I ask Mark Pantoni - who are they recruiting? Who are they going after? What is their practice schedule? What are they doing? Are we outworking them?

So I’ll say this again. How do you respect a rivalry? You work it every day. You don’t shoot your mouth off. If I ever hear, whatever’s going on, I hear a player take a shot verbally at them - that’s a problem. How do you show respect for a rivalry? You work it every [expletive] day. Not by tee shirts. Not by bullshit.

When I see people giggle about how we don’t wear blue in here - I don’t laugh about that. We don’t have blue pens in here. That’s not funny. This is Nike vs. Adidas, this is Coke vs. Pepsi, this is Ohio State vs the Team Up North. This is our livelihood.

So if you're new to the program - welcome to the program. Understand where you’re at. This is not a game. This is not silly. This is a way of life. There’s a bunch of former players in the back [of the room] that lived it. As you move up, you live it. This is who you are.

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. And you work it every day. And I don’t give a shit if you’re from California or Texas or whatever, as soon as you say you’re a Buckeye this is part of your life for the rest of your life - and you don’t lose to those pricks. You beat them every day. Every day.

This will always be a player’s program. What you guys did in that game, to put a beating on that team like they’ve never had a beating before in the history of that program - very good program, by the way - you notice how we talk about them, right? Is that a good program up there? Great program. Good players up there? Great players. Great coaches? Great coaches.

That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #323 on: July 04, 2019, 08:37:24 AM »
"That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did."

That's a goddamn national treasure

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #324 on: July 04, 2019, 08:59:01 AM »
He really is a fantastic coach.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #326 on: July 08, 2019, 09:36:27 AM »
"That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did."

That's a goddamn national treasure
This is one of the best quotes I've ever seen. Great speech.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #327 on: July 08, 2019, 09:44:44 AM »
I suspect over time that destroys a rivalry.  I don't think a rivalry can persist if it grows one sided.


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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #328 on: July 08, 2019, 10:43:01 PM »
I suspect over time that destroys a rivalry.  I don't think a rivalry can persist if it grows one sided.
It’s been one sided for almost 2 decades. It hasn’t gotten any less intense and means just as much to OSU and UM. I do suspect it has diminished quite a bit to the rest of the nation. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #329 on: July 08, 2019, 10:44:44 PM »
Buckeyes are killing it right now recruiting the offensive side of the ball. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a recruiting class with this many top receivers. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #330 on: July 09, 2019, 06:24:20 AM »
Long way to signing day and the game is still won in the trenches
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #331 on: July 09, 2019, 09:27:24 AM »
The Rivalry will stay strong and relevant so long as Michigan fields a good team over time, even if OSU wins 9 of 10.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #332 on: July 09, 2019, 10:27:59 AM »
The Rivalry will stay strong and relevant so long as Michigan fields a good team over time, even if OSU wins 9 of 10.
I think this really is the key.  Two examples:

In Harbaugh's four years he is 0-4.  However, he has been bringing good teams into THE GAME and that has kept the rivalry strong:
  • In 2018 Michigan came in 10-1 (same as tOSU) and was favored.  
  • In 2017 Michigan came in 8-3 while Ohio State was 9-2.  The Buckeyes were expected to win, but not favored by a huge margin.  
  • In 2016 Michigan came in 10-1 (same as tOSU) and the teams were both still in the B1G-E race.  
  • In 2015 Michigan came in 9-2 while Ohio State was 10-1 and the teams were both still mathematically in the B1G-E race.  

The situation was the inverse from 1993-1997.  Michigan dominated W's and L's in THE GAME (4-1) but the rivalry was strong because Ohio State was fielding good teams and was often favored.  

When the rivalry really suffers is when one team is relegated to the role of spoiler AND fails to pull off the upset.  



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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #333 on: July 09, 2019, 10:57:12 AM »
The rivalry has been pretty one-sided for a very long time and really for nearly all of it's history with only one notable exception:

  • From 2001-2018 the Buckeyes are 15-2
  • From 1985-2000 the Wolverines went 12-3-1
  • From 1952-1968 the Buckeyes went 12-5
  • From 1938-1951 the Wolverines went 10-2-2
  • From 1928-1937 the Buckeyes went 7-3
  • Prior to 1928 the Wolverines went 19-3-2
The notable exception is the Ten Year War between Woody and Bo and the first six years of Bo vs Earle.  In that 16 year stretch from 1969-1984 the series was near-even with Ohio State holding a slight 8-7-1 lead.  


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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #334 on: July 09, 2019, 11:26:51 AM »
Here is a chart of the rolling 10-year winning percentage.  Note that most times when it has been close to even that has been simply transitional with one team on the way up and the other on the way down.  The major exception is that for 1962-1971 through 1981-1990 it was within 0.15 of .500:

  • 62-71:  6-4 tOSU
  • 63-72:  6-4 tOSU
  • 64-73:  5-4-1 tOSU
  • 65-74:  6-3-1 tOSU
  • 66-75:  6-3-1 tOSU
  • 67-76:  6-3-1 tOSU
  • 68-77:  5-4-1 tOSU
  • 69-78:  5-4-1 M
  • 70-79:  5-4-1 tOSU
  • 71-80:  5-4-1 M
  • 72-81:  5-4-1 tOSU
  • 73-82:  5-4-1 tOSU
  • 74-83:  5-5
  • 75-84:  5-5
  • 76-85:  6-4 M
  • 77-86:  6-4 M
  • 78-87:  5-5
  • 79-88:  5-5
  • 80-89:  6-4 M
  • 81-90:  6-4 M


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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #335 on: July 09, 2019, 11:37:10 AM »
Here is the 25 year rolling winning percentage chart.  For Ohio State the 2018 win replaced the 1993 loss and moved the Buckeyes over .700 for the first time ever.  Michigan briefly touched .700 for 1976-2000 but hasn't been above .700 since well before WWII.  

Ohio State currently sits as 17-7 or .708 for 1994-2018.  Michigan can get back over .300 by winning in 2019 but after that they will not get another chance to improve until 2023.  The reason is that in this rolling chart each new year replaces the oldest year and that is problematic for Michigan right now because the years about to be replaced were good for them:

  • 2019 will replace 1994, an Ohio State win
  • 2020 will replace 1995, a Michigan win
  • 2021 will replace 1996, a Michigan win
  • 2022 will replace 1997, a Michigan win
  • 2023 will replace 1998, an Ohio State win
  • 2024 will replace 1999, a Michigan win
  • 2025 will replace 2000, a Michigan win.  
Over the next seven years we will be replacing five Michigan wins and just two Ohio State wins.  Thus, if Ohio State goes 2-5 or better over the next seven years they will remain above .700 in 25 year rolling winning percentage.  After that things get easier for Michigan with the replacement of Tressel's, and Meyer's years.  


 

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