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Title: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread
Post by: ELA on January 03, 2019, 12:54:58 PM
Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter

https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 03, 2019, 12:58:57 PM
Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter

https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
Don’t know if true or not but Ohio states linebacker play was the worst this year in at least eight decade. Granted it’s partially because they’ve lost so many players as underclassmen to the NFL but it was still pretty dismal this year. If true side bonus is that Washington is from Ohio and has very strong inroads into recruiting
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 03, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter

https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
Wouldn’t trust anything that idiot says. He’s “Ace Williams” from Chatsports. 
He makes stuff up and throws it against the wall. 
Washington may take the job, he’s from Ohio. But this guy has zero sources.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 03, 2019, 02:47:08 PM
How long has this guy been at M?As ELA says their LB play has dropped,so if he's been there a while he could be part of the problem.Just my .02
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 03, 2019, 02:49:33 PM
How long has this guy been at M?As ELA says their LB play has dropped,so if he's been there a while he could be part of the problem.Just my .02
He’s been there just one year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 03, 2019, 02:52:28 PM
Thanx,just saw that,tell ya what swap him for Warinner?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 03, 2019, 02:53:47 PM
And here’s the idiot from chatsports back tracking already...lol

https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080905114758582273?s=20

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Entropy on January 03, 2019, 04:09:36 PM
if he made that up, then he's playing checkers instead of chess.   His limited audience will dwindle. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 03, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
Chess. Not checkers.

lol
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 03, 2019, 05:34:38 PM
Jordan Fuller coming back
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 03, 2019, 06:22:14 PM
Jordan Fuller coming back
Great news.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 03, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
Good News, needs a big year to move up the charts,hope things come together for him.Only had one pick this season
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2019, 10:30:59 PM
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2019
Aug. 31 Florida Atlantic
Sept. 7 Cincinnati
Sept. 14  at Indiana
Sept. 21 Miami, Ohio
Sept. 28 at Nebraska
Oct. 5 Michigan State
Oct. 12  Off
Oct. 19 at Northwestern
Oct. 26 Wisconsin
Nov. 2 Off
Nov. 9 Maryland
Nov. 16 at Rutgers
Nov. 23 Penn State
Nov. 30 at Michigan
Dec. 7 Big Ten Championship
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Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 03, 2019, 10:53:10 PM
They are playing Florida Atlantic for the first time.

Ohio St leads the series with Cincinnati 14-2. They got six games in from 1893-1900. OSU won the first game in Columbus, and then went 3-2 @Cincinnati. OSU won in 1894, 1995 and 1900. UC won in 1896 and 1897. Later they were both in the OAC simultaneously from 1910-1912 and played in Columbus all three years. The Buckeyes won all three, and won an OAC Title in 1912 before joining the Big Ten the following year. Soon after Chic Harley guided the Buckeyes to a 46-0 home win in 1919, and OSU beat them badly in Columbus again in 1931. In the modern era they have played five times, four times in Columbus and once in the Bengals' stadium. The Bearcats put a scare in the Buckeyes in 99, and nearly knocked off the 02 NC Buckeyes in Cincinnati. The first of many miraculous wins for the Buckeyes that season. Ohio State coach Fred Ryder collected the first win against the Bearcats in 1893, and went onto be a sports writer in Cincinnati where he went by Jack Ryder, who is credited with naming UC's football team "The Bearcats." This is a sneaky dangerous game of course with the whole Luke Fickel thing going on down there.

Ohio State is 5-0 against Miami. In 1904 the Buckeyes edged the Redskins 80-0 to get things going. Their next game was the lone Conference game between the two OAC teams in 1911. It was the closest at 3-0. They didn't play again until the year 2000 when the Redhawks put a scare into John Cooper's final team, but ultimately lost by 11. In 2005 Jim Tressel's boys beat 'em by 20. Then in 2012 Urban put a 56-10 beat down on 'em in his first game at the helm. Day will be the fourth consecutive Buckeye coach to square off against Miami. So far all of the games have been in Columbus. 

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 04, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
Some reports that Justin Fields is officially transferring to OSU.  He's appealing for immediate eligibility, but no information on that.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 04, 2019, 12:20:02 PM
Michael Jordan going pro
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 04, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
Alex Grinch leaving OSU for Oklahoma
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: EastAthens on January 04, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwq0uudTYfA

This is what you are getting.  Go to the 2:50 mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on January 04, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Buckeye fans have been seeing that type of play for a long while, just hope he can throw better than Miller and Barrett, it has been nice seeing a true pocket passer this season, almost forgot what it looked like!

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 04, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
Fields seems like a kid with a screw loose upstairs. 

Highly doubtful he gets the waiver to play right away, which means if Martell balls out and locks that job down for 2020 and beyond, Fields probably transfers again.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 04, 2019, 06:44:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBUW0l-3wLg
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 05, 2019, 02:31:37 PM
Alex Grinch leaving OSU for Oklahoma
Wonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 05, 2019, 02:42:43 PM
Buckeye fans have been seeing that type of play for a long while, just hope he can throw better than Miller and Barrett, it has been nice seeing a true pocket passer this season, almost forgot what it looked like!


Who knows if he turns out to be any good.  But you have obviously never seen his highlight reel if you are unsure of his throwing ability. 
He won the Elite 11 competition beating everyone, including Trevor Lawrence- and it is a passing competition.  Has the arm to make every throw.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 05, 2019, 02:46:17 PM
Fields seems like a kid with a screw loose upstairs.

Highly doubtful he gets the waiver to play right away, which means if Martell balls out and locks that job down for 2020 and beyond, Fields probably transfers again.
Curious on both takes?  Why does he have a screw loose?
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low.  Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
Also, if the only guy they had was Baldwin, that would be ok. He is the sleeper in all of this.  Kid reminds of a more mobile Haskins with his arm strength, touch an accuracy.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/433460/59ac32baf55fda0dc803cde5 (https://www.hudl.com/video/3/433460/59ac32baf55fda0dc803cde5)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 05, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
Curious on both takes?  Why does he have a screw loose?
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low.  Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
Also, if the only guy they had was Baldwin, that would be ok. He is the sleeper in all of this.  Kid reminds of a more mobile Haskins with his arm strength, touch an accuracy.
Yeah at this point everyone gets it.
Somehow everyone at Ole Miss was getting paid...except the #1 QB recruit in the nation...from Toledo...who was blindsoded to find out his teammates were.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on January 05, 2019, 05:37:22 PM
Wonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrong
Urbs didn't strike me as the "everyone gets a trophy" type... 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 05, 2019, 06:27:06 PM
Wonder if he would of stayed if Schiano was sent packing?He did good things in Pullman with the Pirate.I hate this co-horshit Urbz always employed 2 DC's,prolly why he left.There were 2 OC's with Day & Wilson.Chit a few years back Urbz had 9-that's right 9 co captains.Sometime UFM just thought he was smarter than the field.Wish Ryan Day luck but he could have fumbled the ball here - hope I'm wrong
The double coordinator  thing is usually to get people more titles so you can get them more money.  Sometimes it refers to the structure of roles, but often times not. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 05, 2019, 06:40:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH1-8rdgHbI
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 05, 2019, 08:45:52 PM
The double coordinator  thing is usually to get people more titles so you can get them more money.  Sometimes it refers to the structure of roles, but often times not.
Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 05, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
Good points but I recall something about too many chefs......
They know.  When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 06, 2019, 08:38:35 AM
They know.  When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.
That may be but IMO Grinch came in expecting the gig.So who was answering to who?Had to be a solid reason for him to bolt after one season.Perhaps a chance to make a name for himself that he didn't appear to be getting in C-Bus.Be interesting moving forward to see what he can make of the  Sooners "D".
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 06, 2019, 08:49:25 AM
I thought that they had hired Grinch as a replacement for Schiano when they thought he was going to Tennessee? 

Grinch grew up in Columbus as a fan, but sorta had the whole co-coordinator thing thrust upon him. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 06, 2019, 03:55:23 PM
I was in St John looking at their collection of OSU FB team pictures (they have them all) and it reminded me of a quandary that we had in ELA's "Jersey Number" thread last year with regards to what year they began numbering the jerseys. Well I now know the answer, at least insofar as Ohio State is concerned. They first toyed with the concept of numbered jerseys in 1929, but it did not become a regular staple until 1934. 

I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today. 

That was the year that they hired Francis Schmidt. That was the year that the Michigan game was moved to the end of the season, and the Gold Pants tradition was installed. OSU began to emerge as a Conference power. That was the year that OSU quit playing OAC teams out of Conference. 

The Horseshoe was all broken in by then, Script Ohio had recently become a thing, The forward pass had modernized the game play for the most part, and the NFL was beginning to establish itself as a serious professional league, with a collection of teams that is mostly recognizable to modern day fans, so the implementation of the jersey numbers as well as the emergence of THE GAME really tied it all together.

I think the experience of watching OSU football would be mostly pretty familiar to us back until exactly that point, before which it would begin to get really goofy really fast. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 06, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Breaking down the jersey before 1934: 

In the pre-Eckstrom era, 1890-98, they initially wore the baseball uniforms but switched after a few seasons to horizontally striped scarlet and grey rugby sweaters. The "grey stripe" on the sleeve was born. They burned through a lot of coaches with Fred Ryder being the most prominent one, coaching from 1892-95, as well as 1898. They were a middling program that mustered only one Conference title before the OIAA disbanded. They only played Michigan once, in 1897, and it was a loss. They went only 3-6 against Kenyon, who was their primary rival at the time.

John Eckstrom coached the team from 1899-1901, which was the pinnacle of the pre-Big Ten era. They had an iconic look with Red sweaters that had a block O on the front and long, horizontally striped scarlet and grey sleeves. This is the inspiration for the modern jersey obviously, only with a block letter instead of block numbers. They won two state titles, including an undefeated 1899 campaign, kicked off the annual Michigan series with a tie in 1900, and went 3-0 vs Kenyon, which kicked off a winning streak in that series that is technically still alive to this day. 

OAC era: 1902-1912. They rolled through this era with the Eckstrom jerseys, albeit with the caveat that only one player had the block O on the front; presumably the QB or maybe the head captain. The era was somewhat disappointing after the Eckstrom administration. They went undefeated against Kenyon, but went winless against Michigan with the lone tie in 1910. They did manage to muster a pair of OAC titles in 1906 and 1912. 

Dr John Wilce era: 1913-1928. The Buckeyes joined the Big Ten in 1913, and Wilce guided the buckeyes from then until 1928. The Eckstrom jersey was replaced with the "Chic Harley" look that had leather helmets and a Scarlet sweater with vertical Grey stripes across the front. The grey striping was removed from the sleeves entirely. They stuck with that look the entire time that Wilce was the coach, with zero modifications whatsoever. A lot of innovations in that era obviously. Big Ten, Ohio Stadium, the first two all Americans, the Illibuck Trophy, Senior Tackle, and so forth. The Michigan series was suspended from 13-17, but Wilce collected wins over them in 19, 20, 21, and 28. Big Ten Titles in 16, 17 and 20.

The era between Wilce and Schmidt: 1929 to 1933. They reverted back to the old Eckstrom look for the jerseys, initially with numbered jerseys in 1929, but with the numbers removed for the duration of that era. Sam Williman was the coach, and he did not fare well. Script Ohio became a thing in 1932, so there's that. He did manage to muster a pair of Michigan wins in 29 and 31. The striping on the sleeve was dialed back from being a sleeve made entirely out of grey stripes to one that had just a small band of stripes above the elbow, more like the modern look. 

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 06, 2019, 09:32:47 PM
Some Mike Tressel to OSU Twitter rumors today.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 01:07:56 PM
OSU defensive staff could look really different.  I figured they had settled on Schiano, but Rivals reports Schiano is out and Bucks looking at Greg Mattison from Michigan.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 01:20:53 PM
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
No earthly idea other than maybe Day just hated most everyone on the defensive staff and is cleaning house.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
Sounds like Mattison is official.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2019, 02:29:05 PM
Kinda shocked. He’s like 70. His grand children and his kids live in Michigan. That’s part of the reason he left the NFL to go join Brady Hoke back in 2011.

Apparently his contract was up. Harbaugh could’ve offered him a raise and a Co-DC title I think if he really wanted him to stay. I believe he should have.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on January 07, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Haskins to the NFL.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/01/101139/dwayne-haskins-declares-for-2019-nfl-draft (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/01/101139/dwayne-haskins-declares-for-2019-nfl-draft)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2019, 03:10:34 PM
Curious on both takes?  Why does he have a screw loose?
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low.  Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer. 
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there. 
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it. 
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 07, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
Most of the fans were thinking/hoping the same thing.He'll get his chance in Norman so we'll find out in a few years how it shakes out.I thought Grinch was a good pick up.Hope Mattison still has it
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 03:15:21 PM
Apparently the other half of the DC equation is Jeff Hafley, who was the DB coach for the 49ers
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 07, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter

https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120
Well, seems like the offer is officially out there now
https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/1082387857220816896
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
Good optics nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 07, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
I know nothing about Hafley.  I love the Mattison hire.  Obviously he's not going to be there for 20 years, but he will bring a lot of stability and soundness to OSU's defense.  An OSU defense that was sound this year might still be playing tonight.

Sounds like Al Washington for Michigan has an offer, too, and has to decide whether to stay or go.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 07, 2019, 05:34:31 PM
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts. 
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is 
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically 
Wins the job. People are underestimating 
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2019, 05:48:38 PM
Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts.
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically
Wins the job. People are underestimating
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.  
I’d be surprised if he gets it.
If it’s so dangerous for blacks, why are his parents allowing his sister to go there now? 
Georgia’s football team is probably 90% black. If it’s so bad there, why aren’t all the black players on Georgia’s team transferring in droves? 
Kid wants to transfer because he wants to start. Seems really dangerous to me to let this punk play the race card and just grant him the waiver based on total bs. Georgia kicked that baseball player out of school like literally within a few days of the incident going down.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 07, 2019, 05:58:36 PM
I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today.
I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 05:59:04 PM
The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 07, 2019, 06:02:55 PM
The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests.
Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it. 
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
The protests would likely be on the level of the National Anthem protests that the NFL just endured. 

Look, I find it snow flaky too. Sticks and stones, and all that. And I agree that no one would even pretend to give a crap if the situation was reversed. But that's not the world we live in. The world we live in is a world where the NCAA will knuckle under quickly, without even pretending to put up a fight. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 06:23:13 PM

The NCAA is not going to want to be the subject of a National discussion about the threshold of racial intolerance a player has to be subjected to before they have a legitimate gripe. 

Georgia isn't going to want any part of it either. That would get real ugly real quick. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 07, 2019, 08:28:18 PM
I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:
  • Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.  
  • The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.  

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  
I think this is actually a solid argument that 1934 was the pivotal point. A symbolic closing of the door on their OAC roots with one final beat down of a team that used to have OSU's number, before going all in on THE GAME. 
I think the "second to last" thing is a tad nit-picky as well. Illinois and Michigan were OSU's only fixed annual conference rivals. They final game was going to be one or the other. Obviously the switch was being made, but it took a season or two to get the schedule worked out exactly to their liking, which is understandable. It is not like Iowa was the rival for a year. The Gold Pants tradition starting up in 1934 pretty much shows their hand, imo. 
Now if I were to play Devil's advocate and advocate for pushing it up to WWII, I might point out that just because OSU had jersey numbers in 1934, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else did as well. So watching OSU go up against a numberless team might be a little bizarre. Also the plastic helmet wasn't invented until 1939, but by the end of the war both were probably common place across the board. Helmets actually weren't even mandatory until the end of WWII, which is of course another important factor to consider. 
On the flip side... WWII slices Paul Brown and Francis Schmidt out of the picture, whereas 1934 sorta shoehorns them in. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 08, 2019, 07:41:11 AM
I have 2 thoughts so far.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.

2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs??? 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 08, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
Sounds like Al Washington will join the Buckeyes
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 08, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it.
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.
I've not heard him saying Georgia is unsafe for black people.  But one of their star baseball players was calling him the n-word from the stands during a game, and then the baseball player got kicked off the team.  Fields is also a baseball prospect.  There's no doubt that the baseball player probably had a lot of support from the baseball team and from many at the school, and will blame Fields for him being kicked off the team.  That's an ugly situation and I don't blame Fields for not wanting to be in it anymore. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 08, 2019, 11:14:43 AM
I have 2 thoughts so far.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.

2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs???
As far as continuity, anyone watching can see that the defense needed a shakeup, and honestly I think part of the reason Meyer retired is that he doesn't want to can his good friends.  As far as Michigan, they have fielded some pretty good defenses, and they recruit the same areas as OSU.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 08, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
I feel like Mattison was hails at brilliant when he starter, and then the shine wore off. Granted, being on this board for over a decade (lord), it seems as if every Michigan reset came with a wave of promise and then gradual slip. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 08, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
I feel like Mattison was hails at brilliant when he starter, and then the shine wore off. Granted, being on this board for over a decade (lord), it seems as if every Michigan reset came with a wave of promise and then gradual slip.
LOL ain't that the truth.  I feel like people tend to overrate assistant coaches as some sort of magic men.  If Mattison just gets the defense to play sound football, he'll likely be hailed as a great messiah.  He's been coaching longer than I've been watching football, and he's had plenty of rough seasons.  But he was co-coordinator with Charlie Strong under the Urbs at Florida, in a setup that seems really similar to what they are doing now.  I was also impressed when he and Hoke took over for Rich Rod's team and turned them immediately into a competent defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on January 08, 2019, 01:07:33 PM
Do not get the Mattison hire at all for Day.  Hope it works out for him the brief stay Mattison will likely have in C-Bus.  That guy is a Michigan Man from head to toe and it shocked me to see that he moved to Columbus for a title he pretty much already had in Ann Arbor.  Conflicting inof about he and Jimmy Football's relationship, but still skeptical about this hire. 

Washington moving is much more understandable, and not near the same type of hire.  Anything in that coaching slot was better than Davis and Johnson.  Would like to know know why Grinch bolted so fast, its not like his move to OU was a step up, more of a lateral move.  Day is making a huge change on the defensive side of the ball, he better hope his shake up yields immediate results or the natives in Buckeye Nation will show their fangs quick.

Good luck to Haskins, hope it works for him in the long run, not just the millions he will get in signing bonus.  I still do not see him starting immediately as a top 10 pick, and any team that tries to throw him in the mix early will only destroy his chances of success.  I would not be surprised if he is a 3 year prospect, but current NFL dollars do not wait that long, like Aaron Rogers was lucky to get, and he had way more college experience. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 08, 2019, 05:09:27 PM
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Yah, you be the guy/organization that says his racism case is week. We all know it is, but going on record saying that is a career ender. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
OSU got two really good recruiters, that’s for sure. 

Mattison has kind of slowed down with age, he’s not on the road as much as he used to be, but he’s still a great recruiter. Who knows how much longer he’s got left in the tank. He is 70. But if OSU can get a few solid years out of him, it’s a great hire. 

As for Al Washington. He was in Ann Arbor for less than a year. Not sure how good of a coach he is or isn’t. The LB play honestly fell off with him. Khaleke Hudson absolutely regressed, Devin Gil and Josh Ross were both very up and down, and Devin Bush was his amazing self. Bush really didn’t get any worse or better, he just kinda stayed the same. All of this sort of leads me to believe he’s probably not the best LB coach.

Washington was a hell of a recruiter though. He will kill it recruiting at OSU. Next to Chris Partridge, OSU just poached Michigan’s second best recruiter in Washington.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 08, 2019, 11:44:10 PM

Harbaugh picked a bad time to go on vacation. 

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Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 08, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
Harbaugh picked a bad time to go on vacation.

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Lol. True.
Jim is slacking.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 09, 2019, 09:10:04 AM
I saw Ryan Day at Polaris yesterday. He was on his phone so I just gave him a head nod. (Or was faking being on his phone, so he didn't have to interact with obviously excited dad, and shake hands with his germy 5 year old. 😈 )
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on January 09, 2019, 09:23:17 AM
OSU got two really good recruiters, that’s for sure.

Mattison has kind of slowed down with age, he’s not on the road as much as he used to be, but he’s still a great recruiter. Who knows how much longer he’s got left in the tank. He is 70. But if OSU can get a few solid years out of him, it’s a great hire.

As for Al Washington. He was in Ann Arbor for less than a year. Not sure how good of a coach he is or isn’t. The LB play honestly fell off with him. Khaleke Hudson absolutely regressed, Devin Gil and Josh Ross were both very up and down, and Devin Bush was his amazing self. Bush really didn’t get any worse or better, he just kinda stayed the same. All of this sort of leads me to believe he’s probably not the best LB coach.

Washington was a hell of a recruiter though. He will kill it recruiting at OSU. Next to Chris Partridge, OSU just poached Michigan’s second best recruiter in Washington.


I would be surprised if he stays more than two years.  He lives football, but is not a young coach any longer, and as I said is a Michigan Man which makes it even more strange that he would leave a position he was secure with to move to Columbus, to possibly finish out his coaching career.  Strange! 
 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 09, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 09, 2019, 09:38:38 AM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
Man that sucks.  Been through that, too.  On the football side, though, I haven't been to a game in years and don't really miss it.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 09, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
Sorry to hear that man
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 09, 2019, 10:10:45 AM
It rarely works out between Wildcats and Shamrocks.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on January 09, 2019, 10:38:10 AM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
Damn. Been there 3 years ago. Two words: lawyer up. I wish I had. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on January 09, 2019, 11:34:58 AM
That is too bad Ty, good luck!
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Entropy on January 09, 2019, 11:46:38 AM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
that sucks... sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 09, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
Damn. Been there 3 years ago. Two words: lawyer up. I wish I had.

We have a family lawyer. I put into the separation contract, that if this leads to divorce he will represent my side.
And I will miss going to the games.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on January 09, 2019, 07:18:57 PM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
Sorry to hear this.  It will get better.   Trust it.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 09, 2019, 08:09:50 PM
Thanks for the well wishes guys.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 09, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend.
Well I'm both happy and sad for you.Godspeed with the kids/situation
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 09, 2019, 10:45:23 PM
And I will miss going to the games.
Well the SOC Thread has been a staple going back during saturdays in the season.Really starts cranking in Oct and can get quite lively
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 10, 2019, 10:26:16 AM
I hope it wasn't the Chad Henne song at the breakfast table that finally did you in.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 10, 2019, 02:20:46 PM
Tate Martell enters the NCAA transfer portal. Day probably told him flat out you’re going to be the 3rd guy in spring ball behind Baldwin and Fields imo.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 10, 2019, 02:27:40 PM
Tate Martell enters the NCAA transfer portal. Day probably told him flat out you’re going to be the 3rd guy in spring ball behind Baldwin and Fields imo.
I don't know that he would say that.  If tate leaves and Fields isn't eligible, OSU will have a real thin time at quarterback.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on January 10, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
The Transfer Portal is my new favorite dumb phrase that the NCAA has bestowed upon us
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 10, 2019, 03:14:45 PM
Tate Martell enters the NCAA transfer portal. Day probably told him flat out you’re going to be the 3rd guy in spring ball behind Baldwin and Fields imo.
Why would a coach basically tell a former top-60 recruit to just eff off? He's not a salty fan. He's a guy who wants to have access to lots of talented QBs.
In what world would this happen unless the kid was just a massive cancer? 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on January 10, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
Why would a coach basically tell a former top-60 recruit to just eff off? He's not a salty fan. He's a guy who wants to have access to lots of talented QBs.
In what world would this happen unless the kid was just a massive cancer?
Not sure Day would have said outright, kid-you will be third string at best.  Who knows, but he is not the type of QB I would see in Day's offensive scheme.  He did not impress last year with is arm in the Spring Game, and never really had a chance for playing time behind Haskins, which I found odd in a few of the blow games.  The mythical Red Zone scheme never was developed like Urban claimed and he has to get on the field this year, not much college time left for the kid.  The surprising thing was all the smack talk he was doing prior to Fields announcing, talking about he looks forward to competition and such-then tucks tail.  Just because he is entered, does not mean he is leaving, guess we have to wait and see if Day pulls his scholarship/Aide.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on January 10, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Not sure Day would have said outright, kid-you will be third string at best.  Who knows, but he is not the type of QB I would see in Day's offensive scheme.  He did not impress last year with is arm in the Spring Game, and never really had a chance for playing time behind Haskins, which I found odd in a few of the blow games.  The mythical Red Zone scheme never was developed like Urban claimed and he has to get on the field this year, not much college time left for the kid.  The surprising thing was all the smack talk he was doing prior to Fields announcing, talking about he looks forward to competition and such-then tucks tail.  Just because he is entered, does not mean he is leaving, guess we have to wait and see if Day pulls his scholarship/Aide.
Three things
1. He played a good bit in those three early blowouts. His numbers were a bit better than Joe Burrow that one year. 
2. 90 percent of all "special run packages" are damn lies meant to slightly quiet fan complaints and maybe parent complaints. 
3. He won't pull the scholarship because the only value of that is being petty. If that was a risk, he'd tell the kid before all the paperwork got processed. Granted, Day has literally no upside in sending the kid packing unless they're short an early enrollee spot, just want him gone or said, "you're in or you're out." If the kid stays and tries to fight for the job and wins, it's a bonus, if not, he's gone anyway, and if he's a pain the ass, also gone. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on January 12, 2019, 09:39:26 PM
Breaking down the jersey before 1934:

In the pre-Eckstrom era, 1890-98, they initially wore the baseball uniforms but switched after a few seasons to horizontally striped scarlet and grey rugby sweaters. The "grey stripe" on the sleeve was born. They burned through a lot of coaches with Fred Ryder being the most prominent one, coaching from 1892-95, as well as 1898. They were a middling program that mustered only one Conference title before the OIAA disbanded. They only played Michigan once, in 1897, and it was a loss. They went only 3-6 against Kenyon, who was their primary rival at the time.

John Eckstrom coached the team from 1899-1901, which was the pinnacle of the pre-Big Ten era. They had an iconic look with Red sweaters that had a block O on the front and long, horizontally striped scarlet and grey sleeves. This is the inspiration for the modern jersey obviously, only with a block letter instead of block numbers. They won two state titles, including an undefeated 1899 campaign, kicked off the annual Michigan series with a tie in 1900, and went 3-0 vs Kenyon, which kicked off a winning streak in that series that is technically still alive to this day.

OAC era: 1902-1912. They rolled through this era with the Eckstrom jerseys, albeit with the caveat that only one player had the block O on the front; presumably the QB or maybe the head captain. The era was somewhat disappointing after the Eckstrom administration. They went undefeated against Kenyon, but went winless against Michigan with the lone tie in 1910. They did manage to muster a pair of OAC titles in 1906 and 1912.

Dr John Wilce era: 1913-1928. The Buckeyes joined the Big Ten in 1913, and Wilce guided the buckeyes from then until 1928. The Eckstrom jersey was replaced with the "Chic Harley" look that had leather helmets and a Scarlet sweater with vertical Grey stripes across the front. The grey striping was removed from the sleeves entirely. They stuck with that look the entire time that Wilce was the coach, with zero modifications whatsoever. A lot of innovations in that era obviously. Big Ten, Ohio Stadium, the first two all Americans, the Illibuck Trophy, Senior Tackle, and so forth. The Michigan series was suspended from 13-17, but Wilce collected wins over them in 19, 20, 21, and 28. Big Ten Titles in 16, 17 and 20.

The era between Wilce and Schmidt: 1929 to 1933. They reverted back to the old Eckstrom look for the jerseys, initially with numbered jerseys in 1929, but with the numbers removed for the duration of that era. Sam Williman was the coach, and he did not fare well. Script Ohio became a thing in 1932, so there's that. He did manage to muster a pair of Michigan wins in 29 and 31. The striping on the sleeve was dialed back from being a sleeve made entirely out of grey stripes to one that had just a small band of stripes above the elbow, more like the modern look.


Okay, upon further inspection the jerseys were numbered during the Wilce era, just not on the front which was the only part visible on the team photos that I was examining. 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dts0OGcU4AABwHB.jpg)
So they had numbers at least as long as they have been members of the Big Ten. I suppose that also opens up the possibility that the back of the jerseys were numbered before that as well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on January 13, 2019, 11:23:29 AM
Damn,that last picture - in the 'Shoe,goes back a stretch
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 14, 2019, 07:58:30 PM
Sounds like Kendall Sheffield leaving for the NFL
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on January 14, 2019, 08:03:13 PM
So, My Buckeye Season tickets appears to be in jeopardy (Season Ticket holder '93- '18.) The Mrs. Typhon moved out over the weekend. Now this stay at home dad of 2, needs to figure out his finances, and it looks like sporting event tickets have peculated to the top of my chopping block.
Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on January 18, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
RB Brian Snead leaving the program
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on January 22, 2019, 09:00:58 AM
RB Brian Snead leaving the program
Forgot all about him. Sounds like he was suspended for rules violation, and never reinstated. It's perplexing, how something can be so big the kids gets suspended for 10 games (indefinite,) but so small that it's not documented anywhere (police report, University investigation, grades, etc.)?!?
In the Eleven Warriors comments, posters speculate that it was a minor infraction (Late to a meeting, not trying in practice, etc.) And he was required to complete some tasks to get reinstated and he just never did it. Again, just speculation, but only option that makes sense to me. There was also a tweet from an OSU Student saying Snead got what he deserved for shooting his friends with a paintball gun. But, I don't see that being a 10 game suspension with out there being something documented somewhere. 
Without knowing those details, the best I can muster is to wish the young man good luck, and NEXT MAN UP!
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on January 23, 2019, 01:32:48 PM
RB Brian Snead leaving the program
NOt a big loss in the RB room, that position is very deep, and talented.  I am looking forward to watching Master Teague run the ball this Fall.  It will be nice to see Dobbins as the full number one back, not having to split time with Weber,  I was just never able to get into Weber running the ball.  I know he had some solid games, but just like the split duties hampered both guys, and thought Dobbins was the better back overall.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on January 23, 2019, 02:02:25 PM
NOt a big loss in the RB room, that position is very deep, and talented.  I am looking forward to watching Master Teague run the ball this Fall.  It will be nice to see Dobbins as the full number one back, not having to split time with Weber,  I was just never able to get into Weber running the ball.  I know he had some solid games, but just like the split duties hampered both guys, and thought Dobbins was the better back overall.
have a feeling you might be singing a different tune this season. Weber was a tough SOB who ran hard and played through lotta injuries and still produced. He really softened up defenses for Dobbins. I don't think Dobbins is a full-time RB. He's better as a change of pace in a rotation imo. Not a knock on him, he's a spectacular player, but you need that guy who is going to get the tough yards and move the chains and keep drives alive. That's not Dobbins. That was Weber.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 07, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Greg Schiano lands in N.E. as D.C. for B.B.,glad he got a decent gig IMO unfairly got his name dragged thru the mud
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 08, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
Justin Fields is eligible
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 08, 2019, 05:22:09 PM
They might as well just completely get rid of the sitting out rule
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 08, 2019, 06:08:37 PM
I think the surprise isn't the decision but the speed. Maybe I'm too close to Michigan and have missed a key comparison, but I figured Shea's case was more of a slam dunk, and that took forever.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 08, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
They might as well just completely get rid of the sitting out rule
yeah no shit. NCAA is a joke. Might as well just get rid of the entire damn NCAA if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 08, 2019, 09:31:54 PM
Greg Schiano lands in N.E. as D.C. for B.B.,glad he got a decent gig IMO unfairly got his name dragged thru the mud
must be nice to fail upwards. B.B. is always the real DC in NE anyways. He'll just be Bill's latest errand boy.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 09, 2019, 07:57:07 AM
I think the surprise isn't the decision but the speed. Maybe I'm too close to Michigan and have missed a key comparison, but I figured Shea's case was more of a slam dunk, and that took forever.
Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that?  It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit.  I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat.  Georgia wisely declined.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 09:06:52 AM
Fields is a good young man and excellent athlete, he should do well at OSU.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 09:18:04 AM
You have to have some kind of over arching organization like the NCAA, whatever you call it it would be the same thing.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2019, 09:45:49 AM
Fields is a good young man and excellent athlete, he should do well at OSU.
I'm guessing Fields will have more success at OSU than Tua will have with the Sooners
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
Any pretty good QB is going to look good at OU, perhaps better than he would at OSU because of how they play offense.  OSU is likely to run a more balanced offense into tougher defenses in the main.  

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2019, 10:11:36 AM
I'm not sure Tua has the arm talent/accuracy required to flourish in the Sooner's offense

we shall soon see
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 10:12:37 AM
I'm not sure Tua has the arm talent/accuracy required to flourish in the Sooner's offense

we shall soon see
Hurts?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 10:14:33 AM
Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that?  It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit.  I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat.  Georgia wisely declined.
Ole Miss fought part of it becuase some of what Patterson said would hurt their NCAA case if not addressed. 
Georgia is doing a thing I learned in college about the value of making something go away. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2019, 10:44:50 AM
Hurts?
sorry, yes, Hurts
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2019, 10:45:11 AM
I think you leave it as just enough of a barrier. Kind of like a four-foot decorative wall. It won’t deter anyone who REALLY wants to go over, but to a degree slows things.
let's not start the political talk here
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 11:10:56 AM
Didn't Ole Miss try to fight that?  It's hard to figure out how the NCAA works on these things, but from what I can tell Georgia didn't fight it, which probably sped things up quite a bit.  I'm spitballing here but I imagine his lawyer had plenty of other instances of racism by supposed Georgia fans ready to go in case someone wanted to make a public spat.  Georgia wisely declined.
I figured two things, that (1) Georgia would fight it rather than eat the label that they are an unsafe space for minority athletes and (2) that Fields would have to prove his case and that this would be difficult given that (2a) he never saw or met the guy who yelled the epithet at the game and (2b) he is happy for his sister to stay in Athens and apparently she feels safe there too.
Not that those things should/would change the decision, but - especially the second - I expected them to be hard to speed through. As for the first, I'm guess UGa preferred for this to leave the news cycle to fighting the label. May have been smart, though I do wonder if/how other coaches may use it against them in recruiting.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 11:18:15 AM
I figured two things, that (1) Georgia would fight it rather than eat the label that they are an unsafe space for minority athletes and (2) that Fields would have to prove his case and that this would be difficult given that (2a) he never saw or met the guy who yelled the epithet at the game and (2b) he is happy for his sister to stay in Athens and apparently she feels safe there too.
Not that those things should/would change the decision, but - especially the second - I expected them to be hard to speed through. As for the first, I'm guess UGa preferred for this to leave the news cycle to fighting the label. May have been smart, though I do wonder if/how other coaches may use it against them in recruiting.
The first is a non-issue because everyone knows what it’s really about. Georgia knows it doesn’t actually matter, but the stink they might make would. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
let's not start the political talk here
Gah, didn’t mean to. The metaphor was borrowed from such a discussion with friends, but had no interest in going over it here. 
All I say is this, having to appeal makes transferring some work. Transferring is already work. So it ensures you have a higher barrier to do it, and most folks tend to be content with things. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
You have to have some kind of over arching organization like the NCAA, whatever you call it it would be the same thing.  
I don't think anyone is arguing for no organization (or, for that matter, to keep this organization but call it something else). The common argument is for a major restructuring of issues like enforcement and, perhaps inevitably, an end to amateurism.
And though there was always reason to doubt this could ever be coordinated by so many separate interests, and even though amateurism was among the most controversial agendas in play, that seems to be the one most likely to break the old institution and force a new one. All the recent anti-trust lawsuits are famous enough (and mentioned enough here) that I don't have to repeat them. But another new threat to the NCAA is state legislation (https://theathletic.com/800397/2019/02/04/thompson-new-law-seeks-to-allow-california-collegiate-athletes-to-get-paid-for-use-of-their-name-image-and-likeness/):
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Skinner, who represents the 9th Senate District, which encompasses the East Bay, will announce plans Tuesday to introduce a new bill that is called the Fair Pay to Play Act. It is designed to allow student-athletes at California colleges to be paid directly for the use of their name, image and likeness. It also would make it illegal for schools or any organization to restrict these rights or punish athletes for exercising them. …
The Fair Pay to Play Act is hoping to spark a movement that forces the hand of the NCAA, a private entity not bound by state laws. The athletes could still be ruled ineligible by the governing body of college sports. But the law seeks to create a standoff between California colleges and their athletes and the NCAA, presuming the NCAA would eventually have to acquiesce instead of, in essence, banning its California schools.
I don't know whether it'll happen this way or another, but if Vegas starts offering bets on whether amateurism will last another two decades in toto, go ahead and bet your house against it.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 11:30:15 AM
The first is a non-issue because everyone knows what it’s really about. Georgia knows it doesn’t actually matter, but the stink they might make would.
I was saying the same. It was the second issue that offered intrigue, but maybe the NCAA uncritically overlooked those kinds of details.

Although I would correct that UGa is *calculating* that it doesn't matter (rather than "knowing" it) and in this UGa is probably but not certainly correct. Because now they are probably the only P5 university to be labeled in NCAA documents to be an unsafe for minority athletes as recently as 2019. Maybe rival recruiters won't try to capitalize on that, or will try to no avail, but neither is guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 09, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
I was saying the same. It was the second issue that offered intrigue, but maybe the NCAA uncritically overlooked those kinds of details.

Although I would correct that UGa is *calculating* that it doesn't matter (rather than "knowing" it) and in this UGa is probably but not certainly correct. Because now they are probably the only P5 university to be labeled in NCAA documents to be an unsafe for minority athletes as recently as 2019. Maybe rival recruiters won't try to capitalize on that, or will try to no avail, but neither is guaranteed.
Of the two options, trying to publicly argue that black players shouldn't care about being called the n word is likely worse for recruiting efforts.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
Of the two options, trying to publicly argue that black players shouldn't care about being called the n word is likely worse for recruiting efforts.
"Shouldn't care" is no one's argument. The argument was whether being called that by someone he never saw made him *feel unsafe* and whether going to OSU is a realistic solution. But UGa didn't go there. Which will help bury the story. But now UGa is documented as negatively unique when, sadly, we should probably assume the odds that the same thing will happen by at least one fan one day at Ohio Stadium is 1.0.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 12:43:00 PM
This has not seemed to hurt minority recruiting for the Dawgs, and won't.  The "incident" was a one off, the offender was punished, and he was actually calling for Fields to play, not sit.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
This has not seemed to hurt minority recruiting for the Dawgs, and won't.  The "incident" was a one off, the offender was punished, and he was actually calling for Fields to play, not sit.


I wasn't arguing it will, just specifying we can't guarantee it won't. 

I favor your suspicion, but I (1) also notice that the opposite isn't strictly impossible and (2) am acknowledging that the 2020 class is their first ever while contending with it. So we don't have any evidence either way. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 09, 2019, 12:59:48 PM
"Shouldn't care" is no one's argument. The argument was whether being called that by someone he never saw made him *feel unsafe* and whether going to OSU is a realistic solution. But UGa didn't go there. Which will help bury the story. But now UGa is documented as negatively unique when, sadly, we should probably assume the odds that the same thing will happen by at least one fan one day at Ohio Stadium is 1.0.
But it would be their argument, which is why they wisely chose not to argue it.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 09, 2019, 01:05:39 PM
yeah no shit. NCAA is a joke. Might as well just get rid of the entire damn NCAA if you ask me.
That would require the member schools, like yours and mine, to stop being members.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 01:11:45 PM
UGa could have said "While we are barely less horrified because Fields never had an opportunity to see or interact with his accoster, this situation is no less shitty. We are doing everything a university can to diminish hate in our community. Meanwhile, when these are issues of language, it is unrealistic to believe that transferring to any P5 university is a solution with different outcomes."
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 09, 2019, 01:18:54 PM
UGa could have said "While we are less horrified because Fields never had an opportunity to see or interact with his accoster, this situation still sucks. We are doing everything a university can to diminish hate in our community. Meanwhile, whether these are issues of language and/or safety, it is unrealistic to believe that transferring to any P5 university is a solution with different outcomes."

They could try to say whatever they want.  The standard is:
 The transfer is due to documented mitigating circumstances that are outside the student-athlete’s control and directly impact the health, safety and well-being of the student-athlete.

This situation was documented and clearly outside his control.  Therefore, the only argument Georgia would have is to argue that a black player being called the n word publicly during a game could not affect his health, safety, or well-being.  It isn't that they couldn't win, but arguing that is so ugly that it isn't nearly worth the effort (and they probably wouldn't win anyway).
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
I wasn't saying UGa had to fight the NCAA on Fields's eligibility. I was saying they should fight the label with a press release, and that this could have slowed the process.

Just that they could have released an evenhanded statement that supported the verbally accosted while also acknowledging that this is sadly a national problem, implying it can't be fixed at OSU, thus giving the NCAA more to think about than they did.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 01:30:56 PM
I suspect black players who grow up in the south have a pretty good idea about what is racism, and what isn't, and what they might encounter at a school like UGA.

UGA doesn't make a stink about player's transferring, white or black.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
I feel like maybe you aren't paying attention to what I'm writing because your last two comments either misrepresented or were irrelevant to what I've said. For one, I'm setting a micrometer high bar to step over (that it's "not impossible" this will affect UGa to some degree moving forward; perhaps one day with an out-of-region player). I also made clear that UGa should not have made a stink about the eligibility (should not have directly entered the fight with the NCAA), but may have been helped to support all who are verbally accosted, oppose all accosters, but also acknowledge that sadly this is a problem at every P5 university. That, rather than swallow the label as the only one.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
I think UGA did the right thing, stay out of it entirely.

The "label" in the press release is irrelevant to their recruiting for reasons I stated.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
It may end up irrelevant to their recruiting, but we can't know that yet. 2020 is the first class. And the idea that it probably won't affect southern kids is both shy of certain and excludes non-southern kids. Did you mention a different reason?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
Releasing some statement about some label is, to me, irrelevant to perceptions that could persist anyway, and call further attention to whatever.  It's not going to matter, at all.

If some player somehow thinks UGA is uniquely hostile fo black athletes, well, so be it.  Anyone who checks into the actual situation will know better, if they don't, I'd pass on them anyway.

In my opinion, this is a nothing event and will have zero impact on recruiting.  IN a year, nobody will even remember anything about it unless the two teams play in the  post season, and even then it won't be bad for UGA.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 09, 2019, 03:56:14 PM
They might as well just completely get rid of the sitting out rule
If I recall you said Same thing When the Shea Patterson case was ruled on. I agreed with you then. I thought that was the biggest joke and anyone who really thinks he didn’t know with his brother and staff is just pissing in the wind.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
In my opinion, this is a nothing event and will have zero impact on recruiting.  IN a year, nobody will even remember anything about it unless the two teams play in the  post season, and even then it won't be bad for UGA.
I am not sure we disagree is spirit. I'm betting  we either use language differently (that's my best bet) or that we have conflicting philosophies about haveable knowledge. If you mean "nothing," "zero," and "nobody" colloquially, then we don't even disagree, if you mean them in a literal/absolute sense, then we do. Either way, we're talking about microns in a game of miles and - colloquially - who cares.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 09, 2019, 04:39:21 PM
If I recall you said Same thing When the Shea Patterson case was ruled on. I agreed with you then. I thought that was the biggest joke and anyone who really thinks he didn’t know with his brother and staff is just pissing in the wind.
If coaches can take new jobs whenever they like, I am all aboard players being allowed to do the same. I would only want it to be regulated, so that players can't get unsolicited contact from other schools, but I guess that's what the portal is so we are already set.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 09, 2019, 05:50:12 PM
There's a difference between what's best for the players and what's best for the fans.  I'm not sure why fans aren't allowed to say something further dillutes their interest in a product.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
It's hard to think a player as talented as Fields should have to sit at one program behind a starter who could well be there two more seasons.  Fromm might be a third rounder but I doubt he departs early, but he's a solid starter in college obviously.  I think Fields has potential first round talent if he gets experience and develops.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 09, 2019, 06:32:16 PM
It's hard to think a player as talented as Fields should have to sit at one program behind a starter who could well be there two more seasons.  Fromm might be a third rounder but I doubt he departs early, but he's a solid starter in college obviously.  I think Fields has potential first round talent if he gets experience and develops.
It does suck that he had no idea Georgia had Jake Fromm on the roster when he signed his letter.  My heart breaks for him.  Similar to how everyone at Ole Miss was getting paid, but the #1 QB recruit in the nation not only didn't get paid, but wasn't even told everyone else was.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 09, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
I think hyped 17 year old kids think they can walk on water and beat out some mediocre white guy (who put another 6'6" top ranked QB on the bench as well).

Fields figured he had more talent than Fromm and only one year less college experience.  It was a poor decision on his part, but the hype got to him I think.  He was one of the top two QBs coming out of HS and the other one started and won an NC.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 09, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
Fortunately life lessons were avoided.  Best to keep thinking you are the greatest.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 09, 2019, 08:34:31 PM
It does suck that he had no idea Georgia had Jake Fromm on the roster when he signed his letter.  My heart breaks for him.  Similar to how everyone at Ole Miss was getting paid, but the #1 QB recruit in the nation not only didn't get paid, but wasn't even told everyone else was.
yeah, except Ole Miss got hit with sanctions, the head coach got fired in disgrace, and Patterson had to plead his case and fight with the NCAA and Ole Miss to get his waiver. Patterson at least had the cover of plausible deniability. No one can prove he was paid anything or knew about it. And all of the scandal had nothing to do with Patterson.
Fields' case is what? Some guy I never met or even seen called me the N word? The guy called him the N word because he reportedly yelled in the stands- "put that (N word) in!". He was screaming for them to play Fields over Fromm. The drunk idiot was kicked off the baseball team immediately and eventually left UGA because of all the backlash he was getting.  Fields' waiver case is weak as fuuuuuh. It's kind of disgusting to me actually. Racism isn't a joke. If he was legitimately being harassed and bullied because of race that's serious. UGA is so bad and unsafe for blacks though- which explains why Fields' little sister goes there now. LOL. This little piss ant hot shot 5* Mr. All-American just used the race card so he could transfer and play right away because he didn't beat out Fromm. Fields walked into Georgia thinking he'd just start day one over a kid who took Georgia to the National Title game, and the minute he didn't win the job he transferred and used racism as a cover for getting his waiver to play right away. It's bullshit.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 09, 2019, 09:18:11 PM
Fortunately life lessons were avoided.  Best to keep thinking you are the greatest.
If he doesn’t learn the lesson to not listen to half the BS most college coaches throw at kids, it wouldn’t stick. 

Is the half-failure he had not in a way it’s own lesson? 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 09, 2019, 09:21:49 PM
I don't actually care if he learns a lesson or not.  I'm not even disagreeing with the "fairness" of not letting him.  I'm just playing devil's advocate, and slightly bitter that as a fan who loved the sport, I can't say that personally this is a development that is making me enjoy it less without fairness to the athletes brought up, as though I am a decision making body.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 10, 2019, 06:29:08 AM
I don't think Fields ever played any race card.  He had nice things to say about UGA and as noted his sister still goes there.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2019, 11:36:51 AM
I don't actually care if he learns a lesson or not.  I'm not even disagreeing with the "fairness" of not letting him.  I'm just playing devil's advocate, and slightly bitter that as a fan who loved the sport, I can't say that personally this is a development that is making me enjoy it less without fairness to the athletes brought up, as though I am a decision making body.
That's just miscommunication. Fairness to the athletes wouldn't come up if the people you were communicating with understood that you were talking about your interests to the exclusion of the coaches' and kids'. Fairness to the athletes doesn't come up because fan enjoyment doesn't matter. It comes up as a feeler because fairness to the athletes is relevant and you maybe didn't specify a position on it. 
It's rare to escape miscommunication on polarized topics, and avoiding it succinctly is an art that almost no one demonstrates. So while it's also annoying to lay down every thought in a discussion like this by specifying whether you're exclusively talking about yourself, one group or in general ... that's the rub.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 03:02:40 PM
When athletes or coaches give their thoughts, I'm assuming they are speaking to their own self interests, as am I.  And if enough people stop caring about the second tier of American football because of a disinterest in watching a totally new router each year, or watching smaller programs development guys just to see them jump, then maybe players and coaches realize that the self interested viewpoints of fans actually matters quite a bit.  When/if the gravy train stops, maybe they'll care.  If it's just me who stops caring (and it's become increasingly closer each year for the past 5-6 years) then they probably won't.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2019, 05:05:45 PM
I think its harder than that in this particular topic because it's starting to take on a moralistic bend. So we can't assume that fans or coaches are only discussing their personal interests, because many times their general opinion is inseparable from what they think the kids deserve. Obviously anyone can talk about their lens without coupling it to the kids' lens, but if the part about "these are just my interests" isn't made explicit, the annoyance and confusion is kind of inevitable.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 05:55:47 PM
I don't see any morality issues.  As with any sport, the rules, both on and off the field are made to balance the competitive fairness with player treatment fairness.  Nobody is stopping Justin Fields from leaving Georgia.  The rule simply states that for the benefit of competition, and the health of the sport as a whole, if he does, he has to sit out a year.  I think the player compensation issue needs to be fixed, but the problem is the schools are hell bent on not fixing that, and trying to change a million other things, that hurt the sport, in the name of player treatment, to avoid paying them.  Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it.  I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year.  That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they.  Not do I think them not caring about individual fans is some sort of morality issue.  But I think you can have rules, for the benefit of competition, that might inconvenience kids who made dumb decisions, and don't want to be held accountable for them.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we should get rid of lots of penalties.  Seems unfair to have offsides.  Who are we to tell kids, who we dont pay, that there are certain places on the field they can't stand . Feels immoral.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 10, 2019, 06:48:11 PM
I don't see any morality issues.  As with any sport, the rules, both on and off the field are made to balance the competitive fairness with player treatment fairness.  Nobody is stopping Justin Fields from leaving Georgia.  The rule simply states that for the benefit of competition, and the health of the sport as a whole, if he does, he has to sit out a year.  I think the player compensation issue needs to be fixed, but the problem is the schools are hell bent on not fixing that, and trying to change a million other things, that hurt the sport, in the name of player treatment, to avoid paying them.  Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it.  I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year.  That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they.  Not do I think them not caring about individual fans is some sort of morality issue.  But I think you can have rules, for the benefit of competition, that might inconvenience kids who made dumb decisions, and don't want to be held accountable for them.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we should get rid of lots of penalties.  Seems unfair to have offsides.  Who are we to tell kids, who we dont pay, that there are certain places on the field they can't stand . Feels immoral.
I find myself torn reading this. 
It’s not my role to interrogate why you feel this way. I would find it interesting, why players moving more potentially makes the sport less appealing. I have guesses, but as you said, it’s hard to delve into that without it becoming a thing. (Also without delving into the question of if the game is changing or if we’re changing)
Anyway, it opens up a larger question as to why do we like the sports we do. College sports draws me more than the pros, even though the pros are better played and college sports are terrifically anti-competitive. Maybe there’s certain parts of the story of it we like. Maybe it’s just that I’m comfortable with certain parts of the way my team plays. Maybe it’s becuase the scale is a little smaller, so everything is heightened. 
Anyway, if Fields finds why he’s looking for, good for him. And if not, maybe OSU being down a few ticks makes the conference more interesting. Also if OSU could do whatever to help Potter’s waiver, that’d be peachy. 
(I feel like some of the smaller sports have somewhat more flexibility historically, but can’t for the life of me find the info to back that)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 10, 2019, 07:15:31 PM
I don't see any morality issues.  As with any sport, the rules, both on and off the field are made to balance the competitive fairness with player treatment fairness.  Nobody is stopping Justin Fields from leaving Georgia.  The rule simply states that for the benefit of competition, and the health of the sport as a whole, if he does, he has to sit out a year.  I think the player compensation issue needs to be fixed, but the problem is the schools are hell bent on not fixing that, and trying to change a million other things, that hurt the sport, in the name of player treatment, to avoid paying them.  Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it.  I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year.  That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they.  Not do I think them not caring about individual fans is some sort of morality issue.  But I think you can have rules, for the benefit of competition, that might inconvenience kids who made dumb decisions, and don't want to be held accountable for them.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe we should get rid of lots of penalties.  Seems unfair to have offsides.  Who are we to tell kids, who we dont pay, that there are certain places on the field they can't stand . Feels immoral.
Re: morality issues, I was talking about the larger conversation, beyond this one, including player compensation. This one may seem unattached to player compensation**, but at the rate that story (the drama around amateurism ending) is growing, it consumes our general mentality when it comes to how player, coach, and fan interests compete.

** (they both have to do with power/freedom asymmetries in the sport and then that's it)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 07:36:09 PM
I find roster building and roster continuity a large part of the appeal.  I understand that much of fanhood is built on false tribalism, and a part of that is why I've always preferred college, at least I was rooting for guys who chose the same tribe I did, for the time allowed.  As manufactured as it is, it was why I preferred the lesser version of football, along with other reasons that have been stripped away as well, but I struggle with simply rooting for a uniform.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 10, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
I find roster building and roster continuity a large part of the appeal.  I understand that much of fanhood is built on false tribalism, and a part of that is why I've always preferred college, at least I was rooting for guys who chose the same tribe I did, for the time allowed.  As manufactured as it is, it was why I preferred the lesser version of football, along with other reasons that have been stripped away as well, but I struggle with simply rooting for a uniform.
I agree with this. Watching guys come, develop, and leave is a major part of the appeal. If you ever watched the movie version of Friday Night Lights, setting Billy Bob replacing the names of the graduating seniors perfectly encapsulates the appeal.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on February 10, 2019, 08:07:58 PM
.  Like I said, maybe I'm on an island, but I went from planning Saturdays around college football, to having a moderate interest . I missed whole chunks this past year, and not for a conflict, just because I didn't feel like it.  I didn't watch a single snap of multiple MSU games this year.  That's my prerogative, and if nobody else cares, nor will they.  
Are you sure that's not just age? I find priorities changing quite a bit as I move farther and farther from my college days... 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 10, 2019, 11:20:17 PM
Are you sure that's not just age? I find priorities changing quite a bit as I move farther and farther from my college days...
That's certainly why I am able/willing to plan my life around sports, but even when the opportunity is in front of me, I far more often decline it than I ever used.  I watched a movie instead of watching MSUs season opener this year.  When I do watch sports, I've found myself watching professional more.  The things I used to prefer about college, that made me opt to watch a lesser product are disappearing, so why would I watch it?  I'm struggling to answer that.  They more and more look the same, so I'd prefer to watch the top level 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2019, 08:59:12 AM
I see OSU ranked around 5 in most of the "too early" polls, which should be fine.  We won't likely have 3 undefeated teams next season.  Obviously, a lot hinges on how Fields gets into the System and understands the offense and runs it showing his talent.  Mainly they need to avoid that Purdue kind of a game.

Michigan is also getting top ten attention.  I'm not sold on them, nor Auburn, they strike me as similar in a way.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on February 11, 2019, 10:23:24 AM
I see OSU ranked around 5 in most of the "too early" polls, which should be fine.  We won't likely have 3 undefeated teams next season.  Obviously, a lot hinges on how Fields gets into the System and understands the offense and runs it showing his talent.  Mainly they need to avoid that Purdue kind of a game.

Michigan is also getting top ten attention.  I'm not sold on them, nor Auburn, they strike me as similar in a way.
 I thought this was a downplay Auburn year 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Auburn appears to be a second ten team for 2019 preseason.  I've questioned their top ten ranking for about 5 years now, they seem to be getting down graded finally.

They were decent in 2017 anyway.  I don't like the coach nor the personnel, and they seem to get ranked too high only to get exposed, much like Michigan, who I don't trust to be really good either.

Anyway, Ohio State should be in the FF if they go 12-1 and win the CG.  Everyone will be including Bama and Clemson (again).  Team Four would be Oklahoma by the rankings, though Texas is getting a LOT of press too.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 11, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
OSU's season (and future) relies less on any player like Fields than on whether Day is Urban/Tressel-level, negligibly different, or noticeably different.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2019, 07:14:41 PM
The load of tallent tOSU has lost on the D-Line the last two seasons,almost all playing on Sunday's is sick.Urbz misplayed a good chance in 2017 by sticking with JTB,specially when he showed in the Bowl he simply couldn't go over the top when Haskins and Burrow were available.Unless everyone else emptied the cupboard I'd be shocked if the Bucks win the east let alone the conference 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2019, 08:24:56 AM
The top level teams all lose a ton of talent every year.  They also restock, or they are flash in the pan teams.

The loss of an HC can be a significant factor obviously even for talented teams, but that happens rarely for obvious reasons.  OSU will be the most talented team by far in most of the games they play, and more talented in all but one, arguably.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2019, 01:01:13 PM
losing a head coach at a helmet like OSU can take 3 or 4 years to really change win totals drastically
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on February 12, 2019, 01:26:17 PM
losing a head coach at a helmet like OSU can take 3 or 4 years to really change win totals drastically
losing a head coach like Meyer can't be understated. If you ask me he's right there with Saban as the greatest ever. They really are neck and neck. Saban has 5 championships to Meyer's 3. But Meyer has won big everywhere he's been. Saban not so much.
Last but not least, how good this Justin Fields really is remains to be seen. He couldn't beat out Jake Fromm. Not really sold on Jake Fromm. And as far as Fields goes, usually kids with his character and attitude tend to flame out. One thing I do know though? Dwayne Haskins will be the first QB picked in the upcoming NFL draft and is the best QB the B1G has seen in a long, long time. Kid shattered every B1G passing record in his first season as a starter. Fields has a hell of a lot to live up to.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
I don't know what is meant by Fields' "character and attitude".  I thought both were fine during his time at UGA.

As for not beating out Fromm, I'd note Fromm also beat out another 5 star highly heralded recruit who was a year ahead of him (Eason) so he must be doing something right.  Leading his team to a conference title and NC game overtime as a true freshman is also fairly unusual.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on February 12, 2019, 02:11:03 PM
I don't have a reason to not be fine with Fields as a person. I'm also fine with the decision for immediate eligibility. I just found it hard to believe the decision came this fast. I figured it'd take until late April.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on February 12, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Fields of course had nothing to do with how fast it took.  I've listened to him talk obviously, and read much of what he has had to say.  I don't see anything bad about him in terms of being a good teammate etc.

He's very talented.  He has experience at the college level.  He learned one playbook, he'll learn another.  He has a good idea what is needed.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 16, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NFZLhX5bd4
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 16, 2019, 01:39:33 PM
I don't have a reason to not be fine with Fields as a person. I'm also fine with the decision for immediate eligibility. I just found it hard to believe the decision came this fast. I figured it'd take until late April.
NCAA is going down a rabbit hole of revision.Gonna be hard to turn anybody down when they've given out so many waivers.Of course this comes at the right time for tOSU - so I'm good with it :cheer:
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 16, 2019, 09:10:31 PM
That vid I posted btw is long, but well worth the watch. Cardale really lays it all out, and goes into great detail on how they managed to blow the 2015 season. 

There's some language though, so not suitable at the breakfast table with daughters present. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on February 25, 2019, 05:02:30 PM
Rutgers OL Jonah Jackson transferring to OSU for his final year.  Could be an immediate starter.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on February 25, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
That vid I posted btw is long, but well worth the watch. Cardale really lays it all out, and goes into great detail
I did that was great 12 gauge is pretty sharp and insightful.He didn't care what they did one way or the other just didn't like the double tongue.Kind of came across as he wasn't that fond of Urbz,while he's successful neither was I
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on February 26, 2019, 04:29:22 PM
Rutgers OL Jonah Jackson transferring to OSU for his final year.  Could be an immediate starter.
Glossed over this the first time, surprised it's not getting more pub.  I guess because he's an OL?  He was the best OL on the transfer market.  I think he's a lock to start.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 10, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/a4/35/e2a435deedd88c9e59b607b72079a8ac.jpg)

First undefeated season. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 10:59:32 AM
So, how will Fields do in his first year?

1.  Outsnandingly, OSU wins the B1G and is 13-0.  He gets some Heisman notice.
2.  More than adequately, he does quite well and makes some miscues, OSU finishes 12-1 and makes the playoff.
3.  He is only "OK" (or gets injured) and the Bucks go 9-3.
4.  He doesn't start beyond a couple of games and is not good at all, prone to errors.
5.  He never sees the field past garbage time.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 11, 2019, 11:03:44 AM
I mean 4 and 5 are out, they have no other option.  I'll say #2
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 11, 2019, 11:47:33 AM
Beat me to it ELA,gonna be a long season if Fields gets hurt.And maybe even if he doesn't
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 12:28:35 PM
They may need to chill his tendency to run.  He broke a finger in HS and was out.  He was 220 pounds in HS and could run over people.

He still has that proclivity a bit.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 11, 2019, 01:36:23 PM
I mean 4 and 5 are out, they have no other option.  I'll say #2
Nobody knows anything about Baldwin, so who knows, he may be unsung hero!  He was recruited by Day, supposedly has an arm, and has time to set in, and won't be forced to learn a completely new offense with Meyer's departure.  I hope he pans out, but don't want to see a split QB rotation by any means.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 11, 2019, 01:37:46 PM
I see that Urban Meyer is joining the FOX Sports Saturday Morning Pregame show...........Sounds very very familiar.  Is he on the road to USC already?    Something makes me think so!   
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on March 11, 2019, 05:38:56 PM
I guess we'll see.  I' always a Debbie Downer but it feels like the Bucks are overthinking this.  Fields is a big time athlete who can throw.  They are talking about going under center, this and that but it seems like Fields would be great in that Cardale Jones like offense from 2015, where he can make hard fakes and run or pass downfield.  It would be unusual if Fields can be as accurate as Haskins was, so a lot of the YAC yardage seems destined to drop.  If he doesn't run much, then what is he?  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 11, 2019, 06:13:56 PM
He can pass quite well, I think.  He ran a lot in HS as I noted because he often was the biggest kid on the field outside maybe the lines.  He wasn't in passing situations much his freshman year for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
I see that Urban Meyer is joining the FOX Sports Saturday Morning Pregame show...........Sounds very very familiar.  Is he on the road to USC already?    Something makes me think so!    
I'm pretty confident in thinking that USC held on to Helton only because they thought Meyer would be available at some point after the coming season. They certainly have the money to pay him.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
USC will allow him to bring whatever POS assistants he would like
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 12, 2019, 07:09:13 PM



USC will allow him to bring whatever POS assistants he would like


True perhaps, but there's no need to drag Tom Herman into this.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 12, 2019, 11:11:23 PM
I'm pretty confident in thinking that USC held on to Helton only because they thought Meyer would be available at some point after the coming season. They certainly have the money to pay him.
Would not surprise me one bit to see him land there or in South Bend.  I think the Left Coast would be fitting, and it would give him an easy road to line with Trophies.  Unlike many, I am not one to think he was finished coaching.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2019, 07:13:41 AM

Doesn't really strike me as a "left coast" sorta guy. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on March 13, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
nope, but that's probably exactly what the Trojans need to dominate
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Makes good sense from a purely football stand point, but c'mon. A rock star coach with a Conservative viewpoint who already has the fembots up his arse coaching at a place where sports routinely take a backseat to left wing politics? The man would have to be a glutton for punishment, which would also be out of character. 

Now I don't think that the TV gig will last either. Dude probably hasn't flown coach in over a decade. Can't really see him slogging through all the delays, overbooking and cancellations just to sit next to some schmuck that wants to talk Buckeye FB the entire flight.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 13, 2019, 09:12:48 PM
Nobody knows anything about Baldwin, so who knows, he may be unsung hero!  He was recruited by Day, supposedly has an arm, and has time to set in, and won't be forced to learn a completely new offense with Meyer's departure.  I hope he pans out, but don't want to see a split QB rotation by any means.
I am best -guessing, based on film and quotes, that Baldwin is being way underestimated here.  Go watch his tape.  Tell me who he throws like?
Also, maybe way off here, but I will be absolutely stunned if Meyer decides to ever coach again.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 13, 2019, 09:18:35 PM

Cardale Jones was also a "bust" until he had one of the greatest runs in CFB history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLCV_znK73E
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 16, 2019, 08:23:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMV-n8YbBg
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2019, 12:51:49 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/friday-five-reigning-college-football-division-champions-least-likely-to-repeat-in-2019-season/

According to this article tOSU not likely to repeat.Can't say as I disagree with him
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2019, 01:00:29 PM
Also, maybe way off here, but I will be absolutely stunned if Meyer decides to ever coach again.  
Kind of agree but if USC or ND came knocking I could see him thinking "I could be the only coach to win an NC at 3 different Schools".I'd take the easy money and head to the booth
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 01:21:20 PM
I personally did not car for Meyer in the booth.  No doubt he has the knowledge, but his delivery was rather toneless.  

Now, Steve Spurrier ....
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 19, 2019, 02:00:41 PM
I thought Mike Riley & Dan Mullen were both good in the Coaches booth for the Ohio St vs Oregon NC game.Mullen calling out what he thought Urbz would do,and Riley calling out what the Ducks would do.Both of them being familiar with their subjects and they were spot on the calls
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 19, 2019, 02:04:04 PM
Kind of agree but if USC or ND came knocking I could see him thinking "I could be the only coach to win an NC at 3 different Schools".I'd take the easy money and head to the booth
ND is very much his kind of jam. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
I saw an early line had Michigan a 6.5 favorite in The Game.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 19, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
I posted the same in the Michigan thread. Michigan is favored in every game this year. I can't tell you how unusual that is in the 21st century. It honestly may be the first time since 2000, though I may be misremembering the offseasons before 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2006. And for Michigan to not only be favored but favored by 6.5 is obviously rarer than rare.
I will say, though, that even though we're amidst an OSU golden period, with the end of the Meyer era, I'm not surprised for Vegas to be maximally uncertain or of a new mind. But that's not the same as expecting the spread to swing this far the other way.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 05:14:17 PM
The Dawgs are favored in every game, and that has been the norm of late (regular season), but of course they don't win every game.

Set the line where it makes money for the house.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 19, 2019, 05:20:10 PM
It is odd that Ttun is favored in every game. They play a lot better as underdogs, at least against ranked teams under Harbaugh
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 19, 2019, 05:49:39 PM
It is weird - in terms of recent history. But though Vegas lines probably aren't predictive of specific W/L records, I suspect that there is a correlation between better/worse seasons when teams get better/worse offseason Vegas lines. And Michigan does have a lot going for it in 2019.
For its two toughest games, OSU and ND, they get both at home. Not only that but (a) ND is 97th in returning production (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2019/03/15/wilton-speight-eager-see-michigan-offense-handcuffs-off/3177295002/) and (b) OSU used to have one of the best 2 or 4 coaches of this century, and that guy just retired. Then there's the M roster which is as well situated as it has been on offense since at least 2011, maybe since 2006. And then the "educated wishfulness" (which isn't unusual for Michigan) about a new OC, paired with year #2 with Warinner -- who clearly worked magic with the OL in his first try and now he gets back 4/5 of the starters (Bredeson, Onwenu, and Ruiz [+Runyan]), which makes the odds reasonable for another Warinner leap in year 2.
(...) This should probably be moved to that thread, though, if it's what you guys want to discuss.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 19, 2019, 06:10:35 PM
Vegas lines are quite good, I think, as predictors, they aren't perfect, except for the House anyway.

Obviously you can be favored in every game and end up 10-2, but you won't be 5-7 with any real statistical chance.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 19, 2019, 06:40:56 PM
Definitely their best shot at winning THE GAME since the Fickel year. Especially with OSU having to battle Penn St the week before, while Michigan gets a nice delicious pastry from the Hoosier state. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 19, 2019, 08:20:17 PM
former Ohio State QB Tate Martell cleared to play immediately. NCAA really should just get rid of the sit a year transfer rule if they are just going to give everybody and their mother a waiver to play early.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 19, 2019, 08:21:17 PM
I mean 4 and 5 are out, they have no other option.  I'll say #2
I could see scenario #3 happening. Fields has loads of raw talent, but he's far from a sure thing.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 19, 2019, 09:49:25 PM
Definitely their best shot at winning THE GAME since the Fickel year. Especially with OSU having to battle Penn St the week before, while Michigan gets a nice delicious pastry from the Hoosier state.
I'm nodding my head yes, though Michigan has gotten about as much trouble from IU as OSU has from Purdue in recent years. Not the same record as v-PU and IU's not the same caliber of opponent these days, but it's similarly spooky in terms of how unexpectedly competitive those games have been.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 21, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
former Ohio State QB Tate Martell cleared to play immediately. NCAA really should just get rid of the sit a year transfer rule if they are just going to give everybody and their mother a waiver to play early.
The start of the college football free agent era.  Teams thought the playing field was uneven before, just wait.  The Have's will continue to thrive and the Have Not's will continue to slip.  The big teams will be able to swoop in and poach kids that were surprises or late bloomers, like Moore from Purdue, and move on without a hitch.  IF the NCAA allows this to continue, they may as well officially get rid of the Amateur Status, open it to what it really is, a D League NFL playground, and let these kids start earning money outside of the college degree moniker they hide behind.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 21, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
There's still a barrier. It doesn't open until a star enters the transfer portal. No doubt mid-level schools are starting to soothe the egos of their top players like never before. Very little changes until the player shops himself around.

As for amateurism, you could argue this kind of increased freedom for athletes isn't just an organic trend or just from public pressure but is something the NCAA is begrudgingly embracing as part of a mounting legal strategy for the landmark cases on the horizon. 

Auto-eligibility on transfers doesn't undo the antitrust claims against the NCAA but it does unfasten one of the bullets their opposition always uses in court when explaining how these athletes are stuck in an unfair machine with extreme power asymmetries.

Don't get me wrong, there's a far better way to reduce those asymmetries. But the NCAA hates that way enough that I could never be surprised if they prostitute themselves on other fixes to avoid giving players their likeness rights.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 21, 2019, 12:35:37 PM
Watched Haskins Pro Day hype, he looked good (of course he would in Columbus) and looked to have dropped weight.  I liked the under center reps he was doing, since we heard all season how he was not an under the center guy during those Red Zone SNAFUS, and his movement seemed to be quicker.  I know there was no real pressure but his throws were crisp and showed his arm strength.  I still think he needs two or three years sitting and learning before throwing him to the lions, but with the money today, that wont happen.  Heard a few talking heads comparing him to Byron Leftwich, found that interesting and hope he does not follow that career path.   Also found it interesting the different takes on Bosa.  I have no issue with him not doing a Pro Day, he should not have conducted a Pro Day at Ohio State, he quit the team and left half way through the season, so to me, he was not part of the team.  Hope he can stay healthy in the NFL.

I heard a comment on Sport Talk about the view point of players, forget who it was, but he referred to players as Stock Options, and it made perfect sense hearing him speak about it that term. Be interesting to see if those comments turn political and get mashed into a whole different take.  The money involved in the game is growing and growing, makes me wonder when the bubble will burst. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on March 21, 2019, 06:54:01 PM
The start of the college football free agent era.  Teams thought the playing field was uneven before, just wait.  The Have's will continue to thrive and the Have Not's will continue to slip.  The big teams will be able to swoop in and poach kids that were surprises or late bloomers, like Moore from Purdue, and move on without a hitch.  IF the NCAA allows this to continue, they may as well officially get rid of the Amateur Status, open it to what it really is, a D League NFL playground, and let these kids start earning money outside of the college degree moniker they hide behind.
I get what you're saying but Rondale Moore ain't leaving. He came to Purdue to play for Brohm, who went to his high school and was a fixture in the Louisville athletic world for a long, long time. 
As long as Jeff Brohm is our coach, Rondale ain't leaving for anything but the NFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 21, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
I saw something briefly about a pro basketball minor league that would pay its players in part with tuition, fees, books, and R&D at any college (nearly).  They get into college and get a free ride for playing BBall.

Could this work in football?  You have a preNFL league, the players attend school and practice nearby in the PM professionally, and get both.  No rules about attending class etc.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 21, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Maybe. But even then we're sidestepping/delaying the problem that some Americans are being stripped of their likeness/naming rights when we can just fix it in one swoop. Creating another league doesn't solve the NCAA's illegalities re: antitrust law.

Plus, now that Congress is on this and the courts have passed landmark hurdles, the losing outcome for the NCAA is practically inevitable in every characteristic except the timeline. Investing in small leagues who only have an edge before the end of NCAA amateurism may be foolish if they can't compete after amateurism ends. Unless that time is decades from now, which I have to admit seems unlikely.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 12:27:27 AM
Ironic it's from the NFL but timely:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1108819810547191809
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on March 22, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
There are plenty of ways forward for the NCAA.  Unfortunately, they all require universities to admit that the huge money being generated should be shared with the athletes instead of making six and seven figure no-work jobs for bureaucrats and trust fund babies.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 09:02:10 AM
We are beginning to venture out into the weeds a little bit here.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2019, 09:38:47 AM
How if the offensive and defensive lines shaping up for OSU?  I usually look first to those areas.  Fields should do fine, or perhaps better than that, if the OL is solid.  I presume there are good RBs aplenty.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on March 22, 2019, 09:54:24 AM
How if the offensive and defensive lines shaping up for OSU?  I usually look first to those areas.  Fields should do fine, or perhaps better than that, if the OL is solid.  I presume there are good RBs aplenty.
OL is a little thin.  There will be some freshmen in the two-deep.  DL is not thin - returned a ton and should look really strong at starter and backup at each position.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 22, 2019, 11:02:56 AM

Quote
Ironic it's from the NFL but timely:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/1108819810547191809
Sorry had this response in the wrong thread,let the NFL pay them because most Universities don't have the coin after paying for all the other sports expenses both men and women.If they had to be paid then most Colleges would have to schuddle athletics or get back to what they are there for in the 1st place.Either the NFL steps up or it needs to be drilled into their minds they are getting paid in form of education.Let Klemko pony up if he thinks it's such a smashing idea.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 11:31:08 AM
Makes good sense from a purely football stand point, but c'mon. A rock star coach with a Conservative viewpoint who already has the fembots up his arse coaching at a place where sports routinely take a backseat to left wing politics? The man would have to be a glutton for punishment, which would also be out of character.
Except you've just described every university he's ever coached at as well. Universities with a rightward bend are significantly fewer and almost always private if not religious. OSU counts as leftward and Meyer liked that just fine.
I think the better glutton for punishment argument is that in the wake of the Zach Smith saga, Urban has a blemish that will be called out anywhere. It was even called out at OSU. And I suspect he thinks people should think purely positively about him and that's no longer guaranteed. He'll face that anywhere now, even ND.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Sorry had this response in the wrong thread,let the NFL pay them because most Universities don't have the coin after paying for all the other sports expenses both men and women.If they had to be paid then most Colleges would have to schuddle athletics or get back to what they are there for in the 1st place.Either the NFL steps up or it needs to be drilled into their minds they are getting paid in form of education.Let Klemko pony up if he thinks it's such a smashing idea.

I think that's a disproven perspective, Nubbz.
Zero realistic plans involve paying every athlete at Michigan a salary. And it's not against Title IX to pay revenue athletes more than nonrevenue athletes. Title IX doesn't oppose capitalism. People can and should be paid their market value. And if the NCAA permits schools to pay their players their market value, that means they'd only have to pay "the team that turn a profit" in proportion to the profit they turn. So only football, MBB, and at some schools also baseball and hockey.
But even that's not the best or most popular plan. We can do this without having the schools fork over a single cent. Just have the NCAA permit the players to independently gather money people want to give them for their name and likeness. EA sports wants your name on a character's jersey? You get paid. Some car dealer wants you in their commercial? Now you can do that ... and get paid.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 11:45:09 AM
Except you've just described every university he's ever coached at as well. Universities with a rightward bend are significantly fewer and almost always private if not religious. OSU counts as leftward and Meyer liked that just fine.
I think the better glutton for punishment argument is that in the wake of the Zach Smith saga, Urban has a blemish that will be called out anywhere. It was even called out at OSU. And I suspect he thinks people should think purely positively about him and that's no longer guaranteed. He'll face that anywhere now, even ND.
While Universities do have a tendency to be left leaning, there is abosuabsoly no comparison between a State school in the SE or Midwest to any school on the Left Coast. OSU would not allow Antifa to set up shop outside of his office, pelting him with bags of their own urine every time he walked by. The Cali schools would not only allow it, but make sure that they are well hydrated while they were doing it. If Urban coaches at USC or any other school on the Left coast.... I'll eat my hat.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
I don't want this to get political because then we lose the conversation. I easily disagree though. No university sets up shop for and hydrates violent criminals. That's pretty easy to acknowledge.
Plus, most Big Ten schools rival the Californians in leftleaningness. Plus-plus: USC (private) is significantly more conservative than Berkeley which you seem to be focusing on.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on March 22, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
WR Blue Smith leaving the program
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 03:41:19 PM
I don't want this to get political because then we lose the conversation. I easily disagree though. No university sets up shop for and hydrates violent criminals. That's pretty easy to acknowledge.
Plus, most Big Ten schools rival the Californians in leftleaningness. Plus-plus: USC (private) is significantly more conservative than Berkeley which you seem to be focusing on.

Agreed that we don't need to hijack this thread with politics or Zach Smithery. Only time will tell which one of us is right, so we could always do another sign bet? I remain undefeated against you in those bad boys. Urban Meyer coaching at USC in 2020, you win. You in?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
I can't take that bet because I don't think he'll ever coach again. So we agree on that part. I only popped in because I don't think political bend is the reason he won't coach again. Which is where we disagree. I think social criticism is the reason he won't coach again.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
WR Blue Smith leaving the program
Was he on scholarship? That's an incredible name I never knew.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
I can't take that bet because I don't think he'll ever coach again. So we agree on that part. I only popped in because I don't think political bend is the reason he won't coach again. Which is where we disagree. I think social criticism is the reason he won't coach again.
Okay if he doesn't coach again then the bet is obviously off. If he does coach in 2020 then I will give you the entire Pacific Time Zone. If the job that he takes is anywhere in betwixt San Diego St and Wazzou then you win the bet, including heavy favorite USC. If it is East of there, then victory is mine. Does that sweeten the deal? Or are ya some sorta Coward?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2019, 05:39:48 PM
I don't think he coaches again anywhere.  He was clearly showing signs of health problems during games.  Why does he need the stress?

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 06:04:36 PM
Okay if he doesn't coach again then the bet is obviously off. If he does coach in 2020 then I will give you the entire Pacific Time Zone. If the job that he takes is anywhere in betwixt San Diego St and Wazzou then you win the bet, including heavy favorite USC. If it is East of there, then victory is mine. Does that sweeten the deal? Or are ya some sorta Coward?
Since both of us doubt he'll ever coach again, further handicaps sort of destroy the bet. Because everyone has ND as the top bet if he returns. And that needn't be because of "avoiding leftyism." So we'd have to exclude ND. At which point we're only evaluating "(if returns) [and] (if not ND) [then] is it a west lefty or an east lefty?" It's a nonsense bet. Neither of us think it's going to happen and, even if he does re-up on coaching, neither option tells us about Meyer's political university requirements or his west coast views, but instead a function of elite job openings that year multiplied by their fraction in each half of the country.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
Since I am fairly confident that BK could withstand a Harbaugh-esque season without getting shit canned, I could probably be persuaded to toss you Notre Dame as well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2019, 06:22:11 PM
The only "bet" that strikes me as close to 50-50 would be whether he coaches CFB P5 again or not.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 06:26:44 PM
The "not" would nullify this particular bet, of course. This is an "IF" he coaches in 2020, then where? sorta thing. 

There is not a single school in the SEC that would even pretend to give a crap about any of the what have yous. They employ a win at all costs mentality. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 06:34:48 PM
Summary:
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 06:58:58 PM
The reason is not particularly relevant to this bet, but it's all good. I accept your unwillingness to enter into it. Since I don't think that pics are allowed in sigs anymore, it would have probably been something lame anyway. I would have wound up having to go with "Androgynous Cowherd" or some such. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2019, 07:00:10 PM
I don't think Urban will coach at Georgia, ever.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 22, 2019, 07:21:15 PM
USC will almost certainly be on the market for a head coach in 2020, and Meyer would be a grand slam hire. 

AC doesn't think that he will be offered the job, and I don't think he'd be inclined to accept it if he was. So we aren't exactly at opposing ends of the spectrum, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 22, 2019, 07:29:34 PM
UNC would be a good job, for someone, low expectations, decent recruiting possibilities.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on March 22, 2019, 07:32:26 PM
UNC would be a good job, for someone, low expectations, decent recruiting possibilities.
Doesn't UNC already have a new coach?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 22, 2019, 08:44:21 PM
USC will almost certainly be on the market for a head coach in 2020, and Meyer would be a grand slam hire.

AC doesn't think that he will be offered the job, and I don't think he'd be inclined to accept it if he was. So we aren't exactly at opposing ends of the spectrum, I suppose.
I'm not sure he'll be offered (or sent a feeler). I just doubt he'll accept. I think he's done forever.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 23, 2019, 07:01:18 AM
Doesn't UNC already have a new coach?
Yup, but he is thought to be a short timer just to get the program back on its feet.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on March 24, 2019, 07:40:07 AM
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Football-DWan-Mathis-respect-from-teammates-130423428/?fbclid=IwAR1CHBo-lnVyAr2htJ_6_D67HFVZPiJoBnv0MD8xyjB52J92jeRAACIXbdU

A bit of irony that UGA and OSU basically swapped QBs.  This just says Mathis is doing fine and has skills, no need to read, it's the usual puffery about how players look in spring practice.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Roaddawg on March 26, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
USC will almost certainly be on the market for a head coach in 2020, and Meyer would be a grand slam hire.

AC doesn't think that he will be offered the job, and I don't think he'd be inclined to accept it if he was. So we aren't exactly at opposing ends of the spectrum, I suppose.
Accepting the USC job would have nothing to do with political feelings, it would it center around FOOTBALL and nothing more.  When the job opens in 2020, Urban will be asked, rather public or not, he will be asked.  I would not be surprised to see him go West, especially to USC.  The tradition, history and recruiting platform he would have would be as strong as if not stronger than any place he has coached.  USC is a private school, the only politics he would be doing are the same old same he has done every place he has coached.  IF USC has any sort of skeleton assembled that looks like an Urban Offense, it would not surprise me at all to see him go West.  I don't think he will take a program, regardless the Helmet Name, that needs a total rebuild.  Think about it-he walked into Ohio State with a solid blue print of the "Urban Meyer Offense" from Tressel, and a  Defensive program mindset as an added bonus.  It made his choice easy.  I think Notre Dame is the only other school that would lure him back.  While UGA, LSU, Alabama etc. are all solid Helmets, he has already made his mark in the SEC.  The PAC 12 would give another football milestone to claim success.  Saban has won, but only in the SEC, Urban has won everywhere he has went-MAC, MWC, SEC, B10 and now the PAC12 would be added.  I have no doubts he would win a title within three years, and retire again within five years-for good.  
Hope not, but not surprised if it happens.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on March 27, 2019, 07:32:42 AM
Kind of said the same thing one page back.Depends how serious his "headaches" are.Still not sure if he left under his own volition.If not I can definitely see him reaching for the stars.Cali would be his for the taking with a talent pool of 38 million from which to pick.If it was me a job in the booth would suffice nicely rather than get back to the Mayhem.But some of these guys thrive on it. He's got enough socked away that his great grand kids will live comfortably - so money's not a problem obviously.Hell even his wife has had a cushy position on a hospital staff or sum such
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 28, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
tell you what I could totally see him going to 'SC. Living in sunny southern California beats the hell out of living in Ohio. If you're rich that is. And Urban is filthy rich. And USC would be paying him at least $8-10 million per year if they were to hire him.

And the lifestyle in LA is just so different than in Columbus. USC football is like 198,478th down the list for most people in LA. Ohio State football is basically #1 in Columbus. That's priority #1 for damn near everybody in the entire city and state. It's like a fricken religion there. The pressure and expectations that go with that job are ridiculous. WAY different dynamic at USC. Expectations are to win at USC, obviously- but it's not quite the pressure cooker that Ohio State is. Not even close. He'd have more leeway. Fans would love him if he's winning 10-11 games a year. Compare that to Ohio State where if he's not winning 12-14 games and competing for the CFP the fans hate him.

Los Angeles is so big and there are so many famous people that live there that are infinitely more famous/important than him- that Urban could go out to dinner with his family and not be bothered once. Hell, most in LA might not even know who he is. Compare that to Columbus where he probably couldn't even take a dump in a public restroom without a bunch of nutjobs standing outside the bathroom waiting to talk to him or get a pic with him.

Plus the recruiting is just so much easier. Yes, Ohio has a lot of in-state talent, but California has way more. He wouldn't even have to leave his backyard to sign 5-6 "FIVE STARZ" per class.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 28, 2019, 02:45:54 PM
Getting back to the 2019 campaign.... Can Day extend Urban's perfect streak of beating Ttun and winning at least a share of the division?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on March 28, 2019, 02:51:16 PM
So Zach Smith is launching his own tell all podcast?  Why is this still a thing?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 28, 2019, 03:00:52 PM
So Zach Smith is launching his own tell all podcast?  Why is this still a thing?
It's not. He's just a drunk idiot.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on March 28, 2019, 03:02:03 PM
Getting back to the 2019 campaign.... Can Day extend Urban's perfect streak of beating Ttun and winning at least a share of the division?
Yes. He's a good coach and OSU is very talented and Don Brown's defense is suspect vs offenses with as much or more talent than his defenses and coaches who spread that offensive talent out.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 28, 2019, 03:11:38 PM
So Zach Smith is launching his own tell all podcast?  Why is this still a thing?
I don't know which is nuttier: that he expects to have listeners or the off chance he actually will.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2019, 03:13:58 PM
People will listen. People watch freak shows too.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on March 28, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Listening ironically, I hadn't counted on. Still it's worth saying that people like *some* freak shows, not all freak shows. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 28, 2019, 03:54:38 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC2G-YUUbJVI0G5Nn8zYCq_bQflcOquJ8_ToHVfBTPMGAZYStGWw)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on April 10, 2019, 10:44:43 PM
Spring Game is Saturday. I'll be there. Who else is going?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 10, 2019, 10:46:10 PM
I'm going to the game in Lincoln NE this Saturday!!

Bucks get the 11am slot this season, Huskers had 11am last season
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 11, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
I'm interested in how Fields looks, and whether he starts, which is not necessarily an anything.  I think fans will be pleased with his performance in general, though he might make some mistakes at times.  He has I think a tendency to pull it down and run, but they probably worked on that a lot.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 11, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
I'm interested in how Fields looks, and whether he starts, which is not necessarily an anything.  I think fans will be pleased with his performance in general, though he might make some mistakes at times.  He has I think a tendency to pull it down and run, but they probably worked on that a lot.
Supposedly there won't be any tackling, which makes all run plays look weird
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on April 11, 2019, 01:11:23 PM
But on the other hand, it's nice of them to invite Michigan's defense back for a rematch
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 11, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Supposedly there won't be any tackling, which makes all run plays look weird
That was my only gripe with what the Urb was cookin' is that the Spring Game format sorta started to suck. 
Alas, it might be more of a sign of the times, then a UFM thang. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 12, 2019, 06:11:47 PM
Apparently the Spring Game will feature 1s vs 1s, 2s vs 2s, etc. which is actually pretty cool. 

John Cooper used to do 1s vs 3s in the first half, 2s vs 4s in the second, iirc. So the games were always monster blowouts. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 13, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
Slow starting game has turned pretty fun
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 13, 2019, 06:04:42 PM
I read a bit that said Fields did just fine.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 13, 2019, 08:26:36 PM
I read a bit that said Fields did just fine.
Looked pretty good. Should have a much stronger rushing attack at least
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2019, 10:00:06 AM
I think Fields will be "The Man" at QB and do what is needed, and perhaps have some brilliant plays along the way.  I worry about his tendency to run though, as he did in HS, and UGA often used him in designed run plays.  I'd work on breaking him of that unless he can see a path to the sideline or it's a really critical 3rd down.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on April 18, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
 Y’all lost another back up quarterback 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 18, 2019, 08:03:04 PM
Would be pretty thin if he does leave. Chris Chugunov would be the backup, then looking at walk ons. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 18, 2019, 08:05:00 PM
That's three QBs in about a year. All highly touted.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2019, 08:10:23 PM
highly touted guys like to play
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Honestly, I can't see Baldwin transferring. From everything I've read, he was the sharper QB in the spring game (20/36 versus 4/13 for Fields). Caveats galore (bc: spring game), but it still seems fair to say he had a v. realistic chance of starting the opener. Could be 40/60 odds at worst. And even if he loses that, he'd be one injury or two bad games for Fields from ... the fields. It has to be a surprise if he actually goes.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on April 18, 2019, 08:56:24 PM
Now ... if he does go: the concern is somewhat 2019 and needing Fields to be a hit and stay healthy. But maybe even more it's that there's no incoming scholarship TrFr QB from the 2019 class to begin to fix this. So the problem stretches out.

The good news for the long term issue is that although no one is going to grad transfer to be the backup for 2019, you might get a younger transfer to replace the spot Dwan Mathis left open. 

Unlike someone with only one year of eligibility, young kids routinely sign up to backup.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 19, 2019, 11:56:41 AM
Sounds like he's gone.  Leaves them pretty thin - and they are very likely to get a grad transfer or possibly a freshman for next year.  One name I recognized was Alex Malzone.  Anyway, I did not think he looked sharper than Fields - he threw some picks and generally looked like he needed some seasoning.  But he's not a local kid and it makes sense that if he isn't the guy, he'd rather compete to be the guy closer to home.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 19, 2019, 06:14:21 PM
Both of OSU's schollie QBs were playing for other schools last year. 

Might as well make it a trifecta, and nab ole Gunnar Hoak. Local guy in the transfer portal out of Kentucky. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on April 19, 2019, 06:45:18 PM
Sounds like he's gone.  Leaves them pretty thin - and they are very likely to get a grad transfer or possibly a freshman for next year.  One name I recognized was Alex Malzone.  Anyway, I did not think he looked sharper than Fields - he threw some picks and generally looked like he needed some seasoning.  But he's not a local kid and it makes sense that if he isn't the guy, he'd rather compete to be the guy closer to home.
Getting an underclassman transfer: That's easy to imagine
Getting a grad transfer: I don't think that's as reasonable of a prediction. But let me qualify that what isn't reasonable about it is to think the category of grad transfer QB who is primarily leaving to start elsewhere will pick OSU. Not that you've said otherwise. I'm just being specific about my prediction.

Now if there's a kid who dislikes his current situation and is apathetic about starting and really likes the OSU mystique or a specific OSU masters degree ... I could see that guy grad transferring as a warm body. Though I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up below OSU's best walk-on on the depth chart at the finish of fall camp.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on April 21, 2019, 11:27:56 AM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2019/04/103779/colin-cowherd-interview-with-urban (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2019/04/103779/colin-cowherd-interview-with-urban)

Great interview with Urban(who I've been highly critical of the past 2 seasons) by Colin Cowherd.Shame he couldn't be this guy all the time - I can see why recruits would like him.FOX SPORTS pairing him up with Brady Quinn,Rob Stone,Reggie Bush & Matt Leinart
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 21, 2019, 11:50:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4rdDDcWwAAve5F.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Kris60 on April 25, 2019, 12:47:51 PM
I didn’t feel like looking through 14 pages so I apologize if this has been talked about.  I’m just curious if any Buck fans know anything or have any thoughts about backup QB Chris Chuganov.

He’s a WVU transfer and I’ve heard as of right now he is second string in Columbus.  I have to say when he transferred up there I was really, really surprised.  He played the last three games for WVU in 2017 when Grier broke his finger early in the Texas game.

He came in that game and after a shaky start finished with a respectable line of 14-26 for 189 yards, a TD and no picks.  The next two games he got progressively worse.  He was 10-20 against Oklahoma for 137 yards and in the bowl game against Utah he was simply dreadful.  He was 9-28 for 129 yards, one TD, and 2 picks and, honestly, the stats for that game don’t do justice for how bad he truly played.

I figured he may transfer out but I assumed it would be down to FCS.  He wasn’t a highly recruited kid to begin with.  I was just perplexed when it turned out to be Ohio St and now it sounds like he may be one unlucky play from being the guy.  What are you guys hearing about that situation?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 25, 2019, 07:11:05 PM
Had never heard of him. I didn't even realize he got on the field at WVU. But he's second string now.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 25, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
When a team only has two scholarship QBs, second string isn't really much to crow about.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Kris60 on April 26, 2019, 07:12:51 AM
I guess my thing was I was surprised Meyer even allowed him on campus.  Ohio St has the pick of the litter.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 26, 2019, 08:55:01 PM
Schollie QB #3

https://twitter.com/JPAndrade12/status/1121932557216436224
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on April 27, 2019, 08:17:14 PM
Sounds like Gunner Hoak also joining up
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2019, 08:24:25 PM
Sounds like Gunner Hoak also joining up
Oh, that would be sweet. Probably played with ole CJ Saunders in HS. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 30, 2019, 10:19:56 PM



(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscoutingohio.com%2Fimages%2Fcover%2Fprofile%2F5665%2F6e8311781407f04148d4a58ec5b4308a.jpg&hash=1119d658a2ecd32edf683a0bc28a962b)


"Ever since I was born at OSU hospital, some aspect of my life has involved scarlet and gray," Hoak said in his statement. "I've heard my Dad's football stories with Coach Bruce, I've seen my Uncle coach countless Buckeye games in The 'Shoe, and watched my cousin win a National Championship. And while I have gained so much during my experience during my time in Lexington, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to continue a family legacy."

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 16, 2019, 09:02:05 PM

Top 30 Buckeye plays vs Michigan since 2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_8sr_tcOk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_8sr_tcOk)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 17, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
Thanks @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , that was fun to watch!
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 17, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
My analysis of B1G HFA from @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's countdown thread for tOSU:

Ohio State:  The Buckeyes have the misfortune of having to play the next best team on the road.  That substantially reduces Ohio State's CCG chances but there are still several ways to overcome that.  First, Ohio State hasn't lost to Michigan since the Luke Fickell year so we can't completely discount the chances that the Buckeyes will simply win in Ann Arbor.  Second, Michigan has two challenging road games (@UW in September and @PSU in October).  If the Wolverines lose those then Ohio State would clinch a berth prior to THE GAME if they can get there at 8-0. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 19, 2019, 07:51:23 PM
Thanks @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) , that was fun to watch!
Any glaring omissions by your estimation?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 20, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
Any glaring omissions by your estimation?

I didn't notice any. 

My favorites were the plays involving Gonzo, he is now my Congressman.  I've worked a few events with him. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 20, 2019, 08:34:38 PM

OSU acquires another QB transfer from aTm. 

https://twitter.com/jaggerlaroe/status/1130211533101903872
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on May 20, 2019, 10:42:16 PM
Deondre Francois transferring to FAU makes the opener a lot more interesting than it has any right to be.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 21, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
Who? 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 21, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmNaf8qddU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTmNaf8qddU)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on May 21, 2019, 11:00:28 PM
Who?
FSU's true freshman QB phenom from 2016 who got booted after Taggart arrived. I think it was from a domestic violence accusation, though it could have been many things since he and Taggart seemed to clash often and early. Anyway, DF is notches above FAU's standard QB grade, making the season opener v Lane Kiffin suddenly noteworthy.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on May 30, 2019, 05:05:50 PM
Some times announced. First three games and Michigan are noon kicks. MSU is 7:30 and NW 8:30. Hopefully the rest are my preferred time, 3:30
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: TyphonInc on June 04, 2019, 07:52:11 PM
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)

I've emailed Gene and encourage others to do the same, asking to have uniforms return to the tradition ones for The Game. I'm ok with alternates, use them for the Big OOC, and for PSU, and/or whoever from the West. But it just burns me up watching the highlight reals of M*ch playing all these rando teams, I mean Buckeye alternates. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 05, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)

I've emailed Gene and encourage others to do the same, asking to have uniforms return to the tradition ones for The Game. I'm ok with alternates, use them for the Big OOC, and for PSU, and/or whoever from the West. But it just burns me up watching the highlight reals of M*ch playing all these rando teams, I mean Buckeye alternates.
I don't know if Fox is abandoning direct competition with ESPN or not, but the 12:00 Eastern Time slot gets Fox's premium game this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on June 05, 2019, 09:49:52 AM
I don't know if Fox is abandoning direct competition with ESPN or not, but the 12:00 Eastern Time slot gets Fox's premium game this year.
“The Game” as it’s called- always played at noon. I think it’s only not been at noon maybe in the single digits. And they’ve been playing that one for like 100 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
The Game would benefit by going to 7:30 PM in terms of eyeballs.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on June 05, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)

I've emailed Gene and encourage others to do the same, asking to have uniforms return to the tradition ones for The Game. I'm ok with alternates, use them for the Big OOC, and for PSU, and/or whoever from the West. But it just burns me up watching the highlight reals of M*ch playing all these rando teams, I mean Buckeye alternates.
It was 3:30 for the #1 vs. #2 game, I believe that's the only time.

Granted forever it was at 1, even after noon became the standard.

I still think you get more eyeballs being the lone big game at noon, than one of several at 8, but it's a hard theory to test.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on June 05, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Feel I heard somewhere Fox trying to move their biggest games to noon.  I don't hate noon, preferable to a night game, but 3:30 is my favorite time.  Get a good warmup game before the main event.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on June 05, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
It was 3:30 for the #1 vs. #2 game, I believe that's the only time.

Granted forever it was at 1, even after noon became the standard.

I still think you get more eyeballs being the lone big game at noon, than one of several at 8, but it's a hard theory to test.
It brings eyeballs regardless. 

But I’d bet a top 5 matchup played at 8 would smash viewing records.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
OSU and UM have huge alumni numbers, not to mention that both states have fairly large populations and they are the major program (historically).

ND and USC could garner a lot of eyeballs if both are top five.  ND at UGA may get some ratings on TV, but nothing historic.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
Ohio State always seems to have 3-4 of the top-10 rated TV games every year.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on June 05, 2019, 12:34:06 PM
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2019, 12:42:04 PM
There's 4 for OSU.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 05, 2019, 01:12:14 PM
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10 (https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Top-10-highest-rated-college-football-games-on-TV-in-2018-126048068/#126048068_10)
It would be good if the default setting for links would open a new tab rather than going to the linked sight within the same tab.
Drew?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
you don't have a "back" button on your mouse?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 05, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
you don't have a "back" button on your mouse?
I do, but you have to hit "back" like 20 times to get out of that one. I gave up and just came back the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2019, 02:24:05 PM
oh, I thought it may have been a "Sooner" problem

;)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: CWSooner on June 05, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
oh, I thought it may have been a "Sooner" problem

;)
Heh!

There you go thinkin' again.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on June 05, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
OSU vs. TTUN is a noon tradition, that I am surprised hasn't at least made the jump to 3:30. For the amount of money FOX paid for that game alone, why are showing when the left coast is still hitting the snooze button? (7/8pm start is a hard sell with weather, but both stadiums have lights, and 7:00pm end isn't enough time to allow that much of a temp drop.)
Seriously? Who's still hitting the snooze button at 9 AM? It's not like we're in Hawaii's time zone or something...

I actually like* the noon games. If it's a day that I have something else planned, I can watch the Purdue game, be done by essentially the end of lunchtime, and then have the rest of the day open to do what I want to do. 

Pretty much my favorite time slots are either the noon game or the 8:30 PM game, because either one gives me a huge chunk of open time during the day. I either get the entire afternoon and evening free, or I get the entire morning and afternoon free. It's those 3:30 PM kickoffs that I can't stand, because that means my morning is spent waiting around for the game and then I only have the evening available. 

* I don't like the lack of prestige of getting those noon ESPN2 or BTN type games, but that's due to a lack of prestige not a lack of preference for when to watch them. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on June 05, 2019, 04:52:29 PM
I don't understand the idea of doing "something" other than watching college football on a fall Saturday
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 05, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
I'm usually out west for Thanksgiving, and have grown accustomed to watching THE GAME first thing in the morning. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on June 26, 2019, 05:08:41 PM
Apparently no Deondre Francois for FAU
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on June 26, 2019, 05:21:28 PM
I don't understand the idea of doing "something" other than watching college football on a fall Saturday

Huh?  Are you saying there are actual real people who do something else?

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Riffraft on June 26, 2019, 06:38:52 PM
Huh?  Are you saying there are actual real people who do something else?



Well are they actually real people if they are doing something else?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on June 27, 2019, 12:26:15 PM
Not to me.  It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday.  They are dead to me.

Meanwhile, my good friend who is a huge Buckeye fan is cautiously optimistic about the QB situation, even the backups.  If folks will understand that Fields will make an occasional mistake they should be very happy with him, but he's certainly a large story line this season.

Is Jacob Eason primed to start for UW?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on June 27, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Not to me.  It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday.  They are dead to me.
HA!Went to an October wedding 3yrs ago,they were already dead to me then I found out no TV at all during the Reception.I'm not a picky eater but the fillet mignon was well done and tasted like it had been frozen and thawed more than once.Evidently they're trying a temporary seperation now.Screw it I told Cindy unless it's a blood relative I'm mailing $50.00  not to bother me on game day.Relative - they'll get $100.00....and like it
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Riffraft on June 27, 2019, 02:19:29 PM
Not to me.  It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday.  They are dead to me.

Meanwhile, my good friend who is a huge Buckeye fan is cautiously optimistic about the QB situation, even the backups.  If folks will understand that Fields will make an occasional mistake they should be very happy with him, but he's certainly a large story line this season.

Is Jacob Eason primed to start for UW?
I am a high school football official in Arizona, so my Friday's are occupied in the fall. So what happens, my son decided to get married on a Friday night this coming September back in Ohio and another one of my sons is getting married next October on a Saturday, again back in Ohio. 

The one that is getting married in September told me his intended wanted a fall weddings, so I asked him to at least make it on a weekend that Ohio State is playing at home, so I could drive up there on the Saturday for a game. So what weekend is it? The one where Ohio State will be in Nebraska. Kids, you think you raised them right. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 27, 2019, 03:59:49 PM
I don't understand the idea of doing "something" other than watching college football on a fall Saturday
Gotta get up at 7, sneak in a run or trip to the farmers market. 

Granted, I'm getting to old to stay up till 3 for Pac-12. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on June 27, 2019, 04:00:43 PM
Not to me.  It's like folks who get married in the fall on a Saturday.  They are dead to me.
I have two this year and have to fly to them. Thank god I love these people and the friend groups they're part of. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on June 27, 2019, 07:52:15 PM
I am a high school football official in Arizona, so my Friday's are occupied in the fall. So what happens, my son decided to get married on a Friday night this coming September back in Ohio and another one of my sons is getting married next October on a Saturday, again back in Ohio.

You might want to try that Ancestry thing - just sayin'
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 08:21:59 AM
Feel I heard somewhere Fox trying to move their biggest games to noon.  I don't hate noon, preferable to a night game, but 3:30 is my favorite time.  Get a good warmup game before the main event.
Ya usually haven't had too many beers by then.As I recall that classic M vs Sparty last second block punt was at 3:30.Remember there were a few of us in SOC thread watching it live.Man was MDot livid cursing the almighty :D
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on July 02, 2019, 09:08:00 AM
How much of the OSU season hinges on Justin Fields?  I figure the worst they can do is 10-2 (barring some weird breakdown or injuries galore).

Fields could well have a terrible game and lose to say Nebraska or Penn State.  Maybe he has two and they lose TG to go 9-3 which would be quite disappointing.  But perhaps he does "pretty well overall, has no real meltdowns, they should get to 10-2, or better.  And there is a decent chance he is quite good, or at least able to "manage the game and limit mistakes".  Getting into the right play call is obvious a good thing.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 02, 2019, 11:20:00 AM
HA!Went to an October wedding 3yrs ago,they were already dead to me then I found out no TV at all during the Reception.I'm not a picky eater but the fillet mignon was well done and tasted like it had been frozen and thawed more than once.Evidently they're trying a temporary seperation now.Screw it I told Cindy unless it's a blood relative I'm mailing $50.00  not to bother me on game day.Relative - they'll get $100.00....and like it
A month or so ago my daughter announced that her and her boyfriend had decided to get married. She stated that it would be a fall wedding but reassured me that it would be during an Ohio State bye week. She set the date of October 3, 2020. She has my blessing. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 02, 2019, 11:39:24 AM
You've done well N.O.B.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 04, 2019, 07:24:46 AM


So it really bothered me when I heard a player for the other team come out and guarantee wins, and Revenge Tours (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/the-game-2018/2018/11/99435/for-immediate-release-michigan-revenge-tour-canceled), and shit like that, and I remember those days and my head almost popped off my shoulders. That’s disrespecting the rivalry. And I think - everyone listen real close, this is in our DNA, this will never change: How do you really show respect for a rivalry?
Think about it. Very simple question, complicated answer. How do you show respect for a rivalry?

Is it a tee shirt, is it that asshole that said they were going to win the game and said “I guarantee it” or that defensive end, really good player, "Revenge Tour Almost Done'"so he’s going to group us with Wisconsin or Penn State or something like that?

How do you really show respect for a rivalry? And all due respect, maybe some up there don’t understand that. You work that [expletive] every day. Every day. You walk in that staff room - this is for the new coaches, you know who they recruit. You know what they’re doing every day. What I ask Mark Pantoni - who are they recruiting? Who are they going after? What is their practice schedule? What are they doing? Are we outworking them?

So I’ll say this again. How do you respect a rivalry? You work it every day. You don’t shoot your mouth off. If I ever hear, whatever’s going on, I hear a player take a shot verbally at them - that’s a problem. How do you show respect for a rivalry? You work it every [expletive] day. Not by tee shirts. Not by bullshit.

When I see people giggle about how we don’t wear blue in here - I don’t laugh about that. We don’t have blue pens in here. That’s not funny. This is Nike vs. Adidas, this is Coke vs. Pepsi, this is Ohio State vs the Team Up North. This is our livelihood.

So if you're new to the program - welcome to the program. Understand where you’re at. This is not a game. This is not silly. This is a way of life. There’s a bunch of former players in the back [of the room] that lived it. As you move up, you live it. This is who you are.

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. And you work it every day. And I don’t give a shit if you’re from California or Texas or whatever, as soon as you say you’re a Buckeye this is part of your life for the rest of your life - and you don’t lose to those pricks. You beat them every day. Every day.

This will always be a player’s program. What you guys did in that game, to put a beating on that team like they’ve never had a beating before in the history of that program - very good program, by the way - you notice how we talk about them, right? Is that a good program up there? Great program. Good players up there? Great players. Great coaches? Great coaches.

That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did.

-UFM

(https://i.imgur.com/gq7q0bc.gif)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on July 04, 2019, 08:37:24 AM
"That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did."

That's a goddamn national treasure
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on July 04, 2019, 08:59:01 AM
He really is a fantastic coach.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2019, 10:36:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjIlmQ1UN_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjIlmQ1UN_c)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on July 08, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
"That’s the way you respect a rivalry. Then you outwork them and then you kick that ass like it’s never been kicked before. And that’s what you did."

That's a goddamn national treasure
This is one of the best quotes I've ever seen. Great speech.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on July 08, 2019, 09:44:44 AM
I suspect over time that destroys a rivalry.  I don't think a rivalry can persist if it grows one sided.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Briguy on July 08, 2019, 10:43:01 PM
I suspect over time that destroys a rivalry.  I don't think a rivalry can persist if it grows one sided.
It’s been one sided for almost 2 decades. It hasn’t gotten any less intense and means just as much to OSU and UM. I do suspect it has diminished quite a bit to the rest of the nation. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Briguy on July 08, 2019, 10:44:44 PM
Buckeyes are killing it right now recruiting the offensive side of the ball. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a recruiting class with this many top receivers. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on July 09, 2019, 06:24:20 AM
Long way to signing day and the game is still won in the trenches
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on July 09, 2019, 09:27:24 AM
The Rivalry will stay strong and relevant so long as Michigan fields a good team over time, even if OSU wins 9 of 10.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
The Rivalry will stay strong and relevant so long as Michigan fields a good team over time, even if OSU wins 9 of 10.
I think this really is the key.  Two examples:

In Harbaugh's four years he is 0-4.  However, he has been bringing good teams into THE GAME and that has kept the rivalry strong:

The situation was the inverse from 1993-1997.  Michigan dominated W's and L's in THE GAME (4-1) but the rivalry was strong because Ohio State was fielding good teams and was often favored.  

When the rivalry really suffers is when one team is relegated to the role of spoiler AND fails to pull off the upset.  


Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2019, 10:57:12 AM
The rivalry has been pretty one-sided for a very long time and really for nearly all of it's history with only one notable exception:

The notable exception is the Ten Year War between Woody and Bo and the first six years of Bo vs Earle.  In that 16 year stretch from 1969-1984 the series was near-even with Ohio State holding a slight 8-7-1 lead.  

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2019, 11:26:51 AM
Here is a chart of the rolling 10-year winning percentage.  Note that most times when it has been close to even that has been simply transitional with one team on the way up and the other on the way down.  The major exception is that for 1962-1971 through 1981-1990 it was within 0.15 of .500:


Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2019, 11:37:10 AM
Here is the 25 year rolling winning percentage chart.  For Ohio State the 2018 win replaced the 1993 loss and moved the Buckeyes over .700 for the first time ever.  Michigan briefly touched .700 for 1976-2000 but hasn't been above .700 since well before WWII.  

Ohio State currently sits as 17-7 or .708 for 1994-2018.  Michigan can get back over .300 by winning in 2019 but after that they will not get another chance to improve until 2023.  The reason is that in this rolling chart each new year replaces the oldest year and that is problematic for Michigan right now because the years about to be replaced were good for them:

Over the next seven years we will be replacing five Michigan wins and just two Ohio State wins.  Thus, if Ohio State goes 2-5 or better over the next seven years they will remain above .700 in 25 year rolling winning percentage.  After that things get easier for Michigan with the replacement of Tressel's, and Meyer's years.  

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on July 09, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
Minibobs at work again.

On a much lesser scale, I've seen this with UGA-Tech, in reverse in a way.  Tech managed to win 2 of the last 10 (both in Athens), but the games are not "significant" any more nationally (they have been at times).  But, the rivalry is ebbing mostly because Tech is bad or mediocre.  I don't know the last time they were favored, maybe 1990.

Michigan is still good every year, very good in some years, but nearly always ranked at game time, and was the favorite last year.  So, OSU could still dominate and it would still be a rivalry.  Tech could get an upset every so often and the rivalry would still be dying (at least for me).
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
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Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 09, 2019, 12:47:05 PM
Lets talk about Ohio State's defense:

It is really all about limiting big plays.  In 2018 the Buckeyes ranked #51 in the FBS overall allowing 25.5 PPG.  It is all about the big plays because while Ohio State was a middling #51 overall, they were an absolutely horrible #118 in IsoPPP+, an explosiveness stat.  

My take is that when they weren't allowing big plays the Ohio State defense was typically stout.  Now one could say that is a little like saying that when he wasn't getting shot, Abe Lincoln had a good time at Ford's Theater and there is definitely some truth to that so let me clarify:

First, when I say that the Buckeyes' problem was big plays, I don't mean it as an excuse.  Big plays are part of the game and TD count the same regardless of whether they were scored on a 22 play drive of 3.5 yards per play or on a 60 yard burst.  

That said, I do think that in terms of fixing the problem (the problem for coaches) and in terms of us analyzing whether or not it is likely to be fixed, there is a substantial qualitative difference between a defense that was middling every down (ie, ranked #51 overall and ranked #51 in explosiveness) and the 2018 tOSU defense that was middling overall and horrible at preventing big plays.  

I think that Ohio State's defensive issues from 2018 are mostly correctable and I expect to see them corrected with a number of new defensive coaches and more overall experience on the field.  That isn't to say that I expect Ohio State's 2019 defense to rank #1 but I do expect them to be a lot closer to 2015 (#2) or 2016 (#3) than 2018 (#51).  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 09, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
Lets talk about Ohio State's defense:

It is really all about limiting big plays.  In 2018 the Buckeyes ranked #51 in the FBS overall allowing 25.5 PPG.  It is all about the big plays because while Ohio State was a middling #51 overall, they were an absolutely horrible #118 in IsoPPP+, an explosiveness stat. 

My take is that when they weren't allowing big plays the Ohio State defense was typically stout.  Now one could say that is a little like saying that when he wasn't getting shot, Abe Lincoln had a good time at Ford's Theater and there is definitely some truth to that so let me clarify:

First, when I say that the Buckeyes' problem was big plays, I don't mean it as an excuse.  Big plays are part of the game and TD count the same regardless of whether they were scored on a 22 play drive of 3.5 yards per play or on a 60 yard burst. 

That said, I do think that in terms of fixing the problem (the problem for coaches) and in terms of us analyzing whether or not it is likely to be fixed, there is a substantial qualitative difference between a defense that was middling every down (ie, ranked #51 overall and ranked #51 in explosiveness) and the 2018 tOSU defense that was middling overall and horrible at preventing big plays. 

I think that Ohio State's defensive issues from 2018 are mostly correctable and I expect to see them corrected with a number of new defensive coaches and more overall experience on the field.  That isn't to say that I expect Ohio State's 2019 defense to rank #1 but I do expect them to be a lot closer to 2015 (#2) or 2016 (#3) than 2018 (#51). 
I’ll dig in here at some point. There’s some numerical slicing and dicing to do. I will say the 51st is inflated a few spots by pace. They were 40th in points per drive.

Their profile was kinda odd to say the least.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 09, 2019, 02:50:05 PM
If Borland & Werner are starting at LB,that's not good IMO.Not sure why Keandre Jones couldn't beat either of them out
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 09, 2019, 02:57:42 PM
I’ll dig in here at some point. There’s some numerical slicing and dicing to do. I will say the 51st is inflated a few spots by pace. They were 40th in points per drive.

Their profile was kinda odd to say the least.
Very odd.  

Most defenses that give up a lot of big plays are generally terrible at everything but that does not define Ohio State's 2018 defense at all.  They were very much feast-or-famine in that they were either shutting opponents down or giving up huge plays.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 09, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
As a Michigan fan it's hard not to be most interested in the Greg Mattison aspect of the defense. He's a great coach but what interests me most is that DC hasn't been the thing he's best at in his career.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 09, 2019, 03:05:36 PM
I dunno he was Coordinator at FLa in 2006(along with Charkie Strong) at ND and with the Ravens.He brings some stability IMO.Hell i liked him in AA
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 09, 2019, 03:09:28 PM
I didn't say he was a bad DC. He was far more valuable to Michigan when he took the demotion to assistant coaching DL. That's the thing he's best at.

Put another way: It'll be much harder for Michigan's new DL coach to be better than Mattison than it was for Michigan to replace Mattison as a DC. Again, he's a great coach, so neither was easy, but I think we like dabbling in nuance and "extents" in this message board, and at DL Greg Mattison is at the tippy-top of his profession.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 10, 2019, 07:29:21 AM
It was so strange.  Often, when you saw the breakdowns on big plays, it was the simplest of mistakes that were being made.

I specifically remember watching Macfarland from Maryland made then look silly but on each of his big runs, the mistake was one guy being 1/2 a body off in his alignment or pursuit angle.   Then, the next week those issues did not arise in the Game.  

They have multiple NFL level player at each level of the defense, and at LB, 2-3 guys that would likely start just about anywhere, coming off the bench.

Werner is a talented kid- nice jets for a LB, so I expect more from him.   I don’t know how long they can keep Teradja  Mitchell and Baron Browning on the bench. 

Brendon White and Okudah finished extremely strong, so the hope is we see way more consistency. Word is that Washington and Mattison have simplified assisgnments while offering more confusing looks.   We will see. Hafley has said the same for the DBs — more mixture of man and zone with looks that are difficult to tell one from the other.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 10, 2019, 10:35:35 AM
Very odd. 

Most defenses that give up a lot of big plays are generally terrible at everything but that does not define Ohio State's 2018 defense at all.  They were very much feast-or-famine in that they were either shutting opponents down or giving up huge plays. 
So, this is actually a little inaccurate, give or take quibbling about "a lot." It often reflects strategy more so, give or take execution/quality. 

Using the Bill C stats, the two main offensive and defensive numbers mentioned are that IsoPPP (measures how explosive the explosive plays are) and success rate, which basically says, how good is this team at stringing together chain-moving plays and marching the field. 

A bend-don't-break defense, the kind we oft lament, says we'll give up some success rate for good explosiveness defense (I've seen one coach argue big play prevention/production is a top indicator of winning, which in this context is debatable). Since this is all a continuum, it means there are some defenses that will try to be more aggressive. That means trying to get opponents off the field faster, with the risk of getting beat on a big play.

I've tried to figure out a name for this. Don't-bend, sometimes-break feels weird, and high-risk, high-reward fails because people are poor at risk assessment. 

Examples of this when it works are Clemson at times in this run and old MSU teams. While those are both good squads, it's a low margin for error defense. They tend to be quite good or quite bad. Bend don't break has a higher floor, lower ceiling, and if you have good talent, teaching and technique, and strategy is fine.

Schematically this can manifest in concrete ways. If I put an extra man in the box to make short runs harder, I have one less on the last line of defense. If my corners play tight to take away hitches, the defender has a better chance to get behind them. 

So let's look at OSU. Last year, this was their defensive rank:
36th in success rate (drops to 57th with another adjustment about down and distance)
115th in explosiveness
If the former was better, the latter would maybe be OK. What's more interesting is when we split up run and pass.

Vs run
41st in marginal efficiency (better version of success rate)
120th in marginal explosiveness 

Vs. pass
52nd in Marginal efficiency
61 in explosiveness
So the pass D was kinda flat mediocre at it all, run D was try not to bend, break badly

Previous years
2017
Overall success rate 14
overall explosiveness 11
Run success rate 7
Run explosiveness 7
Pass success rate 35
Pass explosiveness 8
2016
Overall success rate 14
overall explosiveness 53
Run success rate 9
Run explosiveness 66
Pass success rate 24
Pass explosiveness 30
2015
Overall success rate 7
overall explosiveness 33
Run success rate 25
Run explosiveness 32
Pass success rate 1
Pass explosiveness 66
2014
Overall success rate 24
overall explosiveness 29


This doesn't look at some of the overall numbers, which get adjusted for competition. That raised the OSU D to 29th last year. I sometimes shy from adjusted numbers because they tend to go against feelings and confuse 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 12, 2019, 09:29:05 AM
Watching last year it "felt" to me like Ohio State's defense was great most of the time and just flat awful once in a while.  

An example:

In last year's opener (OrSU), the Beavers had 196 rushing yards on 39 carries (5.0 avg).  The thing is that the Beavers had both an 80 yard TD run and a 78 yard TD run.  Now if you take those two plays away they had a grand combined total of 38 yards on their other 37 carries.  

Allowing 38 yards on 37 carries isn't bad, middling, or even good, that is great even against weak opposition.  

Against the pass it felt about the same.  Oregon State also had 196 yards passing but they had a 49 yard TD pass and 27 and 26 yard pass plays.  Overall they were 14/24 for 196 yards but if you take away the three long plays they were 11/21 for 94 yards.  

What I am flailing about trying to communicate here is that, at least to me, tOSU's defense felt like that most of the year.  Against OrSU they had two big miscues in rush defense and three in pass defense.  On those five plays they allowed 260 yards.  On the other 58 plays OrSU only got 132 yards.  That is a very Jeckyll and Hyde situation where the Buckeyes had 58 plays of excellent defense and 5 plays of just horrible defense.  

Even in the Purdue game which was, by far, Ohio State's worst outing, the Buckeyes forced three 3-and-outs with another three drives of <7 plays and <35 yards.  They also had 7 TFL's including 2 sacks.  My point is that they did a lot of good things but the problem was that when they weren't doing good or great things they were doing terrible things.  

Overall it seemed to me last year that some of the most exciting CFB of the year was when Ohio State was on defense because there were just a ton of big plays both ways.  

All of that said, I completely agree with your thoughts on high-risk/high-reward defense and I think that was a big part of it.  Ohio State's defense relied heavily on pressure and making big plays.  When it worked they did great things like sacks, TFL's, INT's, etc.  When it didn't work they gave up huge chunks of yardage.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 12, 2019, 09:40:56 AM
It shows the razor’s edge part of high risk, high reward. 

If OSU is 10-15 spots higher on success rate, which eliminates a few big plays a game, you have a really solid defense. 

The gap in success rate and adjusted success rate is odd. I wonder if that means OSU was more prone to allowing good plays in second and third and long. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on August 12, 2019, 12:23:12 PM
It shows the razor’s edge part of high risk, high reward.

If OSU is 10-15 spots higher on success rate, which eliminates a few big plays a game, you have a really solid defense.

The gap in success rate and adjusted success rate is odd. I wonder if that means OSU was more prone to allowing good plays in second and third and long.
It sure felt like it.  

For an example, Purdue's first TD drive was 98 yards in 15 plays.  That is an average of just over 6.5 yards per play but Purdue's drive was not 15 plays of 6.53 yards each, far from it.  On that drive the Buckeyes had a five yard sack, two additional TFL's, a no gain stop, and there was an offensive PI on Purdue that put the Boilermakers in a very difficult 2nd and 25.  Additionally, the Buckeye defense forced a 4th and 1 that (IIRC) was converted on a fake FG.  I would venture to guess that most sacks and TFL's are drive-killers and offensive PI is almost always a drive killer because it is just extremely difficult to recover from 2nd and 25.  Purdue was able to keep that drive going and get into the endzone because when Ohio State's defense wasn't doing those good/great things they were busy allowing:

For the drive, Ohio State gave up six plays of 10 yards or more and five of them occurred on 2nd and 8 or more.  

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 12, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
not really OSU related since he transferred, but Tater Tot Martell loses out on the Miami QB starting job to a freshman. He'd have been better off staying put at Ohio State and trying to battle Fields.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 12, 2019, 02:15:36 PM
I don't think the Tate Martell news affects the ceiling with Fields -- his potential is still through the roof. But maybe the Martell news does lower the floor, though. On the opposite side, had Martell sounded like a future Heisman winner, the floor would have seemed to rise to "even better than that" for Fields. I think that floor is pretty different with Martell not only losing but losing to a freshman.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 12, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
I don't think the Tate Martell news affects the ceiling with Fields -- his potential is still through the roof. But maybe the Martell news does lower the floor, though. On the opposite side, had Martell sounded like a future Heisman winner, the floor would have seemed to rise to "even better than that." I think that floor is pretty different with Martell not only losing but losing to a freshman.
wasn't saying anything in regards to Fields or his potential.

I was simply saying that for Tater Tot, probably made more sense staying put and trying to compete against Fields with receivers & coaches & a system that Tater was familar with and were all areas that Tater had a leg up on over Fields. Instead he transfers to Miami, has to learn timing and chemistry with all new receivers, get used to all new coaches, and try to learn an all new system 1,200 miles south of where he'd been living the last 3 years. He's the back-up there in Miami, would've been better off being the back-up where he was at. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. Although: I'd much rather live in Miami than anywhere in Ohio. Lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 12, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
My comment wasn't a response to you except that you did bring up the topic of Martell. Other than that, I meant mine to stand alone.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 12, 2019, 11:55:14 PM
Tate was a no show at practice today.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 08:20:45 AM
Tate may lack the emotional makeup to be a QB, not sure, but he is not showing evidence of maturity IMHO.

Is it safe to assume Fields will be the starter now?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 13, 2019, 08:24:16 AM
Tate was a no show at practice today.
headcase.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 08:54:46 AM
He's asked to enter a portal again headed for some place called Ann Arbor - ever hear of it?Wants to work with a QB whisperer
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: ELA on August 13, 2019, 09:43:26 AM
Is it safe to assume Fields will be the starter now?
Tate was already at Miami, he lost out there to a true freshman.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 13, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
Welcome to my continuing series - a slow piecemeal preview of OSU that helps me figure out who is actually on the team.

Up first: Offensive Coaches and QB's

Obviously there has been a tremendous amount of change at OSU, so no need to rehash the obvious.  Ryan Day is the head coach that is an almost complete question mark.  Part of coaching is intangible - motivating guys to continue to get better and better and work as a team requires qualities that are hard to check in boxes.  It's useless to try and figure out if Day has it - we shall see.   What we can talk about is his football identity, which is still a question mark, if less of one.  

Urbs was pretty well defined as a guy who loved running power football through the spread option.  With Dwayne Haskins last year and Ryan Day more in charge, the outfit resembled the Air Raid quite a bit more.  Instead of mashing the defense on the ground, the offense took on the proverbial "get the ball in space to the speedy guys" as they utilized a lot more screens and mesh routes to spring their receivers.  However, the running game suffered, and there always looked to be this battle of identities as to what OSU was trying to be.  

The offensive coaching staff is largely the same with one notable addition - Oklahoma State OC Mike Yurcich was brought in to be the QB coach and "passing game coordinator," whatever that is.  He had some big numbers at Okie State and has the now traditional no huddle, spread attack.  No real reason to expect a boatload of change, and the biggest question mark is whether running the quarterback is going to be a big part of the offense via Urbs or just something that gets sprinkled in from time to time.  

That's key, because as you may have heard, OSU got a transfer from Georgia in bigshot recruit Justin Fields.  All and do everything, everyone expects him to be the starter this year ahead of Kentucky transfer Gunnar Hoak.  There is no question Fields is a fantastic athlete who can run, but there are questions as to whether he can consistently complete forward passes.  At times, coaches think they can turn big time athletes into Dan Marino.  I'm not sure OSU will have a great offense hoping that Fields can drop dimes like Haskins did.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 14, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
Cont - Offensive skill positions

Let's start with what we know.  J.K. Dobbins is the clear starter at running back, and figures to get a million snaps.  While it's unclear what the running game will look like, he figures to be a big part of whatever it is.  Mike weber is gone and the running back depth is pretty scant.  Demario McCall moves from purgatory receiver to second string tailback, and while he has looked like a playmaker at times, he's rarely been on the field.  Master Teague and Marcus Crowley are youngsters who are available.

Similarly, at receiver, KJ Hill is a lock to see a lot of snaps.  He's the lone returnee of their top four options from last year, and he is excellent in the slot or H-Back situations that get him crossed up with a linebacker or safety.  After him gets a bit mysterious.  OSU would like a rotation of six receivers.  There are lots (and lots) of options here.
- Austin Mack would be a lock, but he was injured for half of last season and is banged up now
- Bin Victor is a senior and has been around for a while, but never really been the playmaker he was projected to be
- Chris Olave - came on late as a freshman for the injured Mack, and made an announcement with two touchdowns against Michigan
- Jaylen Harris - Big bodied type who has been stuck on the depth chart but now has an opening
- CJ Saunders - former walk-on who earned playing time last year in the crowded WR field
- Garrett Wilson - True frosh super recruit who is hgihly rated mostly on how polished a receiver he is right now
- Jaelen Gill - Redshirt frosh who observers call the best playmaker on the team

Also, Elijah Gardner and true frosh Jameson Williams are getting mentioned, too.  Kamryn Babb is currently injured.  It's tough to say what the receivers will look like.  KJ Hill and a healthy Austin Mack will get plenty of run, but all of the guys mentioned above could get substantial playing time.

And btw, OSU also has tight ends.  They weren't a huge part of the offense last year, though some conjecture that could change a bit this year.  In any event, Luke Farrell returns as the steadiest tight end, though Jeremy Rucket and Rashod Berry are the more athletic ones and may line up more as receivers.  Jake Hausmann also returns, though he has struggled with injuries.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 14, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Tate was already at Miami, he lost out there to a true freshman.
this is a kid who committed to Washington as an 8th grader, then flipped to Texas A&M as a 10th grader, and then de-committed from A&M, and then signed with Ohio State. Left Ohio State for Miami after Justin Fields transferred in. Now he'll probably be leaving Miami after only one off-season. Crazy.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2019, 03:39:13 PM
So...

Trademark on the word "THE"??

Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 14, 2019, 03:46:10 PM
That's key, because as you may have heard, OSU got a transfer from Georgia in bigshot recruit Justin Fields.  All and do everything, everyone expects him to be the starter this year ahead of Kentucky transfer Gunnar Hoak.  There is no question Fields is a fantastic athlete who can run, but there are questions as to whether he can consistently complete forward passes.  At times, coaches think they can turn big time athletes into Dan Marino.  I'm not sure OSU will have a great offense hoping that Fields can drop dimes like Haskins did. 
Haskins was special man. He could drop dimes with the best of them.

The key for Ryan Day will be to let Justin Fields be Justin Fields. He's got a really good arm, but not sure he spins it like Haskins. Very few do. Haskins ball placement and accuracy was out of sight. That's why a lot of those short passes went for big gains. You put the ball on the money on time and hit the WR in stride- those 6-7 yard passes can turn into 20+ in a hurry. And Haskins could also fit balls into tight spaces down the field. His arm talent was special.

If Day tries to just make Fields a pocket passer, then I think the OSU offense could really struggle. They need to use what makes him special- that 4.5 speed in a 6'3 frame. This kid was the #2 recruit in the nation for a reason. Insanely productive HS player with out of this world measurables. He's got a really strong arm, not sure it's quite as refined as Haskins. Haskins came out the womb slinging the football. He was born to be a QB. Some guys are just naturally gifted at throwing a football. Like the guy you just mentioned: Dan Marino. Most perfect passer there ever was. All due respect to Aaron Rodgers and this new guy Mahomes everyone seems to be obsessed with. Marino is the best passer that ever lived and ever will live.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
So...

Trademark on the word "THE"??

Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
Great name for a Rock Band
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 14, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
Cont - Offensive skill positions

Let's start with what we know.  J.K. Dobbins is the clear starter at running back, and figures to get a million snaps.  While it's unclear what the running game will look like, he figures to be a big part of whatever it is.  Mike weber is gone and the running back depth is pretty scant.  Demario McCall moves from purgatory receiver to second string tailback, and while he has looked like a playmaker at times, he's rarely been on the field.  Master Teague and Marcus Crowley are youngsters who are available.

Similarly, at receiver, KJ Hill is a lock to see a lot of snaps.  He's the lone returnee of their top four options from last year, and he is excellent in the slot or H-Back situations that get him crossed up with a linebacker or safety.  After him gets a bit mysterious.  OSU would like a rotation of six receivers.  There are lots (and lots) of options here.
- Austin Mack would be a lock, but he was injured for half of last season and is banged up now
- Bin Victor is a senior and has been around for a while, but never really been the playmaker he was projected to be
- Chris Olave - came on late as a freshman for the injured Mack, and made an announcement with two touchdowns against Michigan
- Jaylen Harris - Big bodied type who has been stuck on the depth chart but now has an opening
- CJ Saunders - former walk-on who earned playing time last year in the crowded WR field
- Garrett Wilson - True frosh super recruit who is hgihly rated mostly on how polished a receiver he is right now
- Jaelen Gill - Redshirt frosh who observers call the best playmaker on the team

Also, Elijah Gardner and true frosh Jameson Williams are getting mentioned, too.  Kamryn Babb is currently injured.  It's tough to say what the receivers will look like.  KJ Hill and a healthy Austin Mack will get plenty of run, but all of the guys mentioned above could get substantial playing time.

And btw, OSU also has tight ends.  They weren't a huge part of the offense last year, though some conjecture that could change a bit this year.  In any event, Luke Farrell returns as the steadiest tight end, though Jeremy Rucket and Rashod Berry are the more athletic ones and may line up more as receivers.  Jake Hausmann also returns, though he has struggled with injuries.
Ohio State will be just fine at WR and TE.

I'm way more interested in QB, OL, and RB. JK Dobbins is a hell of a RB, but he's not an every downback imo. Mike Weber was so underrated by OSU fans and the media in general. Weber was a sledge hammer who was great at moving the chains. He ran people over like a little bowling ball. That kind of move the chains, between the tackle running will be missed. JK Dobbins is terrific, but that's not his game.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Weber wasn't under rated by us we liked Mike
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:09:12 PM
So...

Trademark on the word "THE"??

Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
the Canes down at "the U" won't allow it
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
Neither will The Bug Eaters
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 04:37:56 PM
the Bug Eaters/Huskers aren't infatuated with "the"
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 14, 2019, 09:47:56 PM
So...

Trademark on the word "THE"??

Gotta be f'ing kidding me.
(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/users/user186359/2019-08-14_16-49-51.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 15, 2019, 06:43:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2MzrP4L.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bayareabadger on August 15, 2019, 07:25:35 AM
This “The” silliness brought up an old article about Ohio State’s aggressive trademark protection. Some of it stood out as an aggressive reminder of the flimsiness of “amateurism.” 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 08:11:26 AM
Assinine move whoever thought it up.
Here is Ohio State's problem on this

Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Temp430 on August 15, 2019, 08:25:16 AM
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson.   They could lose a game to Sparty given Sparty's defense, or maybe Michigan in Ann Arbor, but they are the B1G's best and are ranked accordingly.  And I doubt Chris Day, his staff, or any of the Buckeye players are loosing sleep in camp over "The" stupid distraction.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 08:32:50 AM
I doubt the players know about the the distraction.  It's minor news.

Maybe they laughed about it and went back to work.  

OSU ranked second in recruiting at 247 in 2017 and 2018, slipped a bit in 2019 but had a lot of 5 stars anyway, and fewer numbers.

Maybe UGA has roughly comparable talent based on recruiting, though UGA has lost 3 five stars this year from their #1 class, one to OSU of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 09:58:28 AM
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson.
We shall see a 3 loss season would not surprise me.New HC/QB and lots of question marks.I can see why M is favored in the East,the Offensive Line and Receiving Corp is looking Rip.If Shea is better than pedestrian it should be a fun squad to watch
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 15, 2019, 12:55:22 PM
Cont preview:  The Offensive Line

Last year, the line was at times maligned, and could look good for stretches (Michigan) and for other stretches (see trying to run the football, trying to block Kenny Willekes) looked lost.  No reason to complain, because four of the five starters from last year are gone, so it will be a new look.  No more Isaiah Prince to kick around anymore.

There hasn't been too much drama on starters.  Four of the five positions are pretty well set
LT - Thayer Munford - the lone returning starter has been a little banged up, but no one thinks he will lose his job.  Josh Alabi returns as his backup.  
LG - Rutgers transfer Jonah Jackson is the guy here.
C - Sophomore Josh Myers is the starter.  
RG - Wyatt Davis filled in last year and returns
RT - Still up in the air.  Branden Bowen played last year until a bad leg injury put him down.  However, Nicholas Petit-Frere was a top recruit who put on weight his freshman season and now looks ready to contribute.

The biggest issue for the line is depth.  Breaking in four new starters is always dicey, and you want to have some experienced guys able back them up.  Right now, senior Josh Alabi is the backup tackle and junior Gavin Cupp would probably fill in at the guard spot.  After that you have a group of reshirt and true freshmen.  Worth noting true freshman Harry Miller is getting lots of chatter this fall.

There is no reason to expect a big drop off.  Myers might be the biggest question mark, but all of the other guys look like solid options.  Depth is an issue, and any kind of multiple injury problem will be tough to overcome.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 15, 2019, 02:27:26 PM
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson.  They could lose a game to Sparty given Sparty's defense, or maybe Michigan in Ann Arbor, but they are the B1G's best and are ranked accordingly.  And I doubt Chris Day, his staff, or any of the Buckeye players are loosing sleep in camp over "The" stupid distraction.
on paper, sure. But recruit rankings on paper don't always translate onto the field. Urban was one of the greatest recruiters of 5 STARZ players ever, but he also developed those 5 STARZ maybe better than any coach that I've ever seen. Lots of coaches land 5 STARZ and wind up with busts on their hands. Urbz was great at getting 5 STARZ and then even better at getting them to play like 5 STARZ. Remains to be seen how Ryan Day can develop/motivate players.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 02:47:10 PM
Wonder if Mattison is a straight shooter,or blowing smoke.According to a Gerdeman Podcast on 11 Warriors Mattison is fawning over both Borland and Werner at LB,who the masses quite frankly aren't that infatuated with
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 15, 2019, 02:49:03 PM
Wonder if Mattison is a straight shooter,or blowing smoke.According to a Gerdeman Podcast on 11 Warriors Mattison is fawning over both Borland and Werner at LB,who the masses quite frankly aren't that infatuated with
Love me some Greg Mattison as a coach, but he is most definitely 100000% a smoke blower. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 02:55:19 PM
:stfu: :D damn I was hoping that wasn't the case - a glass half full type.Those two were serviceable but their game needs to ratchet up a bit,they have some experience but just seemed to lack speed and quickness.We'll see where the depth charts are when camp breaks 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: bwarbiany on August 15, 2019, 03:02:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417 (https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417)


Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 15, 2019, 03:55:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417 (https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417)
you never want to be the guy who replaces the legend. you want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend. Urban Meyer's shoes are bascially virtually impossible to fill. Feel bad for the guy who is going to have to take over for Saban in Alabama. That's going to be a tough out.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 04:23:00 PM
Day isn't just replacing one legend, he's replacing two decades of two all-time legends. Legends on the program, conference, and national level. Needless to say in ~20 tries, OSU didn't just reach up like a one-time skyscraper, it built a wide cloud-level plateau and fans haven't known anything else.

If the universe cares for balance, the come down is probable and will be excrutiating.  😎
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 15, 2019, 04:33:17 PM
Day isn't just replacing one legend, he's replacing two decades of two all-time legends. Legends on the program, conference, and national level. Needless to say in ~20 tries, OSU didn't just reach up like a one-time skyscraper, it built a wide cloud-level plateau and fans haven't known anything else.

If the universe cares for balance, the come down is probable and will be excrutiating.
you never want to replace a legendary coach, unless of course you are a more legendary coach than the one you are replacing.

Ohio State lucked out really. It's pretty much impossible to hire two Hall of Fame, legendary coaches back to back like they did with Tressell and then Urban. That just doesn't happen.

That would be like the Patriots going from Parcells right to Belichik. They went from Parcells to Pete Carrol, who struggled in the NFL and got fired, then to Belichik. That's usually how coaching changes go. What Ohio State pulled off with Tressell right to Meyer is highly unusual. 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 15, 2019, 09:23:05 PM
:stfu: :D damn I was hoping that wasn't the case - a glass half full type.Those two were serviceable but their game needs to ratchet up a bit,they have some experience but just seemed to lack speed and quickness.We'll see where the depth charts are when camp breaks
Werner has serious jets.  Now whether that translates to a better season- we will see. A few dudes behind him are going to be killers ( Mitchell, Browning) won’t sit if guys in the field aren’t playing well.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
I don't question his guts/heart/determination think he's more of a situational than a 3 down guy.He took some pounding from TE's,FB's and linemen but has a place in certain schemes IMO.I gather from an 11 Warriors podcast they'll be rotating quite a bit which should work out
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 16, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
Preview Continued - Defensive Line and Defensive coaching

OSU's defense, outstanding in 2016, showed a crack here and there (re:Iowa) in 2017, and then abandoned all hope in 2018, as they were repeatedly gashed for big plays in nearly every game.  They did not appear fundamentally sound in defending the whole field nor did they look comfortable understanding what the offense was trying to do.  They were a mess, to be honest, and it cost them a playoff appearance.

Unlike the offensive staff, Ryan Day made big changes to the defensive staff.  Obviously, Day made waves by bringing in Greg Mattison and Al Washington from Michigan, but he also brought in Jeff Hafley from the 49ers to help coordinate the defense.  Mattison has been coaching defense since I was in grade school.  Hafley has bounced around the ranks, mostly coaching defensive backs, and knew Day through Chip Kelly.

What's the new defense going to look like?  Probably simpler and much more sound.  When Hoke and Mattison took over Michigan in 2011, the defense jumped from 77th in S&P to 21st.  Defense was never the issue for those groups, and I'm quite confident this group will not make nearly as many huge mistakes as last year.  Otherwise, it probably won't look wildly different.  They will play a 4-3, though like Michigan they will utilize a linebacker who is comfortable in coverage (Michigan's "Viper" becomes OSU's "Bullet").  They will likely have more looks in coverage, instead of the steady supply of man defense they went with last year.

Up front, there probably won't be many changes at all.  Larry Johnson's defensive line is good and deep.  Expect a lot of guys to play.  

DE: Chase Young will get the glory and the plays.  He's being talked about as a top five draft pick, and the biggest challenge is facing the various blocking schemes designed to stop him.  After him, things are a bit up in the air.  Jonathan Cooper returns as is the nominal starter opposite Young.  However, Tyreke Smith and Tyler Friday should challenge, and all may play if OSU still trots out their four DE "Rushmen" line on passing situations.  Javonte Jean-Baptiste and superfrosh Zach Harrison also may get some time.

DT: A very deep position for the Buckeyes.  They lost Dremont Jones to the draft, but return eight guys who could all play.  Rob Landers and Jashon Cornell are the nominal starters, but expect a heavy rotation involving Taron Vincent, Davon Hamilton, Tommy Togiai, and Haskell Garrett.  Jerron Cage and Antwuan Jackson could also earn time.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 19, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/08/105994/watch-ryan-day-address-the-media-and-name-a-starting-quarterback

I have no idea if he can win tough games, but I like the way he handles himself and the media.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Cincydawg on August 19, 2019, 01:44:39 PM
This year could be more interesting overall than many have been despite the dearth of apparently top end OOC matchups.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 19, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Preview continued - Linebackers

Linebacker and safety are where the rubber meets the road for the new coaching staff.  Last year, OSU's constant defensive problems were typically highlighted by someone, often a linebacker, either way out of position or desperately chasing someone they had no hope of catching.  Frankly, as the spread as risen, playing these positions is fairly tough, and the move towards smaller guys who can cover in space is pretty wide.

So it will be this year.  With the "bullet" position, OSU will have a safety move down to linebacker, especially against spread teams.  It sounds like Brendan White and Jahsen Wint will be the early contenders to be the bullet.  It may be a work in progress, since they are safeties, not linebackers, and it remains to be seen how comfortable the staff will be in playing them and who they take off the field.

As for actual linebackers, it looks like five guys are competing for three (two) spots.  Malik Harrison was their best linebacker last year, and he remains a very large and athletic strong side linebacker.  Dallas Gant would back him.  Tuf Borland and Baron Browning are competing for the middle spot, though Tuf appears to be the starter again.  He was fairly average last year, though he was also recovering from an Achilles injury.

Weakside linebacker looks like Pete Werner, backed up by Teradja Mitchell.  Werner was a fan whipping boy last year, as he was often the poor sap chasing down a smaller guy he couldn't cover.  The hope is the defense will put him in much better spots where he isn't in man coverage against better athletes.  That will hopefully stop the parade of hate towards the linebackers this year.  
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 19, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Captains 

"This year’s group has two returning from 2018 in safety Jordan Fuller and linebacker Tuf Borland.

The rest of the captains include defensive ends Chase Young and Jonathon Cooper, running back J.K. Dobbins and wide receivers K.J. Hill and C.J. Saunders."



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(https://www.10tv.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image/public/2019/08/19/2019ohiostateteamcaptains.jpg?itok=4DIHKbLM)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 20, 2019, 11:12:59 AM
OSU preview continues - The Secondary

DBU was a little wonky last year.  The safeties couldn't get out of their own way or in the way of opposing players.  College Gameday had multiple sets on what was wrong with OSU's corners, as it turned out that playing man coverage all the time can sometimes bite you in the butt.  Jeff Hafley is not the man coaching the defensive backs, and it certainly sounds like the man coverage will be dialed back a bit and some more zone looks will called.    Who will be playing them?

There are mostly easy answers here.  Damon Arnette returns as a starter, and Jeffrey Okudah moves from the third corner to the second corner.  While a five star athlete and great cover man, he wasn't very physical at the line of scrimmage.  Shaun Wade should also play quite a bit as either a third corner or at safety.

Jordan Fuller was their leading tackler last year, and he returns and should be a standout on the defense.  The other safety spot is a bit undetermined.  As mentioned in the linebackers, OSU is moving a couple safeties into a glorified linebacker/safety position, and it's a bit unclear how often the "Bullet," probably Brendan White, will be on the field and where.  Regardless, Isaiah Pryor and Amir Riep are the reserves and should also see a fair amount of time on the field. 

The hope, and my expectation, is that the secondary should be much improved.  Allowing the secondary to set up and look at the field instead of constantly identifying their man should make for a more cohesive defense that doesn't appear as full of holes.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 21, 2019, 10:58:32 AM
OSU preview cont - Special Teams

Fairly easy to preview here.  The biggest change is there is an actual special teams coordinator, Matt Barnes, who comes from Maryland.  Urban coached the special teams the entire time he was here, so an actual special teams coordinator is a new position for the Bucks.  As far as players, a lot of the same.

K - Blake Haubeil will be the full time kicker after splitting a bit with Sean Nuernberger last year.  

P - Drue Chrisman returns and should once again be a strong punter.

KR - Demario McCall split returns with Johnnie Dixon last year, but Dixon is gone.  Could see KJ Hill, CJ Saunders, and Jaelen Gill back there.

PR: KJ Hill and CJ Saunders handled the punt returns and return. Again, could also see McCall or Gill back there.

Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 21, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
Long snapper?
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MaximumSam on August 21, 2019, 12:25:21 PM
Long snapper?
https://twitter.com/LiamMcCullough2/status/1151562373209186305?s=20
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Honestbuckeye on August 27, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
https://610wtvn.iheart.com/featured/lori-schmidt/content/2019-08-27-urban-meyer-on-how-cardale-drove-the-mystery-machine/

Priceless and hilarious 
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: Mdot21 on August 27, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
https://610wtvn.iheart.com/featured/lori-schmidt/content/2019-08-27-urban-meyer-on-how-cardale-drove-the-mystery-machine/

Priceless and hilarious
I'm actually enjoying Urban in his retirement from coaching. Saw him on some Fox Sports shows where he's working now. Definitely one of the best CFB guys on tv already. Maybe even the best.
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
Post by: MrNubbz on August 27, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
MDot this is good and funny also

https://youtu.be/nGx3pgFaQzA (https://610wtvn.iheart.com/featured/lori-schmidt/content/2019-08-27-urban-meyer-on-how-cardale-drove-the-mystery-machine/)
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 03:04:27 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1171835031494569984
Title: Re: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 03:29:10 PM
I'm almost disappointed for the lost opportunity:

https://twitter.com/UMich/status/1161736458350129152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1161736458350129152&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.12up.com%2Fposts%2Fmichigan-torches-ohio-state-on-twitter-over-incredibly-lame-trademark-of-the-01dj8yc417eb