2020 Michigan State Offseason Thread

[Brutus Buckeye]

Not really true though. FB games often have good endings, as do books and movies. And they all have to end in only a handful of hours. Even the Never Ending Story.

[ELA]

Bringing his OC and OL coach with him.  Retaining DL and LB coach (Burton and Tressell), and rumored to be bringing Barnett back from FSU for DBs.


https://twitter.com/adamcm777/status/1229496286711177216?s=19

[bayareabadger]

Bringing his OC and OL coach with him.  Retaining DL and LB coach (Burton and Tressell), and rumored to be bringing Barnett back from FSU for DBs.


https://twitter.com/adamcm777/status/1229496286711177216?s=19

I need to dig in on these new hires. From what I looked at earlier in the week about the OC, kinda run heavy with QBs not putting up interesting numbers. 

The OL guy was at UNC for a while. I need to see how far back the OL numbers I rely on go.

[ELA]

Looks like MSU alum Courtney Hawkins, who played in the NFL from 1992-2000, and is currently the head coach at Flint Beecher will be hired as WR coach.

There was some buzz about another MSU alum, Sedrick Irvin, who is currently a HS head coach in Florida, being the RB coach, but there's been no news on that front for days.

[ELA]

Looks like Jacub Panasiuk is not a fan of the coaching hire.  Tweeted that if coach Bullough wasn't retained, he was gone.  Took it down, but now removed MSU football player from his bio.

[ELA]

Looks like MSU alum Courtney Hawkins, who played in the NFL from 1992-2000, and is currently the head coach at Flint Beecher will be hired as WR coach.

Confirmed


https://twitter.com/MSU_Football/status/1230279820745101312?s=19

[Hawkinole]

Mel Tucker is worth $1.2M per year more than Dantonio. Boy, he must be a really good coach to be worth 25% more than Dantonio.
Plus, he built a provision into his contract to extend his contract by one year for each year MSU is placed on NCAA probation if based upon incident(s) occurring under the previous coaching staff.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/02/13/michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tuckers-contract-details/4752468002/

[Brutus Buckeye]

Sanctions, and a coach with a losing record. Sounds awesome.

Maybe it will be like a double negative, and become a positive.

[MrNubbz]

Hopefully for MSU it'll work out.But ya crazy to give 1.2 mil more per than the best Spartan coach since Duffy.Not that CMD is hurting for coin.So moving forward....

[ELA]

That's obviously not how things work.

Michigan had to pay Jim Harbaugh enough not to take an NFL job.

Ohio State is paying Ryan Day like a guy who had no previous coaching experience.

Bobby Bowden is one of the greatest coaches of all time.  So should MSU pay him $10 million a year right now?  Obviously not.  If you pay for what someone did, rather than what you think they will do, that's where you make terrible management decisions.

MSU was left coachless in February.  The guy who they thought took the job, changed his mind, so they had circle back to a guy they had "interviewed" while he openly knew he wasn't getting the job.  They had to give him the money to jump ship in February, and enough money to get assistants to do the same.

MSU is in a division with 3 of the biggest spenders in college football.  Even if they are overpaying now, the signal it sends is that they are taking it as seriously as UM, OSU and PSU.  The optics of that alone, in the eyes of assistants and recruits, helps make it worth it.  And it sends a signal to season ticket holders.  I personally know of three people who weren't planning on renewing their season tickets, who now are.  Did you see the crowds against Illinois?  Against Maryland?  The stadium was empty.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Saw a story Yesterday or Tuesday from the mom of the recruit that Dantonio said [under oath] that Curtis Blackwell stayed in the car and didn't go into the recruit's home...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2020/02/18/michigan-state-spartans-mark-dantonio-violate-ncaa-rules/4798101002/

Looks to me like he perjured himself. 

[MaximumSam]

Saw a story Yesterday or Tuesday from the mom of the recruit that Dantonio said [under oath] that Curtis Blackwell stayed in the car and didn't go into the recruit's home...


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state-university/2020/02/18/michigan-state-spartans-mark-dantonio-violate-ncaa-rules/4798101002/

Looks to me like he perjured himself.

I doubt it.  Typically perjury requires lying about something that matters, and it is tough for me to figure out how whether he was sitting in a car or house on some random recruiting trip is somehow relevant to the case.  

[bayareabadger]

That's obviously not how things work.

Michigan had to pay Jim Harbaugh enough not to take an NFL job.

Ohio State is paying Ryan Day like a guy who had no previous coaching experience.

Bobby Bowden is one of the greatest coaches of all time.  So should MSU pay him $10 million a year right now?  Obviously not.  If you pay for what someone did, rather than what you think they will do, that's where you make terrible management decisions.

MSU was left coachless in February.  The guy who they thought took the job, changed his mind, so they had circle back to a guy they had "interviewed" while he openly knew he wasn't getting the job.  They had to give him the money to jump ship in February, and enough money to get assistants to do the same.

MSU is in a division with 3 of the biggest spenders in college football.  Even if they are overpaying now, the signal it sends is that they are taking it as seriously as UM, OSU and PSU.  The optics of that alone, in the eyes of assistants and recruits, helps make it worth it.  And it sends a signal to season ticket holders.  I personally know of three people who weren't planning on renewing their season tickets, who now are.  Did you see the crowds against Illinois?  Against Maryland?  The stadium was empty.

The last part is interesting.

If you pay a person less, you’re not serious, that looks bad. It’ll turn on him in time unless they’re getting 9-3/10-2 somewhat often, I.e beating one of those three every couple seasons.

And if he does that, he gets paid more.

No wonder these departments can’t get a handle on buyouts.

[betarhoalphadelta]

I doubt it.  Typically perjury requires lying about something that matters, and it is tough for me to figure out how whether he was sitting in a car or house on some random recruiting trip is somehow relevant to the case. 

I am not a lawyer, but given that it was in a deposition about Blackwell's wrongful termination suit, if Blackwell was alleging that Dantonio was breaking NCAA guidelines by bringing him on recruiting visits and Dantonio denied it under oath, I'd say that's material to Blackwell's suit and therefore it matters.